Advice for Tele pickups?

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by marc silva, Aug 3, 2003.

  1. marc silva

    marc silva Guest

    Hello,
    I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking for a
    fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make any
    recommendations.


    Thanks,

    Marc
  2. Nunya Bidni

    Nunya Bidni Guest

    "marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    news:aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > Hello,
    > I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking for a
    > fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make any
    > recommendations.
    >
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Marc


    Depends on how much money your want to spend.

    I have Bardens in my Tele Plus and I have the stock G&L "Magnetic Field"
    pickups in my ASAT. The Bardens are expensive ($200+ a set) and I don't
    know anywhere short of EBay you'll be able to find the G&L pickups.

    Some people really like the Texas Specials. Others swear by Bill Lawrence.
    Others use Kinmans and still more use Rio Grandes. Your best bet is to take
    a Saturday and go to a shop that has a bunch of new+used Teles, play them
    and use the experience to figure out what you like. Hope this helps.

    -nyb
  3. JmsDvd

    JmsDvd Guest

    I use Rio Grande in my James Burton model....good pickups
  4. proletariat

    proletariat Guest

    "marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    news:aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > Hello,
    > I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking for a
    > fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make any
    > recommendations.
    >
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Marc
    >
    >


    For the neck pickup on a Tele, many folks say that the lindy fralin Blues
    Special is as good as it gets. they run ~$80
  5. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    "marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

    >Hello,
    >I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking for a
    >fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make any
    >recommendations.
    >

    Bill Lawrence's L-290TL in
    the bridge and L-280TN in
    the neck would be my
    choice for an MIM Tele --
    they sound huge, don't hum,
    cost only $40 apiece, and
    hold their resale value
    better than any other brand
    on the market afaik.


    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
  6. kwells

    kwells Guest

    "marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
    > Hello,
    > I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking for a
    > fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make any
    > recommendations.
    >
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Marc



    I put a Tex-Mex Strat pickup in the neck of my '87 MIJ Squier Tele and
    it sounds much fuller (still has the stock bridge pickup). Of course
    you'd have to enlarge the pickup cavity to install one of these.

    If you want to try Bill Lawrence pickups, be sure to look into the
    Black Label pickups by the folks at www.billlawrenceusa.com. These
    were used by Tele master Roy Buchanon in one of his Teles.

    (BTW - I do not work for, and have never worked for, ANY musical
    instrument related company.)
  7. "kwells" <kwells@kdsi.net> wrote in message
    news:632ede44.0308080541.265298e6@posting.google.com...
    > "marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

    news:<aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
    > > Hello,
    > > I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking for

    a
    > > fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make any
    > > recommendations.
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Marc

    >
    >
    > I put a Tex-Mex Strat pickup in the neck of my '87 MIJ Squier Tele and
    > it sounds much fuller (still has the stock bridge pickup). Of course
    > you'd have to enlarge the pickup cavity to install one of these.
    >
    > If you want to try Bill Lawrence pickups, be sure to look into the
    > Black Label pickups by the folks at www.billlawrenceusa.com. These
    > were used by Tele master Roy Buchanon in one of his Teles.
    >
    > (BTW - I do not work for, and have never worked for, ANY musical
    > instrument related company.)


    There's a certain 'netkook' (just kidding, dewd) on this board that
    recommends the John Suhr Tele pickups. I have a set of Joe Bardens in
    mine...not quite as much 'twang', but it's still there alright, NO noise and
    higher output...I like 'em...alot...;+)
  8. Richard

    Richard Guest

    rwbarker@spambegonecox.net wrote...

    > There's a certain 'netkook'


    Shut up.

    > (just kidding, dewd)


    ....oh. Nevermind. :)

    --
    For email, put NOT SPAM in Subject or I'll probably miss it.
    <><
  9. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:

    >"marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
    >> Hello,
    >> I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking for a
    >> fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make any
    >> recommendations.
    >>
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >>
    >> Marc

    >
    >
    >I put a Tex-Mex Strat pickup in the neck of my '87 MIJ Squier Tele and
    >it sounds much fuller (still has the stock bridge pickup). Of course
    >you'd have to enlarge the pickup cavity to install one of these.
    >
    >If you want to try Bill Lawrence pickups, be sure to look into the
    >Black Label pickups by the folks at www.billlawrenceusa.com. These
    >were used by Tele master Roy Buchanon in one of his Teles.


