Advice for Tele pickups?

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by marc silva, Aug 3, 2003.

  1. "marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
    > Hello,
    > I have a Mexican Tele and I want to change the pickups. I'm looking for a
    > fuller sound but I still want to keep the clairity. Can anyone make any
    > recommendations.


    I would encourage you to realize that despite a lot of popularity and
    marketing, pickups are the least important thing in terms of affecting
    one's sound, as long as they are adequate for the design. Technique,
    string guage, guitar design, speaker, and amp are all far more
    important, and in that order. A Tele is not supposed to be a
    fuller-sounding guitar. Anything you do to it to make it moreso, will
    make it less Tele-like, and is working against its basic design. I
    suggest you simply get rid of the Tele and buy a guitar that you like
    the sound from - such as something with 'buckers. You can spend a lot
    of money & time fooling around trying to make a compromise instrument
    instead, as many now do, and end up with less performance and resale
    value to show for it.

    I have heard Mex Tele's that sound every bit as good as my orig '52
    did, and are much better guitars overall. It sounds like you might be
    an SG man instead, try a good clone & see.
  2. I have Fralins in two of my Teles, and have tried many others in my
    quest for tone. My very favorite Tele pickup is in my main ax, the Seymour
    Duncan "Vintage Telecaster" pickup. All the color and character of the early
    Tele pickups, but without the noise.
    As a Tele player, I think this pickup is a masterpiece. The Fralins
    aren't bad, either!
  3. As lbrty4us@aol.com so eloquently put:
    [...]
    [] Technique,
    [] string guage, guitar design, speaker, and amp are all far more
    [] important, and in that order.

    And battery condition. Don't forget the well worn battery.

    Chris

    --
    "My current strat is actually a hollow tele."
    -- Fabio
    Remove X's from my email address above to reply
    [These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]
  4. <lbrty4us@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:205ef942.0308141136.57c42226@posting.google.com...
    > "marc silva" <msdebk@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

    news:<aN0Xa.85597$0v4.5730132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
    > I have heard Mex Tele's that sound every bit as good as my orig '52
    > did, and are much better guitars overall.


    I'm glad to here someone else say that. I have a MIM Tele that plays better
    than any vintage Tele I've ever played.
  5. Vvanragnar

    Vvanragnar Guest

    There's also a kind of Telecaster called the "Fat Tele" - I think it's based on
    one Albert Collins used - which means the electronics may be available from
    Fender to set the thing up with whatever constitutes the fatness of the model.
    You might ask your Helpful Shop Guy what he knows about the pickups in the fat
    model and see if that stuff is available.
  6. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:

    >Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93D5CF9CC7945nilch1@204.127.204.17>...
    >> On 12 Aug 2003, "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in
    >> news:3f3929aa$1@shknews01:
    >>
    >> > They don't sound like Bill Lawrence pickups. "Bad" in in
    >> > the ear of the beerholder. I've never heard any positive
    >> > comments about them.

    >>
    >> But I wonder if they really sound unlike Bill Lawrence pickups. I used
    >> to have a Lawrence pickup in my Strat in the late '70s. It was a
    >> humbucking design (I think) with a single blade across the length of
    >> the pickup... it looked much like the L-250 I see on the "false"
    >> Lawrence web site. The L-250 that the REAL Bill Lawrence sells has 2
    >> blades. So, I wonder if the evil bill lawrence pickup might sound
    >> closer to the one I used to have, which I loved at the time.

    >
    >FYI - The single bladed pickup you had in the late 70's was either an
    >L-220 or an L-250 which was basically an updated version of the L-220.
    > In "Guitar Electronics for Musicians" the L-250 is described as an
    >"attenuated flux version of the L-220". By 1983 the L-220 was not
    >listed in the catalog anymore - just the L-250.


    True afaik.
    >
    >Bill designed both of these back when his company was called Lawrence
    >Sound Research.


    True.

    >Bill has not been with the company since '84 but it
    >has been in business ever since,


    No it hasn't. "Lawrence Sound
    Research" does not exist and
    hasn't for about twenty years.

