Advice for Tele pickups?

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by marc silva, Aug 3, 2003.

  1. As howldog <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> so eloquently put:
    [] <toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid> wrote:
    [] >
    [] > I knew you had friends, I just assumed they were all inflatable.
    []
    []
    [] those are business partners. friends are the people i pay large sums
    [] of money to let me hang around them.

    You pay money?! I just spend a little time with them in a dark room,
    and, well... you know.

    Chris

    ----
    "...there would have been no Holdsworth or
    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    -- Mark Garvin
    Remove X's from my email address above to reply
    [These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]
  2. kwells

    kwells Guest

    Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com> wrote in message news:<7mcqjvc0ij8mgu095517ok1jc76cspdccm@4ax.com>...

    >
    > Bill Lawrence holds the
    > uncontested registered
    > service mark for his
    > name. His use of that
    > name clearly implies
    > the use of his services
    > (design and manufacturing
    > supervision) in
    > producing what are
    > commonly called "Bill
    > Lawrence pickups."
    >
    > Disclaimer: I occasionally
    > consult with William
    > Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    > dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
    >
    >

    The registered "Bill Lawrence" mark has nothing to do with the pickups
    that Bill and Becky produce and sell. Mr.Morgan and I have already
    had a discussion about this on another thread. You can find my
    comments here:
    http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g...307031812.5c3ad7ec@posting.google.com&rnum=28

    Anyone interested in this topic can go to www.uspto.gov and do their
    own research. You can start by reading the "Basic Facts About
    Trademarks" (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/) and the
    "Frequently Asked Questions About Trademarks"
    (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmfaq.htm). For more in depth
    info, check out the "Trademark Manual of Examining Procedure"
    (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmep/), specially chapter 1300
    which talks about the distinction between the different types of
    marks, and chapter 900 which talks about how the registered mark can
    and cannot be used in commerce. Also check out chapter 1400 which
    covers the various trade and service mark classes.

    Once you've got the basics down, go to the www.uspto.gov home page,
    click "Search Trademarks", and look up the registered "Bill Lawrence"
    mark (reg #2303676). And for contrast look up the registered marks
    for other pickup manufacturers such as "Seymour Duncan" (reg
    #2662289), "Van Zandt" (reg #1817810), "Rio Grande" (reg #2514773) and
    "DiMarzio" (reg #2578242). Notice that all of these EXCEPT "Bill
    Lawrence" are registered as TRADE marks to market pickups and
    designated in class 9 (for electrical and scientific apparatus). Only
    "Bill Lawrence" is registered as a SERVICE mark to market a
    consulting/design service and designated in class 42 (before 2002 all
    consulting services were assigned to class 42).

    And since Mr. Morgan likes to compare Bill's consulting/design service
    to what clothing designers do, look up the registrations for the "Bill
    Blass" mark – it's registered as a SERVICE mark to market his design
    services, and also as TRADE marks to market the various products that
    he sells (reg #'s 1070427, 2288060, 1384355, etc). In contrast, "Bill
    Lawrence" is ONLY registered as a SERVICE mark and is NOT registered
    as a TRADE mark to market ANY products whatsoever. [FYI - The pickup
    designing that Bill does for his own company does not fall under the
    "service" category because it is done for his own business, rather
    than for someone else. You can verify this at
    http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmep/1300.htm#_Toc2249593 - look
    up TMEP 1301.01.]

    Even though Bill did not register "Bill Lawrence" to market his
    pickups, he has been using the federal registration symbol next to
    "Bill Lawrence" in ads for his pickups, making it APPEAR that it's
    registered for marketing his pickups and obviously creating a lot of
    confusion in the market place.
  3. "Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message
    news:1522kv47q9u5n1h46gtuooqa6du4q9i01r@4ax.com...
    > lbrty4us@aol.com wrote:
    >
    > >> "Fat Tele"s get a humbucker, full sized, in the neck position.
    > >> Albert Collins was a notable player who had a guitar like that, but he

    never
    > >> used the 'bucker.

    > >
    > >It seems like a marketing ploy and somewhat pointless art worst, or
    > >roundabout at best, to turn a Tele into a 'bucker axe, when there are
    > >much better & cheaper 'bucker axes all over the place.

