AKG 451/CK-1 question

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Gantt Mann Kushner, Aug 21, 2003.

  1. I just had my beloved AKG 451's repaired by AKG in Nashville. They both
    needed new capsules.
    The CK-1 is no longer available so they used CK-66 capsules. Can anyone
    share any experience
    w/ the CK-66? Am I gonna be bummed when I get these mics back?

    Thanks,

    Gantt
  2. david

    david Guest

    In article <3F444C67.363B10FE@his.com>, Gantt Mann Kushner
    <gizmo@his.com> wrote:

    > I just had my beloved AKG 451's repaired by AKG in Nashville. They both
    > needed new capsules.
    > The CK-1 is no longer available so they used CK-66 capsules. Can anyone
    > share any experience
    > w/ the CK-66? Am I gonna be bummed when I get these mics back?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Gantt



    Is this true? I thought they still sent back a CK-1?



    David Correia
    Celebration Sound
    Warren, Rhode Island

    CelebrationSound@aol.com
    www.CelebrationSound.com
  3. Gantt Mann Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message news:<3F444C67.363B10FE@his.com>...
    > I just had my beloved AKG 451's repaired by AKG in Nashville. They both
    > needed new capsules.
    > The CK-1 is no longer available so they used CK-66 capsules. Can anyone
    > share any experience
    > w/ the CK-66? Am I gonna be bummed when I get these mics back?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Gantt


    >Hi.

    I don't know much about the new capsule, but if you are unhappy with
    the result, get a B.L.U.E. lollipop to replace the capsule and you
    will have a tuned c-12 capsule sitting on top of your mike giving it
    quite a sound. Comes close to my U-87i MT in cardioid pattern.
    Regards,
    R. Morrow
    Purely Analog
  4. Is this a true fact? How much do they cost?

    gantt

    Richard Morrow wrote:

    > Gantt Mann Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message news:<3F444C67.363B10FE@his.com>...
    > > I just had my beloved AKG 451's repaired by AKG in Nashville. They both
    > > needed new capsules.
    > > The CK-1 is no longer available so they used CK-66 capsules. Can anyone
    > > share any experience
    > > w/ the CK-66? Am I gonna be bummed when I get these mics back?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Gantt

    >
    > >Hi.

    > I don't know much about the new capsule, but if you are unhappy with
    > the result, get a B.L.U.E. lollipop to replace the capsule and you
    > will have a tuned c-12 capsule sitting on top of your mike giving it
    > quite a sound. Comes close to my U-87i MT in cardioid pattern.
    > Regards,
    > R. Morrow
    > Purely Analog
  5. Do you know of a good source for the B6 capsule only?
    chuck robertson

    "Richard Morrow" <rbmrocket@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:13bb29a2.0308210310.36e58732@posting.google.com...
    > Gantt Mann Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message

    news:<3F444C67.363B10FE@his.com>...
    > > I just had my beloved AKG 451's repaired by AKG in Nashville. They both
    > > needed new capsules.
    > > The CK-1 is no longer available so they used CK-66 capsules. Can anyone
    > > share any experience
    > > w/ the CK-66? Am I gonna be bummed when I get these mics back?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Gantt

    >
    > >Hi.

    > I don't know much about the new capsule, but if you are unhappy with
    > the result, get a B.L.U.E. lollipop to replace the capsule and you
    > will have a tuned c-12 capsule sitting on top of your mike giving it
    > quite a sound. Comes close to my U-87i MT in cardioid pattern.
    > Regards,
    > R. Morrow
    > Purely Analog
  6. It's too late. They did the repair and shipped it.

    Gantt

    see12mic@hotmail.com wrote:

    > They should repair your cap to spec. Accept nothing less, or move on
    > to a dozen repairmen who'll do ya right.
    >
    > Gantt Mann Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message news:<3F444C67.363B10FE@his.com>...
    > > I just had my beloved AKG 451's repaired by AKG in Nashville. They both
    > > needed new capsules.
    > > The CK-1 is no longer available so they used CK-66 capsules. Can anyone
    > > share any experience
    > > w/ the CK-66? Am I gonna be bummed when I get these mics back?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Gantt
  7. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    In article <3F44BC00.B346D806@his.com> gizmo@his.com writes:

    > Is this a true fact? How much do they cost?


    Quite a bit more than having your C451 capsule replaced. This is
    pretty much getting a whole new mic, quite unlike the C451. I was
    willing to do this to one of my three Beyer M260s that needed a new
    ribbon when Stephen Sank suggested putting in an RCA 77 ribbon. This
    completely changed the mic and now I have two M260s and almost a 77DX.
    But if you need a C451, you won't get it with the C12-like BLUE
    capsule. I'm told that this is an excellent combination if you're
    ready to give up a C451, or supplement it by changing the capsule.