    >is still owned by one of the original
    >partners, and the name has been changed to Bill Lawrence Guitar
    >Pickups.


    No, it hasn't. "Bill Lawrence
    Guitar Pickups" (if it actually
    exists as such) is another
    entity entirely. As the
    incompetent you're supporting
    what happened to "The Lawrence
    Connection."

    >I own an L-250 made back when Bill was still with the
    >company and several made since then (one was even bought from
    >Stew-Mac) and they ALL sound the same, so I know they still make them
    >like they used to.


    This is incorrect. First of
    all, you could just be lucky
    and/or have a tin ear (as
    Stew-Mac's catalog stated,
    the "Lawrence" pickups they
    sold were very inconsistent).
    The pickups are not the same
    because the bootlegging
    thief you're supporting
    cannot buy the magnet wire
    from the company that has
    BL's original specs due to
    the fact that he failed to
    pay his bills (an old and
    ongoing story with his guy!).
    The devil's in the details,
    and this man wouldn't know a
    detail if it crawled into
    his ear and blew a chorus of
    "Cherokee!"
    >
    >The L-250's sound fantastic. They are quiet, warm (but brighter than
    >regular humbuckers) and full of tone. I play Kenny Burrell-style
    >jazz, blues, classic rock and Santana-style latin and they sound great
    >for each style. You'll even find good reviews of them on Bill's Forum
    >- there are a couple of threads about his single-bladed pickups on
    >there.


    To achieve BL performance
    you must to more than just
    approximate his designs
    wth second-rate skills and
    cheap materials -- a true
    BL pickup must be built
    strictly according to BL's
    exact sequence of
    manufacturing operations
    using BL's specified parts
    and materials.
    >
    >> This is all academic. I have bought several pickups from the real Bill
    >> in the past few years, and have been totally satisfied with their
    >> products and the way they do business. I would avoid doing business
    >> with a company that steals another man's name and tries to fool their
    >> customers into thinking they were buying something they're not.

    >
    >The Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickups company isn't fooling anyone anymore
    >than the Fender company fooled people after Leo was no longer
    >involved.


    Bad analogy. Fender (FMIC)
    is not legally allowed to
    use the name "Leo Fender"
    on their products and this
    ethically-impaired
    bootlegger is not legally
    allowed to use the name
    "Bill Lawrence." Now that
    BL is in California, a
    reckoning won't be long
    in coming -- CA has the
    strongest laws in the
    country when it comes to
    abuse of a well-known
    person's professional
    identity without
    permission, and your ill-
    chosen buddy is in clear
    violation. You can't cut
    a Tony Bennett CD without
    Tony Bennett's consent
    and you can't sell a
    pickup with the name
    "Bill Lawrence"
    without Bill Lawrence's
    consent. Period.

    >The confusion comes from Bills prominent use of the "Bill
    >Lawrence" name in ads for his "Wilde" pickups. (Guitar history would
    >really be confusing if Leo had continued to use "Fender" in large
    >print in ads for his Music Man or G&L products!)


    Bill Lawrence holds the
    uncontested registered
    service mark for his
    name. His use of that
    name clearly implies
    the use of his services
    (design and manufacturing
    supervision) in
    producing what are
    commonly called "Bill
    Lawrence pickups." G&L
    can continues to use
    "Leo Fender" in whatever
    font they want, because
    Leo Fender and his estate
    have consented to that
    use. The distinction is
    that "Fender" is a brand
    name, but "Leo Fender" is
    the professional identity
    the person born as
    Clarence Leo Fender.
    Similarly, "Lawrence" can
    be a brand name, but
    "Bill Lawrence" is the
    professional identity of
    the person born as Willi
    Lorenz Stich.

    When it comes to a man's
    professional identity,
    the name and the person
    are inseparable.


