$22,000.00 For An Amplifier

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Glenn Davis, Aug 22, 2003.

  1. Scott Dorsey

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >rstudio190@aol.com (Glenn Davis) wrote in
    >news:20030822223101.11674.00000373@mb-m11.aol.com:
    >
    >> Just call me Mr. Nostalgia ;-)
    >> This stuff is just as interesting:
    >>
    >> http://www.mothaudio.com

    >
    >Pardon the stupid question. Just what does one do with a 3 watt amp?


    Drive high efficiency horns.

    The Altec A-7 can fill an auditorium from the jack of a Walkman. Some
    of the high efficiency horns that the Japanese are big on for home use
    are almost in that same (115 dB/W at 1M) league.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
  2. Scott Dorsey

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    In article <Xns93E0D06DD6B9gulfjoehotmailcom@207.69.154.204>,
    Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >mothra666@aol.com (Fill X) wrote in
    >news:20030823194242.15568.00000425@mb-m12.aol.com:
    >
    >> you drive really effcient speakers. There's a whole group of people
    >> into the low-watt single-ended triode thing. A lot of them use horns
    >> or Lowthers.

    >
    >How big would a horn have to be to provide decent bass response?


    What is decent?

    Do a web search on "Altec A-7," "Altec X-1," "JBL Corner Horn" and
    "EV Patrician." I forget the name of the big Tannoy folded horn
    system but it was almost as big as the X-1.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
  3. Justin Ulysses Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:

    > Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote:


    > > Pardon the stupid question. Just what does one do with a 3 watt amp?


    > I guess you listen to music about 10dB quieter than a 30W amp. Or,
    > you listen at the same volume, and hear music with the transients
    > shaved off and lots of 2nd-harmonic distortion "sweetening" the music.


    Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.

    --
    hank alrich * secret mountain
    audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
    "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
  4. "LeBaron & Alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
    news:1g06pzl.1763575gk3omN%walkinay@thegrid.net...
    > Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.


    Your ears will bleed from either the level or the tone (or both)...
    -----------------
    Brad Blackwood
    www.euphonicmasters.com
  5. On 24 Aug 2003 09:57:46 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    >Do a web search on "Altec A-7," "Altec X-1," "JBL Corner Horn" and
    >"EV Patrician." I forget the name of the big Tannoy folded horn
    >system but it was almost as big as the X-1.


    GRF

    Kal
  6. Carey Carlan

    Carey Carlan Guest

    "Brad Blackwood" <bb@NOSPAMeuphonicmasters.com> wrote in
    news:O_42b.4916$sm2.2674@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com:

    > "LeBaron & Alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
    > news:1g06pzl.1763575gk3omN%walkinay@thegrid.net...
    >> Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.

    >
    > Your ears will bleed from either the level or the tone (or both)...


    But you can't get 3 watts from a 3 watt amplifier unless you're playing the
    latest pop hit. I'd expect even the Klipsch to require some headroom on
    loud parts with anything in the bass.

    My 1987 product guide lists a Klipshorn at 104 dB at 1 watt, 1 meter. My
    Altecs Model 19's are in that vicinity and, while my listening levels
    usually ride below 3 watts, there are moments when 300 is more like it.
  7. On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:47:07 -0500, "Brad Blackwood"
    <bb@NOSPAMeuphonicmasters.com> wrote:

    >"LeBaron & Alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
    >news:1g06pzl.1763575gk3omN%walkinay@thegrid.net...
    >> Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.

    >
    >Your ears will bleed from either the level or the tone (or both)...


    3 Watts gives 109dB SPL at 1 meter peaks from K-horns. The
    flip side of this is that 60 or 80 dB down from the full
    output of a big solid-state amplifier, where its output
    is dirty and noisy, is in the working range of K-horns.

    Folks who've only heard K-horns driven by big "modern"
    amplifiers complain, quite rightly, about tone quality.
    The important part of the amplifier's transfer characteristics,
    in the mid-70's dB SPL for example, is in the milliwatt
    range.

    And a good milliwatt amplifier does *not* come automatically
    from a good multiwatt amplifier. Often (usually) the opposite.
    Monotonicity is hard to get, sometimes leading to some
    strange solutions, like single-ended triode output amps.

    Chris Hornbeck
  8. steve

    steve Guest

    Nah, it looks like something the Evil Ming would use to torture Flash


    pH wrote:
    >
    > On 22 Aug 2003 16:13:20 GMT, rstudio190@aol.com (Glenn Davis) wrote:
    >
    > >$22,000.00 buys you a built to order (sold in monoblock pairs) 845 Electronluv.
    > >http://www.electronluv.com
    > >Interesting.