    > > I don't know much about the new capsule, but if you are unhappy with
    > > the result, get a B.L.U.E. lollipop to replace the capsule





    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  8. Charles Robertson, Psy.D. wrote:
    >
    >> I don't know much about the new capsule, but if you are unhappy with
    >> the result, get a B.L.U.E. lollipop to replace the capsule and you
    >> will have a tuned c-12 capsule sitting on top of your mike giving it
    >> quite a sound. Comes close to my U-87i MT in cardioid pattern.

    >
    >
    > Do you know of a good source for the B6 capsule only?
    > chuck robertson


    http://www.bluerestorationstore.com/lollipop_larg_dia.html
  9. David Satz

    David Satz Guest

    Gantt Mann Kushner wrote:

    > I just had my beloved AKG 451's repaired by AKG in Nashville.
    > They both needed new capsules. The CK-1 is no longer available so
    > they used CK-66 capsules.


    That is odd--six or eight months ago I had a C 451 / CK 1 repaired
    by AKG in Nashville, and they definitely worked on (repaired) the
    capsule for me, at very reasonable cost.

    --best regards
  10. Just a few notes from my experience: I've had four 451/CK1's all were
    sent to AKG Nashville for servicing, I kept the 2 that were close
    sonicly. The caps were recorded before and after the work, the
    character remained the same on 3 of them, those had output (amp)
    issues mostly, the 4th was dull, and was made to sound like the
    others.
    If they are using a new capsule design, it's really, really close to
    the CK1, and I would forget worrying about it, unless you just don't
    like it. I have had some good friends in the ranks of AKG and it
    strikes me that these guys would not reinvent the wheel without good
    reason. The exceptions are the new "tube" line. And their reason was
    to make a lot of money on history. But the 451 is not a tube mic.
    It's capsule was introduced "after" AKG became a mass production
    oriented company. They have also "reissued" the 451, presumably to
    those wishing that sound. (I know it's a fixed head model). So
    switching doesn't make sense.
    If you sent in a C12 for a replacement capsule, well, you'd get the
    teflon version and you'd be pissed, but you wouldn't because you read
    rec.audio. They did a really nice job on my 451's, and worked hard to
    match them up.

    Next, I own the B6 lolli, go to the BLUE site and see if they are
    still on sale at $450. Worth every penny. These are really cool mics.
    Terrific on background vocals, perfect lead for the right voice. Great
    on acoustic guitar. I used to have access to an early 414 which had
    the C12 brass capsule. And this combo comes closer to that sound that
    any 414's that came later. I a/b'd with a pal's 414TL, which I thought
    was a pretty good mic, and we both prefered the 451/Blue on vocal and
    guitar. Similar sound, but the 414 was "boxier".

    Anyone out there get a lolli with the "M7" soundalike capsule? I was
    curious how that would sound...

    see12mic

    Gantt Mann Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message news:<3F44DE3E.7BFE93F1@his.com>...
    > It's too late. They did the repair and shipped it.
    >
    > Gantt
    >
    > see12mic@hotmail.com wrote:
    >
    > > They should repair your cap to spec. Accept nothing less, or move on
    > > to a dozen repairmen who'll do ya right.
    > >
    > > Gantt Mann Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message news:<3F444C67.363B10FE@his.com>...
    > > > I just had my beloved AKG 451's repaired by AKG in Nashville. They both
    > > > needed new capsules.
    > > > The CK-1 is no longer available so they used CK-66 capsules. Can anyone
    > > > share any experience
    > > > w/ the CK-66? Am I gonna be bummed when I get these mics back?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks,
    > > >
    > > > Gantt
  11. see12mic@hotmail.com wrote:
    >
    > I have had some good friends in the ranks of AKG and it
    > strikes me that these guys would not reinvent the wheel without good
    > reason. The exceptions are the new "tube" line. And their reason was
    > to make a lot of money on history. But the 451 is not a tube mic.
    > It's capsule was introduced "after" AKG became a mass production
    > oriented company.


    AFAIR the 451 used hand-finished capsules and the serious automation
    didn't set in until the C460B era.



    > Next, I own the B6 lolli, go to the BLUE site and see if they are
    > still on sale at $450. Worth every penny. These are really cool mics.
    > Terrific on background vocals, perfect lead for the right voice. Great
    > on acoustic guitar. I used to have access to an early 414 which had
    > the C12 brass capsule. And this combo comes closer to that sound that
    > any 414's that came later. I a/b'd with a pal's 414TL, which I thought
    > was a pretty good mic, and we both prefered the 451/Blue on vocal and
    > guitar. Similar sound, but the 414 was "boxier".


    I'm hoping to try Hank Alrich's B.L.U.E. lollipop capsule on one of my
    modified C460B bodies this Fall.