    >
    > That's a disputable claim.
    > Teles (particularly MIMs)
    > are a very good value imo,
    > and the usefulness of both
    > one- and two-'bucker Teles
    > has been established for
    > years. Denny Dias played
    > a highly-customized two-
    > 'bucker Tele in the early
    > days of Steely Dan and
    > Keith Richards has used a
    > neck 'bucker Tele for
    > decades. I don't think
    > either of these guys had
    > "marketing" in mind.
    >
    > I'm not a 'bucker fan
    > myself, but I do play a
    > "Reverse Fat Tele"
    > partscaster with a Gotoh
    > 'bucker-cut bridge holding
    > one of BL's L-490L pickups
    > -- a 'bucker-sized "airgap
    > noisefree" model that
    > sounds like a refined,
    > hum-free cross between a
    > Jazzmaster pickup and a
    > P-90.
    >
    > Bottom line: afaik Tele-
    > style guitars with Gibson-
    > sized pickups in one or
    > more positions comprise a
    > time-tested concept --
    > even Fender sells quite a
    > few one- and two-'bucker
    > models straight from the
    > factory.
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    >
    > Disclaimer: I occasionally
    > consult with William
    > Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    > dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"


    Now, if you'd just get rid of your TRS-80, or whatever software it is you're
    using that forces you to post in that *annoying* narrow-column
    format.....;+)
  4. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:

    >Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com> wrote in message news:<7mcqjvc0ij8mgu095517ok1jc76cspdccm@4ax.com>...
    >
    >>
    >> Bill Lawrence holds the
    >> uncontested registered
    >> service mark for his
    >> name. His use of that
    >> name clearly implies
    >> the use of his services
    >> (design and manufacturing
    >> supervision) in
    >> producing what are
    >> commonly called "Bill
    >> Lawrence pickups."
    >>
    >> Disclaimer: I occasionally
    >> consult with William
    >> Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    >> dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
    >>
    >>

    >The registered "Bill Lawrence" mark has nothing to do with the pickups
    >that Bill and Becky produce and sell.


    The hell it doesn't -- the
    pickups Bill and Becky
    sell are designed by BL,
    manyfactured under his
    personal supervision, and
    carry his personal
    endorsement and signature.
    This is an entirely
    legitimate and logical
    application of a service
    mark!

    Mr.Morgan and I have already
    >had a discussion about this on another thread. You can find my
    >comments here:
    >http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g...307031812.5c3ad7ec@posting.google.com&rnum=28
    >

    You comments were foolish
    then and they're just as
    foolish now. The whole
    issue will soon be moot
    now that BL is doing
    business in CA.

    >Anyone interested in this topic can go to www.uspto.gov and do their
    >own research. You can start by reading the "Basic Facts About
    >Trademarks" (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/) and the
    >"Frequently Asked Questions About Trademarks"
    >(http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmfaq.htm). For more in depth
    >info, check out the "Trademark Manual of Examining Procedure"
    >(http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmep/), specially chapter 1300
    >which talks about the distinction between the different types of
    >marks, and chapter 900 which talks about how the registered mark can
    >and cannot be used in commerce. Also check out chapter 1400 which
    >covers the various trade and service mark classes.
    >
    >Once you've got the basics down, go to the www.uspto.gov home page,
    >click "Search Trademarks", and look up the registered "Bill Lawrence"
    >mark (reg #2303676). And for contrast look up the registered marks
    >for other pickup manufacturers such as "Seymour Duncan" (reg
    >#2662289), "Van Zandt" (reg #1817810), "Rio Grande" (reg #2514773) and
    >"DiMarzio" (reg #2578242). Notice that all of these EXCEPT "Bill
    >Lawrence" are registered as TRADE marks to market pickups and
    >designated in class 9 (for electrical and scientific apparatus). Only
    >"Bill Lawrence" is registered as a SERVICE mark to market a
    >consulting/design service and designated in class 42 (before 2002 all
    >consulting services were assigned to class 42).
    >
    >And since Mr. Morgan likes to compare Bill's consulting/design service
    >to what clothing designers do, look up the registrations for the "Bill
    >Blass" mark – it's registered as a SERVICE mark to market his design
    >services, and also as TRADE marks to market the various products that
    >he sells (reg #'s 1070427, 2288060, 1384355, etc). In contrast, "Bill
    >Lawrence" is ONLY registered as a SERVICE mark and is NOT registered
    >as a TRADE mark to market ANY products whatsoever. [FYI - The pickup
    >designing that Bill does for his own company does not fall under the
    >"service" category because it is done for his own business, rather
    >than for someone else. You can verify this at
    >http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmep/1300.htm#_Toc2249593 - look
    >up TMEP 1301.01.]
    >
    >Even though Bill did not register "Bill Lawrence" to market his
    >pickups, he has been using the federal registration symbol next to
    >"Bill Lawrence" in ads for his pickups, making it APPEAR that it's
    >registered for marketing his pickups and obviously creating a lot of
    >confusion in the market place.


