Academia, is it really worth it?

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  1. * réprouvé *

    * réprouvé * What She Said Staff Member Super Mod

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    Ok so this morning at 6:30am (struggling to get out of bed and get ready for college...Oh can you feel the enthusiasm? :exasper: ) I was pondering on what I should do next year, education wise.
    Wondering whether to retake some AS levels again, or go straight onto my A2's, or start some new AS's.
    At the end of the day, you could just stay in education for the whole of your life, doing A levels, then your first degree, then another then a PHD (or something)

    But is it all worth it?

    Will getting a billion qualifications really make you more able to get a better job and open all the doors teachers and whoever make out that they do? Obviously it will if you want to do something specialised, but if you don't, can't you just work your way up the ladder and will all these qualifications give you a better quality of life in the long run?

    I don't think so :damn:

    Is all this education until you're about 25 or even older necessary or even really worth it? Or should you just have fun and live life and just 'get by'?
    :confuzzle
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  2. Pol

    Pol Stuck on the M1 <img src="images/smilies/shakehead Staff Member Super Mod

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    It's really all down to how much you want it reprouve....true you'll probably be broke for the duration of your stay at university unless you've rich parents.
    I personally never went to college because

    1. My parents couldn't afford to send me and i wasn't eligible for a grant.
    2. I hated school with a passion...the only subjects that even remotely interested me were history and computers, so i wasn't going to prolong the agony by spending 4-5 years at college.

    I suppose the irony is that i'm now working with food scientists who spent 4 yrs at university whereas i qualified when i was older and had a clearer idea of what i wanted. You don't seem too happy with what you're doing so just ask yourself

    Do i want to be miserable for the next 4+ yrs ? (even though there's a good qualification at the end of it)

    What are my alternatives ?. Can i get a job to provide me with a decent living and maybe go back to college at night when i feel the time is right ?

    It's really your call lass....i think there's benefits with either way but it's down to what you want most.

    Good luck with whatever you do :)
  3. Luiza*Cunha

    Luiza*Cunha Charmed Trainee with Goa'uld inside! Staff Member Super Mod

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    All I can offer you is my personal experience, réprouvé.
    I went to college and I have two graduations: engineering and management. I even have a couple of lato sensu courses in my curriculum! And guess what! I ended up working and making VERY GOOD money with this little bit of English I learned when I was a teen... :rolleyes2
    I could say that now, after many years, I am taking some kind of advantage of my studies... although still not using the knowledge I acquired by going to college but my "titles". ;)
  4. * réprouvé *

    * réprouvé * What She Said Staff Member Super Mod

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    I think this is what I want to do, thanks Pol, I'l go quit colllege right now :thumbsup:
    Seriously though...thats what I've been considering.
    Thank you :) :kiss:

    Well done to you Luiza! :)
    So you didn't necessarily use the things you studied at college then?

    But I'm a darn hard worker! And I love my job at the minute, I try my very hardest and I think I'm good at what I do (and very passionate, which is good in the company I work for) it's the kind of thing that would make me want to leave college and work my way up in that company, get a promotion etc. :)

    What about some other people? Anyone else gone back to academic work later in life and just enjoyed themselves in their late teens - early twenties?
    Or, anyone got their qualifications early in life then gone straight on to get a really good job and thought it was well worth it?
    Please share :)
  5. Pol

    Pol Stuck on the M1 <img src="images/smilies/shakehead Staff Member Super Mod

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    I assume you're joking now.....all i'm saying is weigh up the pro's and con's of both sides and see what you come up with. Don't go to college if you're doing it mainly to keep other people happy....then again don't discard it and go straight into a job just so you can go on a 4 year bender...there'll be plenty of time for that.

    I went back and did computers and Food Science in my late twenties. I work in a Lab for a multinational company now and teach computers part time at night....not bad for someone with no college education. It worked for me reprouve but i was in a different situation than you so have a good think about it ok :)
  6. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    Okay, I'll play. I never had problems in school and found it easy. I went to college straight from high school, took placement exams so that I was never a freshman, and finished my electrical engineering degree in 3 years. I graduated college at 21 and got my first job, which had little to do with EE (I work in software, NASA simulation software at that time). I've never been sorry about any of it.

    I briefly considered getting an MBA (that's a master's in business), but thought better of it while still in college. I really had and have absolutely no interest in management.

    Now, my wife also worked in software, but tired of it after 10 years or so. Now she's going back to school in biology.

    The bottom line seems to be: do what you enjoy, but consider your future. An investment now may pay off later.

    Ah, I have another story, with an unresolved ending. Our previous neighbor's daughter is a good family friend. She went to college, but dropped out temporarily in the middle, mainly to work at a full time job. Later, she planned to go back and finish, but had difficulty getting all her credits straightened out and also had some troubles with enrollment. Anyway, she didn't go back, got a job in Iraq, made lots of money, but now is done there and must come back to the US and face the job market with only part of her degree. I'm not sure it was the best choice for her, all things told.
  7. * réprouvé *

    * réprouvé * What She Said Staff Member Super Mod

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    No not at all :D


    Wow....I think thats what I'l do too then...