    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
  7. Don Evans

    Don Evans Guest

    "Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message
    news:7mcqjvc0ij8mgu095517ok1jc76cspdccm@4ax.com...
    > kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:
    >
    > >Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message

    news:<Xns93D5CF9CC7945nilch1@204.127.204.17>...
    > >> On 12 Aug 2003, "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in
    > >> news:3f3929aa$1@shknews01:
    > >>
    > >> > They don't sound like Bill Lawrence pickups. "Bad" in in
    > >> > the ear of the beerholder. I've never heard any positive
    > >> > comments about them.
    > >>
    > >> But I wonder if they really sound unlike Bill Lawrence pickups. I used
    > >> to have a Lawrence pickup in my Strat in the late '70s. It was a
    > >> humbucking design (I think) with a single blade across the length of
    > >> the pickup... it looked much like the L-250 I see on the "false"
    > >> Lawrence web site. The L-250 that the REAL Bill Lawrence sells has 2
    > >> blades. So, I wonder if the evil bill lawrence pickup might sound
    > >> closer to the one I used to have, which I loved at the time.

    > >
    > >FYI - The single bladed pickup you had in the late 70's was either an
    > >L-220 or an L-250 which was basically an updated version of the L-220.
    > > In "Guitar Electronics for Musicians" the L-250 is described as an
    > >"attenuated flux version of the L-220". By 1983 the L-220 was not
    > >listed in the catalog anymore - just the L-250.

    >
    > True afaik.
    > >
    > >Bill designed both of these back when his company was called Lawrence
    > >Sound Research.

    >
    > True.
    >
    > >Bill has not been with the company since '84 but it
    > >has been in business ever since,

    >
    > No it hasn't. "Lawrence Sound
    > Research" does not exist and
    > hasn't for about twenty years.
    >
    > >is still owned by one of the original
    > >partners, and the name has been changed to Bill Lawrence Guitar
    > >Pickups.

    >
    > No, it hasn't. "Bill Lawrence
    > Guitar Pickups" (if it actually
    > exists as such) is another
    > entity entirely. As the
    > incompetent you're supporting
    > what happened to "The Lawrence
    > Connection."
    >
    > >I own an L-250 made back when Bill was still with the
    > >company and several made since then (one was even bought from
    > >Stew-Mac) and they ALL sound the same, so I know they still make them
    > >like they used to.

    >
    > This is incorrect. First of
    > all, you could just be lucky
    > and/or have a tin ear (as
    > Stew-Mac's catalog stated,
    > the "Lawrence" pickups they
    > sold were very inconsistent).
    > The pickups are not the same
    > because the bootlegging
    > thief you're supporting
    > cannot buy the magnet wire
    > from the company that has
    > BL's original specs due to
    > the fact that he failed to
    > pay his bills (an old and
    > ongoing story with his guy!).
    > The devil's in the details,
    > and this man wouldn't know a
    > detail if it crawled into
    > his ear and blew a chorus of
    > "Cherokee!"
    > >
    > >The L-250's sound fantastic. They are quiet, warm (but brighter than
    > >regular humbuckers) and full of tone. I play Kenny Burrell-style
    > >jazz, blues, classic rock and Santana-style latin and they sound great
    > >for each style. You'll even find good reviews of them on Bill's Forum
    > >- there are a couple of threads about his single-bladed pickups on
    > >there.

    >
    > To achieve BL performance
    > you must to more than just
    > approximate his designs
    > wth second-rate skills and
    > cheap materials -- a true
    > BL pickup must be built
    > strictly according to BL's
    > exact sequence of
    > manufacturing operations
    > using BL's specified parts
    > and materials.
    > >
    > >> This is all academic. I have bought several pickups from the real Bill
    > >> in the past few years, and have been totally satisfied with their
    > >> products and the way they do business. I would avoid doing business
    > >> with a company that steals another man's name and tries to fool their
    > >> customers into thinking they were buying something they're not.

    > >
    > >The Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickups company isn't fooling anyone anymore
    > >than the Fender company fooled people after Leo was no longer
    > >involved.