    Well then, anyone who feels
    there's been wrongdoing can
    register a complaint -- the
    fact that there has been no
    such complaint over the 7-8
    years that BL has been
    using his registered mark
    speaks volumes. Why has
    your ill-chosen buddy not
    complained (any merit to
    his stance put aside for
    the moment)? That's easy:
    to be a plaintiff in a such
    a procedure requires that
    one have "clean hands" --
    and that guy's are dripping
    with decades of tax evasion
    and outright theft from his
    suppliers. Even UPS is
    trying to collect unpaid
    freight bills from him!

    The "confusion in the
    market place" is entirely
    the result of what amounts
    to an imposter selling so-
    called "Bill Lawrence"
    pickups that don't meet the
    historical quality standards
    associated with that name.
    Iow, he just about *ruined*
    the name with poor-quality
    products and sleazy business
    practices -- until BL
    himself registered the name
    as a mark and proceeded to
    rehabilitate it by making
    sure it was once again
    associated with *quality*.


    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
  5. Nil

    Nil Guest

    On 20 Aug 2003, Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com> wrote in
    news:a9b7kvcgplpan7c3rnigdn59e1si1cg956@4ax.com:

    > The whole issue will soon be moot now that BL is doing business in
    > CA.


    Is this the reason they moved to California from Penna.?
  6. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote:

    >On 20 Aug 2003, Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com> wrote in
    >news:a9b7kvcgplpan7c3rnigdn59e1si1cg956@4ax.com:
    >
    >> The whole issue will soon be moot now that BL is doing business in
    >> CA.

    >
    >Is this the reason they moved to California from Penna.?


    No, it's just a fortunate
    side-effect. The main
    reason was his consulting
    work with Fender -- now
    that both BL and Fender
    are in Corona, BL can
    more efficiently and
    effectively divide his
    work day between helping
    Fender and attending to
    his own projects.


    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
  7. Re: Re: Advice for Tele pickups?

    On 20 Aug 2003 09:22:05 -0700, kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:

    Just so it's clear, the "Bill Lawrence" pickups people rave about are
    the ones that Bill and Becky Lawrence produce and sell.

    Once in a while, someone will post an "I bought Bill Lawrence pickups
    and they sucked!" post. Invariably, these are the other ones.

