$22,000.00 For An Amplifier

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Glenn Davis, Aug 22, 2003.

  1. Buster Mudd

    Buster Mudd Guest

    johndoe156@hotmail.com (SoundCheck) wrote in message news:<2ce26f3a.0308261001.3a0081d9@posting.google.com>...
    > mr_furious@mail.com (Buster Mudd) wrote in message news:<936ad1fd.0308260317.5cb7a01f@posting.google.com>...
    > > analogeezer@aerosolkings.com (Analogeezer) wrote in message news:<bfb37ea9.0308250633.45eddd6c@posting.google.com>...
    > >
    > > >
    > > > Actually what I find really hilarious is the link to pictures that
    > > > shows his recording studio, circa 2001.
    > > >
    > > > Front and center is a Mackie 8 bus. Now I'm not gonna say that's a
    > > > total POS, but how you go from running a studio with one to building
    > > > botique golden ears $22,000 power amps seems like a bit of a jump to
    > > > me.
    > > >

    > >
    > > I was recently involved in an "audiophile" system installation in the
    > > home of a senior VP for one of the (few remaining) big record labels.
    > > Guy spends $75,000 on a pair of speakers. Another $56,000 on a pair of
    > > monoblock power amps. $12,000 on cables to connect it all together.
    > >
    > > Then he has us burn his entire CD collection as 128kbps MP3 files so
    > > they can all fit on a single hard drive music server.

    >
    > Did you point that out to him, or did you keep quiet - not wanting to
    > disturb his "audiophile" mentality? I'd be curious to know how he
    > reacted if you told him...



    I wasn't really in a position to present opinions directly to the
    client, just a cog in the machine on this gig. I made my feelings
    known to the project manager, who did what any savvy business person
    would: weighed that info against the clients' personality type &
    decided it was easier to Give Him What He Wants.
  2. Glenn Dowdy

    Glenn Dowdy Guest

    "Buster Mudd" <mr_furious@mail.com> wrote in message
    news:936ad1fd.0308261329.6667519b@posting.google.com...
    > I wasn't really in a position to present opinions directly to the
    > client, just a cog in the machine on this gig. I made my feelings
    > known to the project manager, who did what any savvy business person
    > would: weighed that info against the clients' personality type &
    > decided it was easier to Give Him What He Wants.


    What type of hard drive storage was it?

    Glenn D.
  3. John

    John Guest

    In article <rmQ2b.3340$Rq4.1175@news.cpqcorp.net>,
    "Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.dowdy@nospam.com> wrote:

    > "Buster Mudd" <mr_furious@mail.com> wrote in message
    > news:936ad1fd.0308261329.6667519b@posting.google.com...
    > > I wasn't really in a position to present opinions directly to the
    > > client, just a cog in the machine on this gig. I made my feelings
    > > known to the project manager, who did what any savvy business person
    > > would: weighed that info against the clients' personality type &
    > > decided it was easier to Give Him What He Wants.

    >
    > What type of hard drive storage was it?
    >
    > Glenn D.
    >
    >


    Buster should have had him audition different hard drives and interfaces
    and decide which one sounded the best.

    that could have been good for another $10,000.00
  4. Buster Mudd <mr_furious@mail.com> wrote:

    > Give Him What He Wants.


    Which in this case seems also to be what he needs. <g>

    --
    ha
  5. $22,000 isn't even close to the high price on some monoblocks.

    I saw oneriviewed in "The Absolute Sound" that was $55,000, but itwas
    something like 300 watts.

    If goofy opinions are your forte, reading that magazine is a hoot.
    Richard H. Kuschel
    "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
  6. Fill X

    Fill X Guest

    TAS was always too cork-sniffing for my taste. However, like many things I used
    to find it informitive in spite of itself.


    P h i l i p

    ______________________________

    "I'm too fucking busy and vice-versa"

    - Dorothy Parker
  7. On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:27:42 GMT, Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >How big would a horn have to be to provide decent bass response?


    For some big fun, catch:
    www.mkv.mh.se/personal/per/blackhole/audio


    Chris Hornbeck
  8. "Chris Hornbeck" wrote:
    >
    > For some big fun, catch:
    > www.mkv.mh.se/personal/per/blackhole/audio
    >


    While looking at those, I kept thinking "why? For what possible purpose
    would someone devote so much money, time and energy to building a whole room
    just to listen?"

    It *can't* be for electric popular music. There's just no way that could
    make sense, even to a crazy person.

    Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and cheaper just to get season tickets to the
    nearest world class Symphony/Opera/etc? Even if you live in the middle of
    nowhere, it has to be less hassle to just get a basic nice system for home
    listening and then fly to NY, London, Berlin or wherever every few weeks to
    get the real thing.

