anti-social guitar stores

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by Roose, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. Roose

    Roose Guest

    Every so often I walk into a store that seems like it just doesn't care to
    sell you anything. Anyone else noticed this?

    I don't really care, because I have plenty of options, but I always wonder
    how they stay in business, seriously. I went to this store today, and first
    of all, you can't see any guitars from the outside. There is a big black
    GATE, and you have to press a button to be let in the store. How inviting
    is that for customers? Then I get in there, and there is NO ONE THERE,
    except for 3 guys who work there, and me. They don't even say hi, or ask if
    I can be helped. I looked around and left after about 5 minutes, wasn't
    really my style anyway.

    Are these guys not into making money or what? I guess I would assume that
    they only sell to celebrities or something. But the guitars there weren't
    really high end or anything. They didn't have any $199 guitars like guitar
    center, but they had a bunch of $400 guitars that they were selling for
    $550. The rest were like your average gibsons and PRS and whatnot, nothing
    above $2000-$3000. I don't understand how they can pay 3 guys to sit behind
    the counter and pick their asses all day with the store behind a big black
    gate. Maybe it's a front for drugs or something.
  2. "Roose" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
    news:kUc3b.8425$Sz4.4874@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
    > Every so often I walk into a store that seems like it just doesn't care to
    > sell you anything. Anyone else noticed this?
    >
    > I don't really care, because I have plenty of options, but I always wonder
    > how they stay in business, seriously. I went to this store today, and

    first
    > of all, you can't see any guitars from the outside. There is a big black
    > GATE, and you have to press a button to be let in the store. How inviting
    > is that for customers? Then I get in there, and there is NO ONE THERE,
    > except for 3 guys who work there, and me. They don't even say hi, or ask

    if
    > I can be helped. I looked around and left after about 5 minutes, wasn't
    > really my style anyway.
    >
    > Are these guys not into making money or what? I guess I would assume that
    > they only sell to celebrities or something. But the guitars there weren't
    > really high end or anything. They didn't have any $199 guitars like

    guitar
    > center, but they had a bunch of $400 guitars that they were selling for
    > $550. The rest were like your average gibsons and PRS and whatnot,

    nothing
    > above $2000-$3000. I don't understand how they can pay 3 guys to sit

    behind
    > the counter and pick their asses all day with the store behind a big black
    > gate. Maybe it's a front for drugs or something.
    >
    >


    sounds like it's run by a bunch of Nihilist carpetwetters. we used to have a
    store like that here, but it's gone now.
  3. AJ

    AJ Guest

    I've actually noticed most guitar/music stores getting nicer. Several local
    ones will let you grab just about anything off the wall, play it, and not
    hassle ya. I think they realize that in this day of online stores and
    auctions that customer service can be their only edge over the competition.
    Any brick and mortar store with crappy service probably won't be around
    forever..


    "Roose" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
    news:kUc3b.8425$Sz4.4874@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
    > Every so often I walk into a store that seems like it just doesn't care to
    > sell you anything. Anyone else noticed this?
    >
    > I don't really care, because I have plenty of options, but I always wonder
    > how they stay in business, seriously. I went to this store today, and

    first
    > of all, you can't see any guitars from the outside. There is a big black
    > GATE, and you have to press a button to be let in the store. How inviting
    > is that for customers? Then I get in there, and there is NO ONE THERE,
    > except for 3 guys who work there, and me. They don't even say hi, or ask

    if
    > I can be helped. I looked around and left after about 5 minutes, wasn't
    > really my style anyway.
    >
    > Are these guys not into making money or what? I guess I would assume that
    > they only sell to celebrities or something. But the guitars there weren't
    > really high end or anything. They didn't have any $199 guitars like

    guitar
    > center, but they had a bunch of $400 guitars that they were selling for
    > $550. The rest were like your average gibsons and PRS and whatnot,

    nothing
    > above $2000-$3000. I don't understand how they can pay 3 guys to sit

    behind
    > the counter and pick their asses all day with the store behind a big black
    > gate. Maybe it's a front for drugs or something.
    >
    >
  4. Atlas

    Atlas Guest

  5. Greg B

    Greg B Guest

    "Roose" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:<kUc3b.8425$Sz4.4874@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...
    > Every so often I walk into a store that seems like it just doesn't care to
    > sell you anything. Anyone else noticed this?