    >The registered "Bill Lawrence" mark has nothing to do with the pickups
    >that Bill and Becky produce and sell. Mr.Morgan and I have already
    >had a discussion about this on another thread. You can find my
    >comments here:
    >http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g...307031812.5c3ad7ec@posting.google.com&rnum=28
    >
    >Anyone interested in this topic can go to www.uspto.gov and do their
    >own research. You can start by reading the "Basic Facts About
    >Trademarks" (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/) and the
    >"Frequently Asked Questions About Trademarks"
    >(http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmfaq.htm). For more in depth
    >info, check out the "Trademark Manual of Examining Procedure"
    >(http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmep/), specially chapter 1300
    >which talks about the distinction between the different types of
    >marks, and chapter 900 which talks about how the registered mark can
    >and cannot be used in commerce. Also check out chapter 1400 which
    >covers the various trade and service mark classes.
    >
    >Once you've got the basics down, go to the www.uspto.gov home page,
    >click "Search Trademarks", and look up the registered "Bill Lawrence"
    >mark (reg #2303676). And for contrast look up the registered marks
    >for other pickup manufacturers such as "Seymour Duncan" (reg
    >#2662289), "Van Zandt" (reg #1817810), "Rio Grande" (reg #2514773) and
    >"DiMarzio" (reg #2578242). Notice that all of these EXCEPT "Bill
    >Lawrence" are registered as TRADE marks to market pickups and
    >designated in class 9 (for electrical and scientific apparatus). Only
    >"Bill Lawrence" is registered as a SERVICE mark to market a
    >consulting/design service and designated in class 42 (before 2002 all
    >consulting services were assigned to class 42).
    >
    >And since Mr. Morgan likes to compare Bill's consulting/design service
    >to what clothing designers do, look up the registrations for the "Bill
    >Blass" mark – it's registered as a SERVICE mark to market his design
    >services, and also as TRADE marks to market the various products that
    >he sells (reg #'s 1070427, 2288060, 1384355, etc). In contrast, "Bill
    >Lawrence" is ONLY registered as a SERVICE mark and is NOT registered
    >as a TRADE mark to market ANY products whatsoever. [FYI - The pickup
    >designing that Bill does for his own company does not fall under the
    >"service" category because it is done for his own business, rather
    >than for someone else. You can verify this at
    >http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmep/1300.htm#_Toc2249593 - look
    >up TMEP 1301.01.]
    >
    >Even though Bill did not register "Bill Lawrence" to market his
    >pickups, he has been using the federal registration symbol next to
    >"Bill Lawrence" in ads for his pickups, making it APPEAR that it's
    >registered for marketing his pickups and obviously creating a lot of
    >confusion in the market place.
  8. Nil

    Nil Guest

    Re: Re: Advice for Tele pickups?

    On 20 Aug 2003, Mike McKernan <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in
    news:0pd8kvg7sfaeu82vaqv3mpcp3tv4vqduoc@4ax.com:

    > Just so it's clear, the "Bill Lawrence" pickups people rave about
    > are the ones that Bill and Becky Lawrence produce and sell.


    I know! I've bought several from them and they are all excellent.

    > Once in a while, someone will post an "I bought Bill Lawrence
    > pickups and they sucked!" post. Invariably, these are the other
    > ones.


    But I've never actually seen such a message. I asked a question here to
    that effect but didn't ever get a real answer. Ethical questions aside,
    do the bogus Bill Lawrence pickups actually sound bad? Can anyone speak
    from experience - best would be a side-by-side comparison - and not
    from simply a position of defending the Lawrences?
  9. Re: Re: Re: Advice for Tele pickups?

    On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:51:50 GMT, Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote:

    >On 20 Aug 2003, Mike McKernan <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in
    >news:0pd8kvg7sfaeu82vaqv3mpcp3tv4vqduoc@4ax.com:
    >


    >But I've never actually seen such a message. I asked a question here to
    >that effect but didn't ever get a real answer. Ethical questions aside,
    >do the bogus Bill Lawrence pickups actually sound bad? Can anyone speak
    >from experience - best would be a side-by-side comparison - and not
    >from simply a position of defending the Lawrences?


    You should be able to Google a thread from just a few months back.
    There were some who liked the other pups, but plenty who said that
    they were inconsistent at best.
  10. Dana Craft

    Dana Craft Guest

    This was not an obvious solution. I've had the Power Deluxe Nashville Tele
    for a year now. This particular guitar came with 2 TexMex pups and middle
    Strat TexMex. I planned on changing to BL's because I didn't like the tone
    until. Recently, I put about $250 into maintenance upgrades to my 73 SFDR -
    caps, Jensen ceramic speaker and a BF mod. My primary guitars are 2 LPs, 1
    with P-90's, the other with SD-1's and a Rick 12 string. And was very happy
    with the results. Then one day, I plugged in the Tele and WHOA! Lush tones
    and harmonics, incredible sustain.



    Now I can't put it down. Every guitar in the house got the benefit of that
    amp modification. For now, I'll just leave the stock pickups in the Tele. If
    I were shopping for pups now, I would try to find them installed and take
    the amp to test-drive them.



    Thanks,

    A man in love.


