Another MIDI drum question...

Discussion in 'General Sequencing' started by ZelRiptha, Nov 13, 2002.

  1. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    I don't think this can be done, but I've wanted to lately...

    Is there any way to pan different parts of the trap set out left or right while keeping snare, bass, etc. centered? For example, I'd like to have some hand claps hard right, some lighter claps hard left, and keep the rest of the kit center. The problem is that some of these events are simultaneous - and all on channel 10. Is there a way to force another MIDI channel to play percussion sounds? That would solve this problem neatly. Any ideas? TIA.

    ZR
  2. BOOsTER

    BOOsTER New Member

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    When I do mastering ...I usually use reality by SeerMusic Systems (www.seermusic.com) and there is allowed to edit each zone of a midi instrument...So you can edit piano from example in zone from C3 - A3...and since drumkits are only sounds mapped to notes I can edit each zone of a drumset itself... I think this is possible in Cubase (not Sure) I'm a Cakewalker and really I dunno about any way in this proggie...sorry...
  3. Ralph'e'

    Ralph'e' www.ralphe.tk

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    When I do mastering, i mix a bit of "MIDI technology" with "Sequencers." I use FruityLoops 3, just throw the MIDI in as a channel and play around with the notation, so much you can do, and panning is one of them!

    However, Fruity does not come cheap. 400NZ$
    Other sequencers are Logic, Cubase.
    But only get into the sequencer business if you are in the MP3-making business.
  4. voice of god

    voice of god Prodigal Pyjamas Pervert Staff Member Super Mod

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    well i dont know if these guys answered ur question.

    But to my knowledge you cant do it Zel, coz as u said its all on channel 10.

    Lemme know if u find a way
  5. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    I may just try some effect sounds instead of claps (113-127) and see if they still sound decent. Otherwise, I may have to do without the pans, 'cause it's distracting as hell to have the snare shots bouncing hard left occasionally.

    I think both those answers involved the digital recording process, which isn't what I'm after. I'm hoping for a pure MIDI solution.
  6. BrothersGrim

    BrothersGrim New Member

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    Drum panning

    Some midi boards will allow you to assign a drum track to a midi channel other than 10. I also think Cakewalk pro will allow this in software also. You can assign a midi channel to play a percussion part. Here is something I have also done in the past. If your sequencing software will allow you to record digital audio, you can kill or mute everything in your song except the part you want to change. Record your file with sound forge or some other recording app and then import it as a wave file. I do this a lot because I can EQ separate parts of my drum track. Cymbals are a good example. I process reverb really heave and then import the crashes as a wav file. Just a suggestion.
  7. Stilcrazy

    Stilcrazy Just a Regular Midi Guy

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    Bros Grim ... good suggestion ... I will try it ..
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    I don't really think that ads of this kind should be here... :(
    hmmz :p
  9. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    Hrm, yeah, Voice, Flea? Is that ^^ sort of thing allowed? I think he blasted i through several forums here...
  10. voice of god

    voice of god Prodigal Pyjamas Pervert Staff Member Super Mod

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    no prob, its gooooone.

    any bad posts, just report em by clicking on Report, under the offending post;)

    together we can make the streets safer:thumbsup:

    my work here is done

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  11. BOOsTER

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    /me knows about the report thing

    but I was not really sure if it's really against the rules here :))

    Greets

    and thanks to Voice of god :)
  12. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    Arr, thanks for the reminder and clean-up, Voice :).
  13. lostdave

    lostdave 'EVIL' Mod

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    Hang about.....
    In the world of MIDI ...(almost) ANYTHING is possible....
    lets establish some facts first.

    ZR,
    1.what software are you using?
    2.What are you using for a sound module?
    3.How quick is your PC?

    Dave
  14. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    1. Cakewalk Home Studio 6.0
    2. Yamaha DB50XG
    3. It's my older PC at the moment, PII400, 128MB RAM

    I tried setting off the hits temporally, but that just messes up the sound; plus claps, hits, etc. ring out for a few milliseconds...

    You have an idea?
  15. lostdave

    lostdave 'EVIL' Mod

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    Yes I have an idea.(forgot I responded to this thread...you should have remindededed me!!!!!)

    use Hubi Midi Loopback virtual cable(if ya need it let me know...it's shareware)

    and use somthing like fruity loop(which will sync to cakewalk)

    that way you can use sampled drums and pan them how ever you like.

    Option 2
    Do you have a SB live card??

    Find a good drum kit that you like as an SF2..use Voyetra or awave..edit the bank to suit and use that instead of the yamaha drums(unles you can actually edit the kit on the yamaha(which from memory you can't)


    Dave
  16. Ronny

    Ronny Midi Mad Super Mod! Staff Member Super Mod

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    Is the best option not simply to split the drum track into the seperate channels you need?

    Drums - channel 10

    Hand Clap channel 11

    etc....

    Then pan away till your heats content!!
  17. lostdave

    lostdave 'EVIL' Mod

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    ronny,
    Most Synths(ZR's In particular) will not allow you to run Drums on anything other than ch10

    and even if you split notes to tracks and try to pan them out, it will pan the whole kit as you are only dealing with one MIDI channel.


    Dave
  18. ZelRiptha

    ZelRiptha Thnow White but I drifted Staff Member Super Mod

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    I think I see what you mean Dave. I was just hoping to be able to arrive at a solution that would allow me to save a MIDI file that you (or anyone) could play on your system and have it sound right. I will be able to produce the correct audio result and make an MP3 or whatever, but if I'm doing audio processing, then I can just make several WAVs and process them however negating the need for special MIDI considerations (I think). Does that make sense? I'm guessing it's impossible to make a MIDI file that any Joe Blow can play on his system and hear different simultaneous drum sounds panned differently. Thanks for your diligence, patience, and brain-power :).
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2002
  19. lostdave

    lostdave 'EVIL' Mod

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    Your assumption is correct...In most GM gear it is near impossible to overide the default settings. Unfortunatly that is the way Of GM.

    Yes from an audio standpoint...hell ya can do anything...
    For Instance, Because I play my drums in live, I record all my midi drums onto one track, then run the notes to tracks CAL in cakewalk, then record them in 1-4 @ a time(depending on how many ins and outs I have free etc etc) then pan it out how ever I like eq, compress and process as needed.


    Dave
  20. Ronny

    Ronny Midi Mad Super Mod! Staff Member Super Mod

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    Dave, not trying to be argumentative but I have split drums to various track. A typical example is when a midi has no intro I have to generally put in a 4 beat hit hat. I usually put it in channel 16 cos in most songs nothing much happens up around there.

    I assume, though I've never tried it, that I can pan away.:confused2

    Must have a go a splitting a drum track when I'm home. I'll post what happens.

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