    >
    > That is some flipped out shit. Very cool, though, in a "this is Captain Nemo's
    > stereo" kinda way...
    >
    > Jeff
    >
    > http://www.jefftturner.com
  9. Scott Dorsey

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    LeBaron & Alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote:
    >Justin Ulysses Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:
    >> Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >> > Pardon the stupid question. Just what does one do with a 3 watt amp?

    >
    >> I guess you listen to music about 10dB quieter than a 30W amp. Or,
    >> you listen at the same volume, and hear music with the transients
    >> shaved off and lots of 2nd-harmonic distortion "sweetening" the music.

    >
    >Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.


    They make your music go straight ahead for ten miles and sound like it's
    coming through a telephone!
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
  10. Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    > LeBaron & Alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote:


    > >Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.


    > They make your music go straight ahead for ten miles and sound like it's
    > coming through a telephone!


    But it's loud enough, yeah? <g>

    I bought my first good tape decks, ReVox's, and first good mics, Beyers,
    and first decent monitors, JBL's, and first good amps, McIntoshes, back
    in the late '60's from Bill Case Sound in San Antonio, the city's
    audiophile joint. They had those horns in the corners of the main room,
    hooked to a McIntosh 2300 with that switchable metering to let full
    scale read 3, 30, or 300 watts per channel. The sales guy I dealt with,
    Bjorn something, showed me one day how loud the horns went when the
    needle hit 3 watts. Since I knew less than nothing I was at least
    impressed with the SPL, though it then meant "volume" to me.

    --
    ha
  11. "Chris Hornbeck" <guyville@removethisaristotle.net> wrote in message
    news:anqhkvsdkqgu9jmrcmrg5b1opogup5guhn@4ax.com...
    > Folks who've only heard K-horns driven by big "modern"
    > amplifiers complain, quite rightly, about tone quality.
    > The important part of the amplifier's transfer characteristics,
    > in the mid-70's dB SPL for example, is in the milliwatt
    > range.
    >
    > And a good milliwatt amplifier does *not* come automatically
    > from a good multiwatt amplifier. Often (usually) the opposite.
    > Monotonicity is hard to get, sometimes leading to some
    > strange solutions, like single-ended triode output amps.


    Used to sell them years ago and have heard them with big kilowatt amps as
    well as small tweako SE amps.

    They sounded terrible either way, imo.
    -----------------
    Brad Blackwood
    www.euphonicmasters.com
  12. >
    >Pardon the stupid question. Just what does one do with a 3 watt amp?
    >
    >


    A three watt tube amplifier driving a single speaker is juat about perfect for
    guitar in the studio.

    A pair of them would easily drive my JBL L300 home speakers to reasonable
    listening levels.
    Richard H. Kuschel
    "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
  13. Analogeezer

    Analogeezer Guest

    rstudio190@aol.com (Glenn Davis) wrote in message news:<20030822121320.10856.00000422@mb-m14.aol.com>...
    > $22,000.00 buys you a built to order (sold in monoblock pairs) 845 Electronluv.
    > http://www.electronluv.com
    > Interesting.
    >
    > Glenn Davis
    > "Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"


    Actually what I find really hilarious is the link to pictures that
    shows his recording studio, circa 2001.

    Front and center is a Mackie 8 bus. Now I'm not gonna say that's a
    total POS, but how you go from running a studio with one to building
    botique golden ears $22,000 power amps seems like a bit of a jump to
    me.

    Analogeezer
  14. Analogeezer

    Analogeezer Guest

    rstudio190@aol.com (Glenn Davis) wrote in message news:<20030822121320.10856.00000422@mb-m14.aol.com>...
    > $22,000.00 buys you a built to order (sold in monoblock pairs) 845 Electronluv.
    > http://www.electronluv.com
    > Interesting.
    >
    > Glenn Davis
    > "Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"


    The worst "botique" hi-fi thing I ever saw was this outfit that sold
    cables.

    $6,500 (YES SIX THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS) for a stereo, one meter
    interconnect cable with "gold plated" RCA jacks on either end.

    I guess this would make your Walmart CD player sound awesome...

    Analogeezer
  15. Arny Krueger

    Arny Krueger Guest

    "Analogeezer" <analogeezer@aerosolkings.com> wrote in message
    news:bfb37ea9.0308250633.45eddd6c@posting.google.com

    > rstudio190@aol.com (Glenn Davis) wrote in message
    > news:<20030822121320.10856.00000422@mb-m14.aol.com>...


    >> $22,000.00 buys you a built to order (sold in monoblock pairs) 845


    Note that it is sonically important to avoid indirectly-heated cathodes
    wherever possible.

    >> Electronluv. http://www.electronluv.com
    >> Interesting.