    "Robert Barker" <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> wrote in message
    news:gsN0b.38838$Ij4.34333@news2.central.cox.net...
    "Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message
    news:1522kv47q9u5n1h46gtuooqa6du4q9i01r@4ax.com...
    > lbrty4us@aol.com wrote:
    >
    > >> "Fat Tele"s get a humbucker, full sized, in the neck position.
    > >> Albert Collins was a notable player who had a guitar like that, but he

    never
    > >> used the 'bucker.

    > >
    > >It seems like a marketing ploy and somewhat pointless art worst, or
    > >roundabout at best, to turn a Tele into a 'bucker axe, when there are
    > >much better & cheaper 'bucker axes all over the place.

    >
    > That's a disputable claim.
    > Teles (particularly MIMs)
    > are a very good value imo,
    > and the usefulness of both
    > one- and two-'bucker Teles
    > has been established for
    > years. Denny Dias played
    > a highly-customized two-
    > 'bucker Tele in the early
    > days of Steely Dan and
    > Keith Richards has used a
    > neck 'bucker Tele for
    > decades. I don't think
    > either of these guys had
    > "marketing" in mind.
    >
    > I'm not a 'bucker fan
    > myself, but I do play a
    > "Reverse Fat Tele"
    > partscaster with a Gotoh
    > 'bucker-cut bridge holding
    > one of BL's L-490L pickups
    > -- a 'bucker-sized "airgap
    > noisefree" model that
    > sounds like a refined,
    > hum-free cross between a
    > Jazzmaster pickup and a
    > P-90.
    >
    > Bottom line: afaik Tele-
    > style guitars with Gibson-
    > sized pickups in one or
    > more positions comprise a
    > time-tested concept --
    > even Fender sells quite a
    > few one- and two-'bucker
    > models straight from the
    > factory.
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    >
    > Disclaimer: I occasionally
    > consult with William
    > Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    > dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"


    Now, if you'd just get rid of your TRS-80, or whatever software it is you're
    using that forces you to post in that *annoying* narrow-column
    format.....;+)
  11. kwells

    kwells Guest

    Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com> wrote in message news:<a9b7kvcgplpan7c3rnigdn59e1si1cg956@4ax.com>...
    > kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:
    >
    > >Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com> wrote in message news:<7mcqjvc0ij8mgu095517ok1jc76cspdccm@4ax.com>...
    > >

    >
    > Well then, anyone who feels
    > there's been wrongdoing can
    > register a complaint -- the
    > fact that there has been no
    > such complaint over the 7-8
    > years that BL has been
    > using his registered mark
    > speaks volumes.


    FYI - The BL mark was registered on 12/28/99, so Bill's only been
    using it for a little over 3½ years.

    What really speaks volumes is that, since Bill and Mr. Wajcman parted
    ways 19 years ago, the Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickups company
    (www.billlawrenceusa.com) has continued to use the "Bill Lawrence
    Products" common-law trademark and Bill hasn't registered a complaint
    - nor has he registered "Bill Lawrence" as a trademark to market his
    new pickups. Instead he has resorted to mis-using the registered
    service mark of his consulting service in his pickup ads.

    > The "confusion in the
    > market place" is entirely
    > the result of what amounts
    > to an imposter selling so-
    > called "Bill Lawrence"
    > pickups that don't meet the
    > historical quality standards
    > associated with that name.
    > Iow, he just about *ruined*
    > the name with poor-quality
    > products...


    Speaking of "historical quality": The owner of the Bill Lawrence
    Guitar Pickups company (www.billlawrenceusa.com) has been a co-owner
    of the BL company on and off since he co-founded it in 1965 (when it
    was known as Lawrence Electro Sound) and he's been running it on his
    own since 1984. Businesses don't usually last that long by selling
    poor quality products - and I wouldn't have used their pickups for the
    last 16 years if they weren't high quality.