    >
    > Bad analogy. Fender (FMIC)
    > is not legally allowed to
    > use the name "Leo Fender"
    > on their products and this
    > ethically-impaired
    > bootlegger is not legally
    > allowed to use the name
    > "Bill Lawrence." Now that
    > BL is in California, a
    > reckoning won't be long
    > in coming -- CA has the
    > strongest laws in the
    > country when it comes to
    > abuse of a well-known
    > person's professional
    > identity without
    > permission, and your ill-
    > chosen buddy is in clear
    > violation. You can't cut
    > a Tony Bennett CD without
    > Tony Bennett's consent
    > and you can't sell a
    > pickup with the name
    > "Bill Lawrence"
    > without Bill Lawrence's
    > consent. Period.
    >
    > >The confusion comes from Bills prominent use of the "Bill
    > >Lawrence" name in ads for his "Wilde" pickups. (Guitar history would
    > >really be confusing if Leo had continued to use "Fender" in large
    > >print in ads for his Music Man or G&L products!)

    >
    > Bill Lawrence holds the
    > uncontested registered
    > service mark for his
    > name. His use of that
    > name clearly implies
    > the use of his services
    > (design and manufacturing
    > supervision) in
    > producing what are
    > commonly called "Bill
    > Lawrence pickups." G&L
    > can continues to use
    > "Leo Fender" in whatever
    > font they want, because
    > Leo Fender and his estate
    > have consented to that
    > use. The distinction is
    > that "Fender" is a brand
    > name, but "Leo Fender" is
    > the professional identity
    > the person born as
    > Clarence Leo Fender.
    > Similarly, "Lawrence" can
    > be a brand name, but
    > "Bill Lawrence" is the
    > professional identity of
    > the person born as Willi
    > Lorenz Stich.
    >
    > When it comes to a man's
    > professional identity,
    > the name and the person
    > are inseparable.
    >
    >
    > Disclaimer: I occasionally
    > consult with William
    > Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    > dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"



    Good even handed informative post, Bruce! I tried to come up with comments
    on the Fender analogy, but you said it much better than I could. I use
    them, I like them, but even if I didn't, I'd still feel the same way about
    Bill. His level of dedication to excellence in design is unquestionable,
    and he rides on no one's coat tails. Unlike the other guys.

    Don
  8. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    "Vvanragnar" <vvanragnar@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:20030815092206.12152.00000028@mb-m20.aol.com...
    > There's also a kind of Telecaster called the "Fat Tele" - I think it's

    based on
    > one Albert Collins used - which means the electronics may be available

    from
    > Fender to set the thing up with whatever constitutes the fatness of the

    model.
    > You might ask your Helpful Shop Guy what he knows about the pickups in the

    fat
    > model and see if that stuff is available.


    "Fat Tele"s get a humbucker, full sized, in the neck position.
    Albert Collins was a notable player who had a guitar like that, but he never
    used the 'bucker.
    Lots of players in the late sixties and seventies put 'buckers in the front
    of their Teles: Terry Kath ( Chicago), Mike Bloomfield, Keith
    Richards...lots more.

    I have a Gibson '57 Classic in the neck of a Japanese Paisley Tele. Kinda
    searching for a bridge pickup that mates well with it.

    Dan
  9. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    "Teddy Salad" <toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid> wrote in message
    news:e7bc06b974c11e747e713ce28244c0af@news.onlynews.com...
    > Dan "the closet shredder" Stanley <vze2bjcf@verizon.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    > > I have a Gibson '57 Classic in the neck of a Japanese Paisley Tele.

    Kinda
    > > searching for a bridge pickup that mates well with it.

    >
    > Sure you are, Mr. Roots Rock. The last time I saw you you were wanking
    > away on a floral pattern Ibanez Jem. Complete with green vine
    > fretboard inlay and, dare I say it, a FLOYD ROSE!!


    I think it went well with my comb-over, don't you? Also, it really minimized
    my paunch, despite making my butt look big.

    > B-bender, indeed!


    I bend 'em all. An equal opportunity bender am I.

    > What would Keef say?


    " Fahr ghummble dribs 'n' drobs gimm nehr <chuckle> ahm gon druhnner...noawm
    sain. Savvy?"