    The junk sold by this
    incompetent is *not*
    anywhere near what
    Roy Buchanan actually
    used. Roy's pickups
    were built under BL's
    personal supervision
    and were of excellent
    quality, while this
    guy's attempt to
    reproduce BL's work
    would embarass anyone
    who had a conscience.

    Moreover, BL's current
    L-280 / L-290 series
    is a much more refined
    and advanced design
    than the Black Label
    pickups -- not only
    that, they actually
    cost *less*! Btw, the
    www.billlawrenceusa.com
    junk cannot be sold on
    eBay due to registered
    mark infringement and
    and have no real resale
    value -- so, if you
    don't like them (and
    you probably won't when
    you see their shoddy
    materials and amateur
    workmanship up close)
    you'll have pretty much
    have flushed your money
    down the loo. On the
    other hand, BL's
    current stuff generally
    fetches 90-100% of it's
    original price on eBay.
    >
    >(BTW - I do not work for, and have never worked for, ANY musical
    >instrument related company.)


    That's a good thing,
    because if you think the
    www.billlawrenceusa.com
    stuff is worth buying
    then you have no idea of
    what quality is. :-(


    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
  10. kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:

    >"marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
    >> Hello,
    >> I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking

    for a
    >> fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make

    any
    >> recommendations.
    >>
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >>
    >> Marc

    >
    >
    >I put a Tex-Mex Strat pickup in the neck of my '87 MIJ Squier Tele

    and
    >it sounds much fuller (still has the stock bridge pickup). Of course
    >you'd have to enlarge the pickup cavity to install one of these.


    The idea of putting a Stratocaster pickup in the neck spot of a
    Telecaster is a good one (as per greats like Jerry Donahue and the
    late Clarence White), but the Tex-Mex would not be my choice because
    it's overwound and that severely limits its tonal possibilities.
    Fender's '57/'62 is imo a much better and far more versatile pickup,
    ymmv.
    >
    >If you want to try Bill Lawrence pickups, be sure to look into the
    >Black Label pickups by the folks at www.billlawrenceusa.com. These
    >were used by Tele master Roy Buchanon in one of his Teles.


    The junk sold by this incompetent is _not_ anywhere near what Roy
    Buchanan actually used. Roy's pickups were built under BL's personal
    supervision and were of excellent quality, while this guy's attempt to
    reproduce BL's work would embarass anyone who had a conscience.

    Moreover, BL's current L-280 / L-290 series is a much more refined and
    advanced design than the old Black Label pickups -- not only that,
    they actually cost *less*! Btw, the <www.billlawrenceusa.com> junk
    cannot be sold on eBay due to registered mark infringement and have
    almost no resale value -- so, if you don't like them (and you probably
    won't when you see their shoddy materials and amateur workmanship up
    close) you'll have pretty much have flushed your money down the loo.
    On the other hand, BL's current stuff (from <www.billlawrence.com>)
    generally fetches 90-100% of its original price on eBay.
    >
    >(BTW - I do not work for, and have never worked for, ANY musical
    >instrument related company.)


    That's a good thing, because if you think the
    <www.billlawrenceusa.com> dreck is worth buying then you have no idea
    of what quality is. :-(
  11. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    Looks like somebody else
    doesn't like my narrow
    columns even if they
    apparently agree with me!
    :)

    worldlifter@my-deja.com (Atlas M. Schacter) wrote:

    >kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:
    >
    >>"marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
    >>> Hello,
    >>> I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking

    >for a
    >>> fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make

    >any
    >>> recommendations.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Thanks,
    >>>
    >>> Marc

    >>
    >>
    >>I put a Tex-Mex Strat pickup in the neck of my '87 MIJ Squier Tele

    >and
    >>it sounds much fuller (still has the stock bridge pickup). Of course
    >>you'd have to enlarge the pickup cavity to install one of these.