    Only in every Guitar Center I've ever visited.

    I'm going to take little mom and pop stores that can't afford to have
    any good quality stuff in stock out of the running. It's not their
    fault. They're just trying to survive. I buy all my strings at little
    private stores like that just to help support them.

    OK, worse store ever visited. The old Guitar Center in San Diego.
    Nobody seems to work there, You can't hear anything over the punkers
    and rockers playing through the Marshalls. I wanted to buy an effect
    rack and it took two guys 15 minutes to figure out how to plug it in.
    When I bought it they took another 45 minutes to verify that the gift
    certificate I used was real. The whole time I have to listen to
    johnny bashing out the chords to "I wanna be sedated".

    But that's pretty much the norm for any Guitar Center. If it wasn't
    for the gift certificate I would never have gone.

    Best guitar store ever. The Twelfth Fret on Danforth street in
    Toronto Canada. No doubt this is the best store I've ever been in.
    They have acoustic guitars from Rameriz classicals to Grit Laskin
    steel strings. Del Arte gypsy guitars as well as work from many local
    luthiers not to mention Taylor and Martin just so you can compare a
    real guitar to a factory guitar (IMHO). PRS, Fender and Gibson
    electrics as well. Upstairs is a full repair shop. The place is
    sweet. I've even seen banjos, dulcimers, and a Chapman Stick there.
    I was SO CLOSE to buying an Allan Beardsell guitar when I was there
    last time.

    Let's see, the next best would have to be the old Music Mart in San
    Diego back when it was upstairs near the pyrimid (everyone in San
    Diego knows what I mean by "the pyrimid". For the rest of you, it's
    just a strip mall). They use to be awesome. It's the ONLY place I've
    ever seen with a Bob Bennedetto guitar on the wall. And below that
    was American Archtop serial number #001 ! Lots of hand made guitars
    and boutique amps. They even had a stage where they would have
    concerts. Awesome place when it was around.
  6. Andy C

    Andy C Guest

    I dunno, even though Guitar Center is filled with obnoxious riffers and
    minimum wagers, I buy a lot more stuff there. You can often just pull stuff
    off the wall and play with it, rather than having to wait for some salesman.
    For all it's faults, I get the impression that they are there to actually
    move stuff, and will do a reasonable job of selling it to you. I've gotten
    some good deals there.

    On the other hand, the shops I'm talking about are all mom and pop... I have
    encountered 2 or 3, some back on the East Coast and this is the first one
    I've encountered since moving out West. Some of them have this snob thing
    going on, with all the real expensive guitars and NOBODY playing them. I
    think maybe as a music store owner you get bitter having to deal day in and
    day out with all the cheap musicians out there, maybe. I don't know what's
    up... I don't know why you have to have a GATE on your store in the middle
    of the day. It seems like common sense that during business hours you
    should find a way to remove the gate to make it look more inviting. I find
    it hard to believe that they couldn't use some extra customers now and then.

    "Greg B" <gbroulet@home.com> wrote in message
    news:65741c14.0308291450.6b41a87e@posting.google.com...
    > "Roose" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message

    news:<kUc3b.8425$Sz4.4874@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...
    > > Every so often I walk into a store that seems like it just doesn't care

    to
    > > sell you anything. Anyone else noticed this?