    What? I don't have selective hearing at all :shifty:
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  8. * réprouvé *

    * réprouvé * What She Said Staff Member Super Mod

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    Ok so I'l be serious now. :rolleyes2

    Omgggggggg......NASA simulation software? You must be super intelligent.....and loaded :wow:
    BUT you didn't use your college education? See :rolleyes2 So it CAN be done, was it difficult though? Working your way up that ladder or just getting a job in that kind of area to begin with when you had taken education in something completely different?

    I very muchly agree :) thats always the best option.


    ........................:D
    ...........................:damn: :exasper:
  9. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    Now, now...
    The money is good now, but then... :rolleyes2
    consider that NASA pay government contractors, often the minimum bidders, and must enlist the aid of Congress to supply funding for their projects...
    I was never loaded when I worked for NASA subcontractors...

    I do not hesitate to amend... my engineering education was ESSENTIAL for obtaining the Space Shuttle job, and later for establishing myself as something other than "yet another mere programmer geek". Programming money is okay, but the real dough is in the brainiac positions...

    Ask Lu...

    :smart: :smart: :smart:

    As for actually utilizing what you learn in college...
    If you decide to continue in college, take courses, especially elective courses, that interest you in general, whether they apply to your degree program or not. It will make your education rounder and probably will help you along the line later.

    I am interested in Physics and Music, in addition to my professional subjects, but did not figure on being employed in those areas. So they are my outside work passions, and that works fine for me. :)
  10. * réprouvé *

    * réprouvé * What She Said Staff Member Super Mod

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    As if that is soooooo what I've done! I just chose subjects which weren't job specific and I chose subject from opposite ends of the spectrum i.e. biology + art
    These are my two favourite subjects (although my heart lies with art....I'm an Art Tart :rolleyes2 )
    Because I figured this shows that I can turn my hand to a number of very different things, figured it might be appealing to an employer!


    Come on dont lie :smart:
    What now? I need to stay at college. I didn't understand a word you just said lol :shifty:
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  11. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    Indeed!

    Have you any art for sharing, Ms. Tart? :) :D :)
  12. * réprouvé *

    * réprouvé * What She Said Staff Member Super Mod

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    You cheeky sod! lol

    And I don't I'm afraid...its all tucked away safely in a sketch book, portfolio, college, or under my bed :D

    and I don't like sharing stuff like that anywho....it seems a bit pretentious...kinda


    Don't you think?


    But to give you an idea, I love Giger...he's my favourite, I love working with metals and dark materials and such alike in my work at college or at home like he does. I love the eery feel of his work, and the way he mixes science fiction with erotic or very very graphic imagery, I love that contrast.
    Thats the kind of thing I like doing and the kind of thing I would like to do in the future, as I'd love to become a free-lance sculptor
    :)
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  13. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    So we've got some pretentious gits hereabouts then...

    like this one...
    or this one...
    yet another...
    or mebbe someone like this...

    :laugh:

    Actually, I find sharing to be one of the rewarding parts of doing something artistic, although I admit that it's easier through the anonymity of the internet...
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    * réprouvé * What She Said Staff Member Super Mod

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    Oh no now I feel bad! I didn't mean it that way

    and by the way lol ! The first link you added was my best friends work :lmao:

    I just don't like showing off my art work, but the main reason is because I don't have a scanner lol if I did have one then you may be in luck. So keep your fingers crossed, I might scan some of my junk at college when I have access to a scanner :D
  15. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    No worries, lady. ;) All tongue-in-cheek...

    I know, why do you think I put it first?! :laugh:

    We all look forward to the day with fingers and toes all a-crossed! :wiggle:
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    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    But that last link I find particularly pretentious!
    Don't you agree?

    :assskake:
  17. * réprouvé *

    * réprouvé * What She Said Staff Member Super Mod

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    Yes I must agree :exasper:
    Just kidding :D

    But at least that one didn't have nekid girlies in it :eek: :OHNO:
    Well apparently I had a girlfriend at some point so I don't know why I'm hiding, I think one needs to revise their sources Zel :rolleyes2
  18. Pol

    Pol Stuck on the M1 <img src="images/smilies/shakehead Staff Member Super Mod

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    Oh come on reprouve stop pretending you're shy....start posting some pictures or me and Zel will start a new thread about you :evil: ....and things could get medieval around here :moon:
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    * réprouvé * What She Said Staff Member Super Mod

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    Medieval?
    Come on....I'm young....as if I'd know what that is :rolleyes2


    I'm telling you I have no scanner I swear....on anything, I'm telling the truth :D


    And what do you reackon you could possibly put in this thread which would make me blush? Or worse? :eek:
    You wouldn't.........you're not brave enough :p
  20. Luiza*Cunha

    Luiza*Cunha Charmed Trainee with Goa'uld inside! Staff Member Super Mod

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    réprouvé = [​IMG]

    I bet all she needs is some... spanking! :p :)

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