    >
    >The idea of putting a Stratocaster pickup in the neck spot of a
    >Telecaster is a good one (as per greats like Jerry Donahue and the
    >late Clarence White), but the Tex-Mex would not be my choice because
    >it's overwound and that severely limits its tonal possibilities.
    >Fender's '57/'62 is imo a much better and far more versatile pickup,
    >ymmv.
    >>
    >>If you want to try Bill Lawrence pickups, be sure to look into the
    >>Black Label pickups by the folks at www.billlawrenceusa.com. These
    >>were used by Tele master Roy Buchanon in one of his Teles.

    >
    >The junk sold by this incompetent is _not_ anywhere near what Roy
    >Buchanan actually used. Roy's pickups were built under BL's personal
    >supervision and were of excellent quality, while this guy's attempt to
    >reproduce BL's work would embarass anyone who had a conscience.
    >
    >Moreover, BL's current L-280 / L-290 series is a much more refined and
    >advanced design than the old Black Label pickups -- not only that,
    >they actually cost *less*! Btw, the <www.billlawrenceusa.com> junk
    >cannot be sold on eBay due to registered mark infringement and have
    >almost no resale value -- so, if you don't like them (and you probably
    >won't when you see their shoddy materials and amateur workmanship up
    >close) you'll have pretty much have flushed your money down the loo.
    >On the other hand, BL's current stuff (from <www.billlawrence.com>)
    >generally fetches 90-100% of its original price on eBay.
    >>
    >>(BTW - I do not work for, and have never worked for, ANY musical
    >>instrument related company.)

    >
    >That's a good thing, because if you think the
    ><www.billlawrenceusa.com> dreck is worth buying then you have no idea
    >of what quality is. :-(



    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
  12. As Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com> so eloquently put:
    [] Looks like somebody else
    [] doesn't like my narrow
    [] columns even if they
    [] apparently agree with me!
    [] :)

    Bob, that's some pretty
    strange haiku. Try this.

    Bob's narrow columns
    forty column monitor?
    thing of the past dewd!

    perhaps something else
    accessability thing?
    I'm hip--carry on.

    Chris

    --
    "My current strat is actually a hollow tele."
    -- Fabio
    Remove X's from my email address above to reply
    [These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]
  13. kwells

    kwells Guest

    kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote in message news:<632ede44.0308080541.265298e6@posting.google.com>...
    > "marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
    > > Hello,
    > > I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking for a
    > > fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make any
    > > recommendations.
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Marc

    >
    >
    > I put a Tex-Mex Strat pickup in the neck of my '87 MIJ Squier Tele and
    > it sounds much fuller (still has the stock bridge pickup). Of course
    > you'd have to enlarge the pickup cavity to install one of these.
    >
    > If you want to try Bill Lawrence pickups, be sure to look into the
    > Black Label pickups by the folks at www.billlawrenceusa.com. These
    > were used by Tele master Roy Buchanon in one of his Teles.
    >
    > (BTW - I do not work for, and have never worked for, ANY musical
    > instrument related company.)


    You might also try the L-250 pickups by the www.billlawrenceusa.com
    folks. These are single-coil size humbuckers, with a single blade
    instead of pole pieces. They are quiet like humbuckers but brighter
    sounding. They have one that fits a Tele bridge but the neck pickup
    would have to be Strat sized. I've used these for years in a Strat
    copy and everyone who hears them agrees that they sound great.
  14. Bluesview

    Bluesview Guest

    These are not the Bill Lawrence pickups people like and talk about on this
    news group. The Bill Lawrence pickups you want or on >>>>>>>>>>>>
    www.billlawrence.com <<<<<<<<<<<<< Don't be fooled.

    Parker

    "kwells" <kwells@kdsi.net> wrote in message
    news:632ede44.0308120428.74c7f125@posting.google.com...
    > kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote in message

    news:<632ede44.0308080541.265298e6@posting.google.com>...
    > > "marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

    news:<aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
    > > > Hello,
    > > > I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking

    for a
    > > > fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make

    any
    > > > recommendations.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Thanks,
    > > >
    > > > Marc

    > >
    > >
    > > I put a Tex-Mex Strat pickup in the neck of my '87 MIJ Squier Tele and
    > > it sounds much fuller (still has the stock bridge pickup). Of course
    > > you'd have to enlarge the pickup cavity to install one of these.
    > >
    > > If you want to try Bill Lawrence pickups, be sure to look into the
    > > Black Label pickups by the folks at www.billlawrenceusa.com. These
    > > were used by Tele master Roy Buchanon in one of his Teles.
    > >
    > > (BTW - I do not work for, and have never worked for, ANY musical
    > > instrument related company.)