    Dan
  10. Teddy Salad

    Teddy Salad Guest

    Dan "the closet shredder" Stanley <vze2bjcf@verizon.net> wrote:


    > I have a Gibson '57 Classic in the neck of a Japanese Paisley Tele. Kinda
    > searching for a bridge pickup that mates well with it.


    Sure you are, Mr. Roots Rock. The last time I saw you you were wanking
    away on a floral pattern Ibanez Jem. Complete with green vine
    fretboard inlay and, dare I say it, a FLOYD ROSE!!

    B-bender, indeed!

    What would Keef say?

    ts

    --
    toneguru_uk-at-yahoo-dot-com
  11. As "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net> so eloquently put:
    [...]
    [] > What would Keef say?
    []
    [] " Fahr ghummble dribs 'n' drobs gimm nehr <chuckle> ahm gon druhnner...noawm
    [] sain. Savvy?"


    a b s o l u t e l y d e a d


    (me, that is)


    ----
    "...there would have been no Holdsworth or
    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    -- Mark Garvin
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  12. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    "Don Evans" <gtrdonevans@aol.com> wrote:

    >
    >"Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message
    >news:7mcqjvc0ij8mgu095517ok1jc76cspdccm@4ax.com...
    >> kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message

    >news:<Xns93D5CF9CC7945nilch1@204.127.204.17>...
    >> >> On 12 Aug 2003, "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in
    >> >> news:3f3929aa$1@shknews01:
    >> >>
    >> >> > They don't sound like Bill Lawrence pickups. "Bad" in in
    >> >> > the ear of the beerholder. I've never heard any positive
    >> >> > comments about them.
    >> >>
    >> >> But I wonder if they really sound unlike Bill Lawrence pickups. I used
    >> >> to have a Lawrence pickup in my Strat in the late '70s. It was a
    >> >> humbucking design (I think) with a single blade across the length of
    >> >> the pickup... it looked much like the L-250 I see on the "false"
    >> >> Lawrence web site. The L-250 that the REAL Bill Lawrence sells has 2
    >> >> blades. So, I wonder if the evil bill lawrence pickup might sound
    >> >> closer to the one I used to have, which I loved at the time.
    >> >
    >> >FYI - The single bladed pickup you had in the late 70's was either an
    >> >L-220 or an L-250 which was basically an updated version of the L-220.
    >> > In "Guitar Electronics for Musicians" the L-250 is described as an
    >> >"attenuated flux version of the L-220". By 1983 the L-220 was not
    >> >listed in the catalog anymore - just the L-250.

    >>
    >> True afaik.
    >> >
    >> >Bill designed both of these back when his company was called Lawrence
    >> >Sound Research.

    >>
    >> True.
    >>
    >> >Bill has not been with the company since '84 but it
    >> >has been in business ever since,

    >>
    >> No it hasn't. "Lawrence Sound
    >> Research" does not exist and
    >> hasn't for about twenty years.
    >>
    >> >is still owned by one of the original
    >> >partners, and the name has been changed to Bill Lawrence Guitar
    >> >Pickups.

    >>
    >> No, it hasn't. "Bill Lawrence
    >> Guitar Pickups" (if it actually
    >> exists as such) is another
    >> entity entirely. Ask the
    >> incompetent you're supporting
    >> what happened to "The Lawrence
    >> Connection."
    >>
    >> >I own an L-250 made back when Bill was still with the
    >> >company and several made since then (one was even bought from
    >> >Stew-Mac) and they ALL sound the same, so I know they still make them
    >> >like they used to.