    > Anyone out there get a lolli with the "M7" soundalike capsule? I was
    > curious how that would sound...


    I'm also interested in the differences between these.
  12. Gantt Mann Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:

    > Is this a true fact? How much do they cost?


    I think he's referring to the Blue B6 and B7 capsules, which are said to
    mimic, respectively, the C-12 and the M-7 caps. I have the B6; I think
    it's mighty fun and fine with a C451 amp. One of these days Kurt
    Albershardt will bring over a Jim Williams' modded 460 for comparison.

    --
    hank alrich * secret mountain
    audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
    "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
  13. Charles Robertson, Psy.D. <crobertson@cox-internet.com> wrote:

    > Do you know of a good source for the B6 capsule only?
    > chuck robertson


    I bought mine directly from Blue a few years ago.

    --
    hank alrich * secret mountain
    audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
    "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
  14. John

    John Guest

    >> Do you know of a good source for the B6 capsule only?
    >> chuck robertson

    >
    >I bought mine directly from Blue a few years ago.


    I just bought one from the Blue Restoration Store (www.bluemic.com) about a
    month ago, for $450. I'll agree with Hank's previous posts - a great mic, and
    really great for the investment (which for me, included an Ebay-purchased 451e
    preamp for $150 or so).

    John
  15. I've heard horror stories about people sending in their C12a's and
    getting them back with new teflon capsules. Apparently the service
    department at AKG likes to keep the hard-to-find originals. I wonder
    if that's the deal with your CK-1's as well? Maybe they needed a
    little work, so AKG gave you some cheap new ones and pocketed the old
    CK-1's to refurb and sell. If I were to send an old mike to AKG, I
    would insist in advance that all removed parts be returned to me.

    ulysses

    In article <3F444C67.363B10FE@his.com>, Gantt Mann Kushner
    <gizmo@his.com> wrote:

    > I just had my beloved AKG 451's repaired by AKG in Nashville. They both
    > needed new capsules.
    > The CK-1 is no longer available so they used CK-66 capsules. Can anyone
    > share any experience
    > w/ the CK-66? Am I gonna be bummed when I get these mics back?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Gantt
    >
  16. Ty Ford

    Ty Ford Guest

    In Article <230820030405104472%ulysses@rollmusic.com>, Justin Ulysses Morse
    <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:
    >I've heard horror stories about people sending in their C12a's and
    >getting them back with new teflon capsules. Apparently the service
    >department at AKG likes to keep the hard-to-find originals. I wonder
    >if that's the deal with your CK-1's as well? Maybe they needed a
    >little work, so AKG gave you some cheap new ones and pocketed the old
    >CK-1's to refurb and sell. If I were to send an old mike to AKG, I
    >would insist in advance that all removed parts be returned to me.
    >
    >ulysses


    Dear U,

    I researched this and have contacted AKG about this several years ago. Since
    then this "horror story" has come back to haunt this newsgroup on at least
    two occasions of which I am aware. There may have been more.

    Sarita Stewart and Norbert Sobol at AKG had never heard the story. Sarita
    had been there (AKG US) about six years. Norbert has been there almost
    forever, albeit in Germany. They were somewhat amazed by the story and we
    sat around drinking coffee at NAB discussing the rumor and many other things
    microphonic. Their response was "Huh?"

    Details of the event are never clear. Did the mic sent in for repair have a
    totally crapped out capsule that was unfixable? Was any mention made of any
    communication other than fix the mic? In the absence of any other
    communication, if the best way to fix a mic with a shot capsule at a certain
    price was to replace the capsule, the only course of action would been to
    replace the capsule.

    To the anticipated thought, "Any capsule is rebuildable", I respond, maybe,
    but at what price.

    Your sentences, "Apparently the service department at AKG likes to keep the
    hard-to-find originals....Maybe they needed a little work, so AKG gave you
    some cheap new ones and pocketed the old CK-1's to refurb and sell." are
    particularly bothersome because they imply that this "practice" is ongoing.
    If the capsules were refurbished to sell, why is it that we haven't heard
    about them being sold?

    Your efforts to breathe life into what may have happend once (or even
    several times) 10 or 15 years ago and without any details regarding the
    complete story makes you guilty of being a rumor monger. I've come to expect
    so much more from you and will again in the near future.

    Regards,

    Ty Ford


    For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
    click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford
  17. Ty Ford <tford@jagunet.com> wrote:

    > Dear U,
    >
    > Your efforts to breathe life into what may have happend once (or even
    > several times) 10 or 15 years ago and without any details regarding the
    > complete story makes you guilty of being a rumor monger. I've come to expect
    > so much more from you and will again in the near future.



    Yeah, okay. My sorry.

    ulysses

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