    >
    > You might also try the L-250 pickups by the www.billlawrenceusa.com
    > folks. These are single-coil size humbuckers, with a single blade
    > instead of pole pieces. They are quiet like humbuckers but brighter
    > sounding. They have one that fits a Tele bridge but the neck pickup
    > would have to be Strat sized. I've used these for years in a Strat
    > copy and everyone who hears them agrees that they sound great.
  15. Nil

    Nil Guest

    On 12 Aug 2003, "Bluesview" <bluesview@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in
    news:_T8_a.127965$Ho3.15983@sccrnsc03:

    > These are not the Bill Lawrence pickups people like and talk about
    > on this news group. The Bill Lawrence pickups you want or on
    > >>>>>>>>>>>> www.billlawrence.com <<<<<<<<<<<<< Don't be fooled.


    Ethical questions aside, do the ones from billlawrenceusa sound bad?
  16. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Nil" <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message

    > > These are not the Bill Lawrence pickups people like and

    talk about
    > > on this news group. The Bill Lawrence pickups you want

    or on
    > > >>>>>>>>>>>> www.billlawrence.com <<<<<<<<<<<<< Don't

    be fooled.
    >
    > Ethical questions aside, do the ones from billlawrenceusa

    sound bad?

    They don't sound like Bill Lawrence pickups. "Bad" in in
    the ear of the beerholder. I've never heard any positive
    comments about them.
  17. Nil

    Nil Guest

    On 12 Aug 2003, "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in
    news:3f3929aa$1@shknews01:

    > They don't sound like Bill Lawrence pickups. "Bad" in in
    > the ear of the beerholder. I've never heard any positive
    > comments about them.


    But I wonder if they really sound unlike Bill Lawrence pickups. I used
    to have a Lawrence pickup in my Strat in the late '70s. It was a
    humbucking design (I think) with a single blade across the length of
    the pickup... it looked much like the L-250 I see on the "false"
    Lawrence web site. The L-250 that the REAL Bill Lawrence sells has 2
    blades. So, I wonder if the evil bill lawrence pickup might sound
    closer to the one I used to have, which I loved at the time.

    This is all academic. I have bought several pickups from the real Bill
    in the past few years, and have been totally satisfied with their
    products and the way they do business. I would avoid doing business
    with a company that steals another man's name and tries to fool their
    customers into thinking they were buying something they're not.
  18. kwells

    kwells Guest

    Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93D5CF9CC7945nilch1@204.127.204.17>...
    > On 12 Aug 2003, "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in
    > news:3f3929aa$1@shknews01:
    >
    > > They don't sound like Bill Lawrence pickups. "Bad" in in
    > > the ear of the beerholder. I've never heard any positive
    > > comments about them.

    >
    > But I wonder if they really sound unlike Bill Lawrence pickups. I used
    > to have a Lawrence pickup in my Strat in the late '70s. It was a
    > humbucking design (I think) with a single blade across the length of
    > the pickup... it looked much like the L-250 I see on the "false"
    > Lawrence web site. The L-250 that the REAL Bill Lawrence sells has 2
    > blades. So, I wonder if the evil bill lawrence pickup might sound
    > closer to the one I used to have, which I loved at the time.


    FYI - The single bladed pickup you had in the late 70's was either an
    L-220 or an L-250 which was basically an updated version of the L-220.
    In "Guitar Electronics for Musicians" the L-250 is described as an
    "attenuated flux version of the L-220". By 1983 the L-220 was not
    listed in the catalog anymore - just the L-250.

    Bill designed both of these back when his company was called Lawrence
    Sound Research. Bill has not been with the company since '84 but it
    has been in business ever since, is still owned by one of the original
    partners, and the name has been changed to Bill Lawrence Guitar
    Pickups. I own an L-250 made back when Bill was still with the
    company and several made since then (one was even bought from
    Stew-Mac) and they ALL sound the same, so I know they still make them
    like they used to.