    > Actually what I find really hilarious is the link to pictures that
    > shows his recording studio, circa 2001.


    http://www.electronluv.com/images/gallery/studio.jpg

    > Front and center is a Mackie 8 bus. Now I'm not gonna say that's a
    > total POS, but how you go from running a studio with one to building
    > boutique golden ears $22,000 power amps seems like a bit of a jump to
    > me.


    How about the irony of the text "Hi Fi Vacuum Tube Equipment" at the top of
    the page and all the ICs & transistors we know are under the covers of the
    equipment he proudly shows.

    I guess we should *understand* that ICs and transistors in production
    equipment doesn't count towards sound quality at the listening end.
  16. Ben Bradley

    Ben Bradley Guest

    In rec.audio.pro, Chris Hornbeck <guyville@removethisaristotle.net>
    wrote:

    >On 22 Aug 2003 13:56:41 -0700, ben_nospam_bradley@mindspring.com (Ben
    >Bradley) wrote:
    >
    >> I see you're keeping abreast of the latest in audio technology.

    >
    >Truth being stranger than fact, an amplifier with a single 845
    >can sound pretty convincing.


    Sound quality and "the latest in audio technology" aside, I was
    trying to make an oblique comment about the physical design of this
    thing. It looks to me like something John Ashcroft would feel the need
    to throw a towel over.

    That pic again:

    http://www.electronluv.com

    Maybe the implication is that. for $22k, the BUYER is a boob...

    >I built two channels back in 1994
    >and still use that amp for all critical listening.
    >
    >And my poor old back being incapable of moving the blasted
    >thing is only *part* of the reason why.
    >
    >Chris Hornbeck
    >http://www.votetoimpeach.org/
    >
  17. Ben Bradley

    Ben Bradley Guest

    In rec.audio.pro, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote:

    >"Analogeezer" <analogeezer@aerosolkings.com> wrote in message


    >http://www.electronluv.com/images/gallery/studio.jpg
    >
    >> Front and center is a Mackie 8 bus. Now I'm not gonna say that's a
    >> total POS, but how you go from running a studio with one to building
    >> boutique golden ears $22,000 power amps seems like a bit of a jump to
    >> me.

    >
    >How about the irony of the text "Hi Fi Vacuum Tube Equipment" at the top of
    >the page and all the ICs & transistors we know are under the covers of the
    >equipment he proudly shows.
    >
    >I guess we should *understand* that ICs and transistors in production
    >equipment doesn't count towards sound quality at the listening end.


    Where was that Tube Console featuring (IIRC) hundreds of 12AX7's
    and forced-air cooling? It seems these two would be "matched
    components."
  18. Buster Mudd

    Buster Mudd Guest

    analogeezer@aerosolkings.com (Analogeezer) wrote in message news:<bfb37ea9.0308250633.45eddd6c@posting.google.com>...

    >
    > Actually what I find really hilarious is the link to pictures that
    > shows his recording studio, circa 2001.
    >
    > Front and center is a Mackie 8 bus. Now I'm not gonna say that's a
    > total POS, but how you go from running a studio with one to building
    > botique golden ears $22,000 power amps seems like a bit of a jump to
    > me.
    >


    I was recently involved in an "audiophile" system installation in the
    home of a senior VP for one of the (few remaining) big record labels.
    Guy spends $75,000 on a pair of speakers. Another $56,000 on a pair of
    monoblock power amps. $12,000 on cables to connect it all together.

    Then he has us burn his entire CD collection as 128kbps MP3 files so
    they can all fit on a single hard drive music server.
  19. HenryShap

    HenryShap Guest

    Well of course it's worth $22,000. It has tits, chrome tits!!!
  20. SoundCheck

    SoundCheck Guest

    mr_furious@mail.com (Buster Mudd) wrote in message news:<936ad1fd.0308260317.5cb7a01f@posting.google.com>...
    > analogeezer@aerosolkings.com (Analogeezer) wrote in message news:<bfb37ea9.0308250633.45eddd6c@posting.google.com>...
    >
    > >
    > > Actually what I find really hilarious is the link to pictures that
    > > shows his recording studio, circa 2001.
    > >
    > > Front and center is a Mackie 8 bus. Now I'm not gonna say that's a
    > > total POS, but how you go from running a studio with one to building
    > > botique golden ears $22,000 power amps seems like a bit of a jump to
    > > me.
    > >

    >
    > I was recently involved in an "audiophile" system installation in the
    > home of a senior VP for one of the (few remaining) big record labels.
    > Guy spends $75,000 on a pair of speakers. Another $56,000 on a pair of
    > monoblock power amps. $12,000 on cables to connect it all together.
    >
    > Then he has us burn his entire CD collection as 128kbps MP3 files so
    > they can all fit on a single hard drive music server.


    Did you point that out to him, or did you keep quiet - not wanting to
    disturb his "audiophile" mentality? I'd be curious to know how he
    reacted if you told him...

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