    >>
    >> This is incorrect. First of
    >> all, you could just be lucky
    >> and/or have a tin ear (as
    >> Stew-Mac's catalog stated,
    >> the "Lawrence" pickups they
    >> sold were very inconsistent).
    >> The pickups are not the same
    >> because the bootlegging
    >> thief you're supporting
    >> cannot buy the magnet wire
    >> from the company that has
    >> BL's original specs due to
    >> the fact that he failed to
    >> pay his bills (an old and
    >> ongoing story with his guy!).
    >> The devil's in the details,
    >> and this man wouldn't know a
    >> detail if it crawled into
    >> his ear and blew a chorus of
    >> "Cherokee!"
    >> >
    >> >The L-250's sound fantastic. They are quiet, warm (but brighter than
    >> >regular humbuckers) and full of tone. I play Kenny Burrell-style
    >> >jazz, blues, classic rock and Santana-style latin and they sound great
    >> >for each style. You'll even find good reviews of them on Bill's Forum
    >> >- there are a couple of threads about his single-bladed pickups on
    >> >there.

    >>
    >> To achieve BL performance
    >> you must to more than just
    >> approximate his designs
    >> with second-rate skills and
    >> cheap materials -- a true
    >> BL pickup must be built
    >> strictly according to BL's
    >> exact sequence of
    >> manufacturing operations
    >> using BL's specified parts
    >> and materials.
    >> >
    >> >> This is all academic. I have bought several pickups from the real Bill
    >> >> in the past few years, and have been totally satisfied with their
    >> >> products and the way they do business. I would avoid doing business
    >> >> with a company that steals another man's name and tries to fool their
    >> >> customers into thinking they were buying something they're not.
    >> >
    >> >The Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickups company isn't fooling anyone anymore
    >> >than the Fender company fooled people after Leo was no longer
    >> >involved.

    >>
    >> Bad analogy. Fender (FMIC)
    >> is not legally allowed to
    >> use the name "Leo Fender"
    >> on their products and this
    >> ethically-impaired
    >> bootlegger is not legally
    >> allowed to use the name
    >> "Bill Lawrence." Now that
    >> BL is in California, a
    >> reckoning won't be long
    >> in coming -- CA has the
    >> strongest laws in the
    >> country when it comes to
    >> abuse of a well-known
    >> person's professional
    >> identity without
    >> permission, and your ill-
    >> chosen buddy is in clear
    >> violation. You can't cut
    >> a Tony Bennett CD without
    >> Tony Bennett's consent
    >> and you can't sell a
    >> pickup with the name
    >> "Bill Lawrence"
    >> without Bill Lawrence's
    >> consent. Period.
    >>
    >> >The confusion comes from Bills prominent use of the "Bill
    >> >Lawrence" name in ads for his "Wilde" pickups. (Guitar history would
    >> >really be confusing if Leo had continued to use "Fender" in large
    >> >print in ads for his Music Man or G&L products!)

    >>
    >> Bill Lawrence holds the
    >> uncontested registered
    >> service mark for his
    >> name. His use of that
    >> name clearly implies
    >> the use of his services
    >> (design and manufacturing
    >> supervision) in
    >> producing what are
    >> commonly called "Bill
    >> Lawrence pickups." G&L
    >> can continues to use
    >> "Leo Fender" in whatever
    >> font they want, because
    >> Leo Fender and his estate
    >> have consented to that
    >> use. The distinction is
    >> that "Fender" is a brand
    >> name, but "Leo Fender" is
    >> the professional identity
    >> the person born as
    >> Clarence Leo Fender.
    >> Similarly, "Lawrence" can
    >> be a brand name, but
    >> "Bill Lawrence" is the
    >> professional identity of
    >> the person born as Willi
    >> Lorenz Stich.
    >>
    >> When it comes to a man's
    >> professional identity,
    >> the name and the person
    >> are inseparable.
    >>
    >>
    >> Disclaimer: I occasionally
    >> consult with William
    >> Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    >> dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"

    >
    >
    >Good even handed informative post, Bruce!


    Thanks, Don!

    >I tried to come up with comments
    >on the Fender analogy, but you said it much better than I could.


    Always glad to help out.
    :)

    >I use
    >them, I like them, but even if I didn't, I'd still feel the same way about
    >Bill. His level of dedication to excellence in design is unquestionable,
    >and he rides on no one's coat tails. Unlike the other guys.
    >

    Bullseye!