    > Disclaimer: I occasionally
    > consult with William
    > Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    > dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"


    [BTW - I don't work for ANY musical instrument related company, nor am
    I
    friends with anyone who does - I just happen to like the single-bladed
    L-250's made by the folks at www.billlawrenceusa.com and am trying to
    correct some of the misinformation that is being spread about the
    pickups and the company that produces them.]
  12. kwells

    kwells Guest

    Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93DDF2BF531Bnilch1@204.127.199.17>...
    > On 20 Aug 2003, Mike McKernan <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in
    > news:0pd8kvg7sfaeu82vaqv3mpcp3tv4vqduoc@4ax.com:
    >
    > > Just so it's clear, the "Bill Lawrence" pickups people rave about
    > > are the ones that Bill and Becky Lawrence produce and sell.

    >
    > I know! I've bought several from them and they are all excellent.
    >
    > > Once in a while, someone will post an "I bought Bill Lawrence
    > > pickups and they sucked!" post. Invariably, these are the other
    > > ones.

    >
    > But I've never actually seen such a message. I asked a question here to
    > that effect but didn't ever get a real answer. Ethical questions aside,
    > do the bogus Bill Lawrence pickups actually sound bad? Can anyone speak
    > from experience - best would be a side-by-side comparison - and not
    > from simply a position of defending the Lawrences?


    Like I've said before, I've used the L-250 pickups by the folks at
    www.billlawrenceusa.com for the last 16 years and love them. Both
    companies make great pickups, but the only pickups the two make in
    common are the L-500 / L-500XL series, full size humbuckers with
    blades. Only the www.billlawrenceusa.com folks make the single-bladed
    L-250 (Strat- and Tele-sized humbucker) and the Black Label
    single-coil pickups. And only Bill makes the double-bladed L-250, the
    L-280 / L-290 noiseless Strat-style pickups w/poles, as well as a
    number of other humbucker sized pickups.

    If you want to know how they sound, you should just buy some from
    www.billlawrenceusa.com, try them out and see for yourself.
  13. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    kwells@kdsi.net (kwells) wrote:

    >Nil <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93DDF2BF531Bnilch1@204.127.199.17>...
    >> On 20 Aug 2003, Mike McKernan <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in
    >> news:0pd8kvg7sfaeu82vaqv3mpcp3tv4vqduoc@4ax.com:
    >>
    >> > Just so it's clear, the "Bill Lawrence" pickups people rave about
    >> > are the ones that Bill and Becky Lawrence produce and sell.

    >>
    >> I know! I've bought several from them and they are all excellent.
    >>
    >> > Once in a while, someone will post an "I bought Bill Lawrence
    >> > pickups and they sucked!" post. Invariably, these are the other
    >> > ones.

    >>
    >> But I've never actually seen such a message. I asked a question here to
    >> that effect but didn't ever get a real answer. Ethical questions aside,
    >> do the bogus Bill Lawrence pickups actually sound bad? Can anyone speak
    >> from experience - best would be a side-by-side comparison - and not
    >> from simply a position of defending the Lawrences?

    >
    >Like I've said before, I've used the L-250 pickups by the folks at
    >www.billlawrenceusa.com for the last 16 years and love them. Both
    >companies make great pickups, but the only pickups the two make in
    >common are the L-500 / L-500XL series, full size humbuckers with
    >blades. Only the www.billlawrenceusa.com folks make the single-bladed
    >L-250 (Strat- and Tele-sized humbucker)


    For now. Stay tuned!

    >and the Black Label
    >single-coil pickups.


    Awful quality -- the Black
    Label knockoffs along with
    the ugly open-coil "S"
    pickups have pole pieces
    that look like they were
    cut to length with a dull
    meat cleaver. "Design"
    is only the beginning of
    quality; proper
    manufacturing with the
    correct materials and
    unfailing attention to
    detail is completely and
    obviously absent from
    these unauthorized "Bill
    Lawrence" pickups.
    They're not even up to
    minimal commercial
    quality criteria, let
    alone BL's much higher
    standards.

    >And only Bill makes the double-bladed L-250, the
    >L-280 / L-290 noiseless Strat-style pickups w/poles, as well as a
    >number of other humbucker sized pickups.


    True.
    >
    >If you want to know how they sound, you should just buy some from
    >www.billlawrenceusa.com, try them out and see for yourself.


    Why would anyone do that
    knowing the severe
    ethical and technical
    shortcomings of the
    manufacturer? Is this a
    "support your local
    thieving tax evader"
    campaign?


    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"

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