    The L-250's sound fantastic. They are quiet, warm (but brighter than
    regular humbuckers) and full of tone. I play Kenny Burrell-style
    jazz, blues, classic rock and Santana-style latin and they sound great
    for each style. You'll even find good reviews of them on Bill's Forum
    - there are a couple of threads about his single-bladed pickups on
    there.

    > This is all academic. I have bought several pickups from the real Bill
    > in the past few years, and have been totally satisfied with their
    > products and the way they do business. I would avoid doing business
    > with a company that steals another man's name and tries to fool their
    > customers into thinking they were buying something they're not.


    The Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickups company isn't fooling anyone anymore
    than the Fender company fooled people after Leo was no longer
    involved. The confusion comes from Bills prominent use of the "Bill
    Lawrence" name in ads for his "Wilde" pickups. (Guitar history would
    really be confusing if Leo had continued to use "Fender" in large
    print in ads for his Music Man or G&L products!)
  19. Bluesview

    Bluesview Guest

    "kwells" <kwells@kdsi.net> wrote in message
    news:632ede44.0308130502.27b7ac94@posting.google.com...
    > Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message

    news:<Xns93D5CF9CC7945nilch1@204.127.204.17>...
    > > On 12 Aug 2003, "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in
    > > news:3f3929aa$1@shknews01:
    > >
    > > > They don't sound like Bill Lawrence pickups. "Bad" in in
    > > > the ear of the beerholder. I've never heard any positive
    > > > comments about them.

    > >
    > > But I wonder if they really sound unlike Bill Lawrence pickups. I used
    > > to have a Lawrence pickup in my Strat in the late '70s. It was a
    > > humbucking design (I think) with a single blade across the length of
    > > the pickup... it looked much like the L-250 I see on the "false"
    > > Lawrence web site. The L-250 that the REAL Bill Lawrence sells has 2
    > > blades. So, I wonder if the evil bill lawrence pickup might sound
    > > closer to the one I used to have, which I loved at the time.

    >
    > FYI - The single bladed pickup you had in the late 70's was either an
    > L-220 or an L-250 which was basically an updated version of the L-220.
    > In "Guitar Electronics for Musicians" the L-250 is described as an
    > "attenuated flux version of the L-220". By 1983 the L-220 was not
    > listed in the catalog anymore - just the L-250.
    >
    > Bill designed both of these back when his company was called Lawrence
    > Sound Research. Bill has not been with the company since '84 but it
    > has been in business ever since, is still owned by one of the original
    > partners, and the name has been changed to Bill Lawrence Guitar
    > Pickups. I own an L-250 made back when Bill was still with the
    > company and several made since then (one was even bought from
    > Stew-Mac) and they ALL sound the same, so I know they still make them
    > like they used to.
    >
    > The L-250's sound fantastic. They are quiet, warm (but brighter than
    > regular humbuckers) and full of tone. I play Kenny Burrell-style
    > jazz, blues, classic rock and Santana-style latin and they sound great
    > for each style. You'll even find good reviews of them on Bill's Forum
    > - there are a couple of threads about his single-bladed pickups on
    > there.
    >
    > > This is all academic. I have bought several pickups from the real Bill
    > > in the past few years, and have been totally satisfied with their
    > > products and the way they do business. I would avoid doing business
    > > with a company that steals another man's name and tries to fool their
    > > customers into thinking they were buying something they're not.

    >
    > The Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickups company isn't fooling anyone anymore
    > than the Fender company fooled people after Leo was no longer
    > involved. The confusion comes from Bills prominent use of the "Bill
    > Lawrence" name in ads for his "Wilde" pickups. (Guitar history would
    > really be confusing if Leo had continued to use "Fender" in large
    > print in ads for his Music Man or G&L products!)


    Not confusing. He used his first name instead of his last at G&L. And
    neither at MusicMan.

    Parker
  20. JmsDvd

    JmsDvd Guest

    just my opinion.......I use Rio Grande pups in my James Burton and have had
    many compliments on the tone...good luck

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