    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
  13. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:58:08 GMT, Teddy Salad
    <toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid> wrote:


    > Sure you are, Mr. Roots Rock. The last time I saw you you were wanking
    >away on a floral pattern Ibanez Jem. Complete with green vine
    >fretboard inlay and, dare I say it, a FLOYD ROSE!!



    he heard david lee roth needed a new hobbit.


    > B-bender, indeed!
    >
    > What would Keef say?
    >


    "buuuuurrrrp.... oh, did i write that one too?"
  14. > "Fat Tele"s get a humbucker, full sized, in the neck position.
    > Albert Collins was a notable player who had a guitar like that, but he never
    > used the 'bucker.


    It seems like a marketing ploy and somewhat pointless art worst, or
    roundabout at best, to turn a Tele into a 'bucker axe, when there are
    much better & cheaper 'bucker axes all over the place. One
    suggestion: to make one fatter, forget pickups & just try wiping it
    with toilet paper twice a day (it works on your butt, right<G>?).
  15. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On 18 Aug 2003 08:38:59 -0700, lbrty4us@aol.com wrote:

    >> "Fat Tele"s get a humbucker, full sized, in the neck position.
    >> Albert Collins was a notable player who had a guitar like that, but he never
    >> used the 'bucker.

    >
    >It seems like a marketing ploy and somewhat pointless art worst, or
    >roundabout at best,




    hey, i'm sold already



    to turn a Tele into a 'bucker axe, when there are
    >much better & cheaper 'bucker axes all over the place.



    none of them have fur.
  16. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    lbrty4us@aol.com wrote:

    >> "Fat Tele"s get a humbucker, full sized, in the neck position.
    >> Albert Collins was a notable player who had a guitar like that, but he never
    >> used the 'bucker.

    >
    >It seems like a marketing ploy and somewhat pointless art worst, or
    >roundabout at best, to turn a Tele into a 'bucker axe, when there are
    >much better & cheaper 'bucker axes all over the place.


    That's a disputable claim.
    Teles (particularly MIMs)
    are a very good value imo,
    and the usefulness of both
    one- and two-'bucker Teles
    has been established for
    years. Denny Dias played
    a highly-customized two-
    'bucker Tele in the early
    days of Steely Dan and
    Keith Richards has used a
    neck 'bucker Tele for
    decades. I don't think
    either of these guys had
    "marketing" in mind.

    I'm not a 'bucker fan
    myself, but I do play a
    "Reverse Fat Tele"
    partscaster with a Gotoh
    'bucker-cut bridge holding
    one of BL's L-490L pickups
    -- a 'bucker-sized "airgap
    noisefree" model that
    sounds like a refined,
    hum-free cross between a
    Jazzmaster pickup and a
    P-90.

    Bottom line: afaik Tele-
    style guitars with Gibson-
    sized pickups in one or
    more positions comprise a
    time-tested concept --
    even Fender sells quite a
    few one- and two-'bucker
    models straight from the
    factory.

    [snip]


    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
  17. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:29:25 -0400, Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com>
    wrote:

    >lbrty4us@aol.com wrote:
    >
    >>> "Fat Tele"s get a humbucker, full sized, in the neck position.
    >>> Albert Collins was a notable player who had a guitar like that, but he never
    >>> used the 'bucker.

    >>
    >>It seems like a marketing ploy and somewhat pointless art worst, or
    >>roundabout at best, to turn a Tele into a 'bucker axe, when there are
    >>much better & cheaper 'bucker axes all over the place.

    >
    >That's a disputable claim.



    probly just a troll or a bit of a wink. I like humbucker equipped
    Teles, i think its a great sound. Some guys dont, ok, whatever. I use
    the Duncan Lil 59 in mine sometimes, love it.