    -jw
  9. Mike Caffrey

    Mike Caffrey Guest

    In article <99v3b.64373$Sq.11292401@twister.nyc.rr.com>, "John Washburn"
    <johnwashburn99@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

    > "Chris Hornbeck" wrote:
    > >
    > > For some big fun, catch:
    > > www.mkv.mh.se/personal/per/blackhole/audio
    > >

    >
    > While looking at those, I kept thinking "why? For what possible purpose
    > would someone devote so much money, time and energy to building a whole room
    > just to listen?"
    >
    > It *can't* be for electric popular music. There's just no way that could
    > make sense, even to a crazy person.
    >
    > Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and cheaper just to get season tickets to the
    > nearest world class Symphony/Opera/etc? Even if you live in the middle of
    > nowhere, it has to be less hassle to just get a basic nice system for home
    > listening and then fly to NY, London, Berlin or wherever every few weeks to
    > get the real thing.
    >
    > -jw


    Some people have more money than free time.



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  10. P Stamler

    P Stamler Guest

    >Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and cheaper just to get season tickets to the
    >nearest world class Symphony/Opera/etc? Even if you live in the middle of
    >nowhere, it has to be less hassle to just get a basic nice system for home
    >listening and then fly to NY, London, Berlin or wherever every few weeks to
    >get the real thing.


    Sure. But then you can't listen to Toscanini, Reiner, Gilels...

    Peace,
    Paul
  11. Scott Dorsey

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    P Stamler <pstamler@aol.com> wrote:
    >>Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and cheaper just to get season tickets to the
    >>nearest world class Symphony/Opera/etc? Even if you live in the middle of
    >>nowhere, it has to be less hassle to just get a basic nice system for home
    >>listening and then fly to NY, London, Berlin or wherever every few weeks to
    >>get the real thing.

    >
    >Sure. But then you can't listen to Toscanini, Reiner, Gilels...


    But I can already hear the NBC engineer riding gain on those Toscanini
    recordings as it is... I think I'll take the local conductor at the Richmond
    Symphony instead.
    --scott

    Just leave the damn knob ALONE, please.
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
  12. P Stamler wrote:

    > John Washburn wrote:
    > >Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and cheaper just to get season tickets to

    the
    > >nearest world class Symphony/Opera/etc? Even if you live in the middle of
    > >nowhere, it has to be less hassle to just get a basic nice system for

    home
    > >listening and then fly to NY, London, Berlin or wherever every few weeks

    to
    > >get the real thing.

    >
    > Sure. But then you can't listen to Toscanini, Reiner, Gilels...
    >


    Well, that's what yer basic nice system (whatever that means to you) is for.
    And as Scott sort of pointed out, many of those classic recordings have
    technical problems which are revealed by comparatively modest systems.

    After a certain point, what does one's playback system really need to do? If
    you really care about the *music*, and you're listening carefully to
    acoustic music, then it seems like any reproduction system, no matter how
    fancy, is going to come in second to the experience of actually being there.
    So, my point was: wouldn't it ultimately be easier to just go to the source
    for a totally realistic listening experience?

    Even if you don't live anywhere near a world class symphony, it would
    probably be less resource intensive to fly to a city with one from time to
    time than it would be to build one of these ultra high-end fetishized
    audiophile monuments to sonic voodoo.

    -jw
  13. Fill X

    Fill X Guest

    well, stereo is a hobby too. Vinyl is particularly oriented for the
    fetishistic. I go hear live music, and I spend money on my stereo so i can
    listen to my record collection. At the point where I start listening to the
    *sound* of music rather than music, hopefully I'll stop. But just to be fair,
    think about what a recording facillity costs. Some people can't fathom 7000
    dollars on one microphone., but it's like anything, once you make some music
    with it , it's priceless.

    I've really enjoyed my stereo habit, it makes listening to music that much
    nicer and i listen to music a lot. Some people spend 100 grand on a car because
    they like to drive. I don't even own a car.


    P h i l i p

    ______________________________

    "I'm too fucking busy and vice-versa"

    - Dorothy Parker
  14. John Washburn <johnwashburn99@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

    > While looking at those, I kept thinking "why? For what possible purpose
    > would someone devote so much money, time and energy to building a whole room
    > just to listen?"
    >
    > It *can't* be for electric popular music. There's just no way that could
    > make sense, even to a crazy person.
    >
    > Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and cheaper just to get season tickets to the
    > nearest world class Symphony/Opera/etc?


    Come on. Everybody I know who's impressed by this kind of crap spends
    their time listening to the MOFI issues of the Alan Parsons Project and
    a bunch of other thoroughly boring crap. These people hate music.

    They listen to their stereos, not their records.

    ulysses
  15. John Washburn <johnwashburn99@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

    > Even if you don't live anywhere near a world class symphony, it would
    > probably be less resource intensive to fly to a city with one from time to
    > time than it would be to build one of these ultra high-end fetishized
    > audiophile monuments to sonic voodoo.


    <j>

    Firstly, there's the situation where nobody is playing what you want to
    hear this week, and secondly, if one is spending that kind of money for
    entertainment, who's giving a shit about "resource intensive"?

    </j>

    --
    ha

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