    Friend of mine has an old Tele that he had a custom bridge plate
    milled to accept this ancient P90. Thats a great sounding guitar.
    Another friend of mine, shut up Teddy, i actualy DO have friends, has
    a Tele with full sized humbucker bridge plate. Old Gibson humbucker in
    it. Sounds great.
  18. Teddy Salad

    Teddy Salad Guest

    howldog <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:29:25 -0400, Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >lbrty4us@aol.com wrote:
    > >
    > >>> "Fat Tele"s get a humbucker, full sized, in the neck position.
    > >>> Albert Collins was a notable player who had a guitar like that, but he
    > >>> never
    > >>> used the 'bucker.
    > >>
    > >>It seems like a marketing ploy and somewhat pointless art worst, or
    > >>roundabout at best, to turn a Tele into a 'bucker axe, when there are
    > >>much better & cheaper 'bucker axes all over the place.

    > >
    > >That's a disputable claim.

    >
    >
    > probly just a troll or a bit of a wink. I like humbucker equipped
    > Teles, i think its a great sound. Some guys dont, ok, whatever. I use
    > the Duncan Lil 59 in mine sometimes, love it.


    That guitar does sound pretty good. Even with you playing it.

    > Friend of mine has an old Tele that he had a custom bridge plate
    > milled to accept this ancient P90. Thats a great sounding guitar.
    > Another friend of mine, shut up Teddy, i actualy DO have friends, has
    > a Tele with full sized humbucker bridge plate. Old Gibson humbucker in
    > it. Sounds great.


    A 'bucker in a Tele can be a very good thing.

    I knew you had friends, I just assumed they were all inflatable.

    ts

    --
    toneguru_uk-at-yahoo-dot-com
  19. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:06:12 GMT, Teddy Salad
    <toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid> wrote:


    >> probly just a troll or a bit of a wink. I like humbucker equipped
    >> Teles, i think its a great sound. Some guys dont, ok, whatever. I use
    >> the Duncan Lil 59 in mine sometimes, love it.

    >
    > That guitar does sound pretty good. Even with you playing it.



    that wasnt me, i hired warner hodges to sit in that night for me so i
    could get drunk, shoot pool, and chase skirts.

    yer welcome



    > A 'bucker in a Tele can be a very good thing.
    >
    > I knew you had friends, I just assumed they were all inflatable.



    those are business partners. friends are the people i pay large sums
    of money to let me hang around them.
  20. On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:06:12 GMT, Teddy Salad
    <toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid> spewed forth:

    >howldog <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:29:25 -0400, Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >lbrty4us@aol.com wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>> "Fat Tele"s get a humbucker, full sized, in the neck position.
    >> >>> Albert Collins was a notable player who had a guitar like that, but he
    >> >>> never
    >> >>> used the 'bucker.
    >> >>
    >> >>It seems like a marketing ploy and somewhat pointless art worst, or
    >> >>roundabout at best, to turn a Tele into a 'bucker axe, when there are
    >> >>much better & cheaper 'bucker axes all over the place.
    >> >
    >> >That's a disputable claim.

    >>
    >>
    >> probly just a troll or a bit of a wink. I like humbucker equipped
    >> Teles, i think its a great sound. Some guys dont, ok, whatever. I use
    >> the Duncan Lil 59 in mine sometimes, love it.

    >
    > That guitar does sound pretty good. Even with you playing it.
    >
    >> Friend of mine has an old Tele that he had a custom bridge plate
    >> milled to accept this ancient P90. Thats a great sounding guitar.
    >> Another friend of mine, shut up Teddy, i actualy DO have friends, has
    >> a Tele with full sized humbucker bridge plate. Old Gibson humbucker in
    >> it. Sounds great.

    >
    > A 'bucker in a Tele can be a very good thing.
    >
    > I knew you had friends, I just assumed they were all inflatable.
    >
    > ts


    Ouch. That's almost as nasty as telling your best bud all his dates
    come with a bicycle pump and a patch kit.

    Ken Wilson

    Amer. Dlx. Tele, Gary Moore LP,
    Jeff Beck Strat, Morgan OM Acoustic,
    Rick 360/12, Standard Strat (MIM),
    Mesa 100 Nomad, Mesa F-30

    "Just because people don't understand
    you doesn't mean you are an artist"

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