    >
    > Only in every Guitar Center I've ever visited.
    >
    > I'm going to take little mom and pop stores that can't afford to have
    > any good quality stuff in stock out of the running. It's not their
    > fault. They're just trying to survive. I buy all my strings at little
    > private stores like that just to help support them.
    >
    > OK, worse store ever visited. The old Guitar Center in San Diego.
    > Nobody seems to work there, You can't hear anything over the punkers
    > and rockers playing through the Marshalls. I wanted to buy an effect
    > rack and it took two guys 15 minutes to figure out how to plug it in.
    > When I bought it they took another 45 minutes to verify that the gift
    > certificate I used was real. The whole time I have to listen to
    > johnny bashing out the chords to "I wanna be sedated".
    >
    > But that's pretty much the norm for any Guitar Center. If it wasn't
    > for the gift certificate I would never have gone.
    >
    > Best guitar store ever. The Twelfth Fret on Danforth street in
    > Toronto Canada. No doubt this is the best store I've ever been in.
    > They have acoustic guitars from Rameriz classicals to Grit Laskin
    > steel strings. Del Arte gypsy guitars as well as work from many local
    > luthiers not to mention Taylor and Martin just so you can compare a
    > real guitar to a factory guitar (IMHO). PRS, Fender and Gibson
    > electrics as well. Upstairs is a full repair shop. The place is
    > sweet. I've even seen banjos, dulcimers, and a Chapman Stick there.
    > I was SO CLOSE to buying an Allan Beardsell guitar when I was there
    > last time.
    >
    > Let's see, the next best would have to be the old Music Mart in San
    > Diego back when it was upstairs near the pyrimid (everyone in San
    > Diego knows what I mean by "the pyrimid". For the rest of you, it's
    > just a strip mall). They use to be awesome. It's the ONLY place I've
    > ever seen with a Bob Bennedetto guitar on the wall. And below that
    > was American Archtop serial number #001 ! Lots of hand made guitars
    > and boutique amps. They even had a stage where they would have
    > concerts. Awesome place when it was around.
  7. David R

    David R Guest

    This is a BIG subject with me since music stores are my toy stores.
    There are some shops I go to where they have that snob thing going on,
    and at this stage of my life, I don't handle it real well. The acid
    test is when I take my boys, 9 and 11, who both play, into a store and
    watch the reaction of the guy behind the counter. If the guy gets all
    fidgety about it, I usually make comments about my boys being future
    consumers and all that.

    But I have to admit, it is usually to just look or to buy small items
    since I got hooked on e-bay and internet stores. Good example was the
    SWR amp I wanted for my kid. Guitar Center and Sam Ash both had it for
    the same price, but all they had were demos. I go on-line and find the
    same model from MF for 40 bucks cheaper, new out of the box. Even to
    this day, I always feel like music stores, especially strip mall and
    mom & pop stores are overpriced, which I understand. They have to make
    money, too.

    But two stores in Corona, California are actually pretty cool. No snob
    attitudes usually. Sam Ash in Ontario and Guitar Center in Rancho
    Cucamonga are okay depending on the guy that's helping you. A guy in
    the recording department at Sam Ash was awesome, totally helpful. A
    guy in the same department at Guitar Center couldn't have been
    bothered.
  8. John Robie

    John Robie Guest

    "David R" <ctsdrobbins@netscape.net> wrote in message
    news:6de0ce49.0308300828.294d0f10@posting.google.com...
    > This is a BIG subject with me since music stores are my toy stores.
    > There are some shops I go to where they have that snob thing going on,
    > and at this stage of my life, I don't handle it real well. The acid
    > test is when I take my boys, 9 and 11, who both play, into a store and
    > watch the reaction of the guy behind the counter. If the guy gets all
    > fidgety about it, I usually make comments about my boys being future
    > consumers and all that.
    >
    > But I have to admit, it is usually to just look or to buy small items
    > since I got hooked on e-bay and internet stores. Good example was the
    > SWR amp I wanted for my kid. Guitar Center and Sam Ash both had it for
    > the same price, but all they had were demos. I go on-line and find the
    > same model from MF for 40 bucks cheaper, new out of the box.


    musician's friend and guitar center are the same company


    Even to
    > this day, I always feel like music stores, especially strip mall and
    > mom & pop stores are overpriced, which I understand. They have to make
    > money, too.
    >
    > But two stores in Corona, California are actually pretty cool. No snob
    > attitudes usually. Sam Ash in Ontario and Guitar Center in Rancho
    > Cucamonga are okay depending on the guy that's helping you. A guy in
    > the recording department at Sam Ash was awesome, totally helpful. A
    > guy in the same department at Guitar Center couldn't have been
    > bothered.
  9. Andy C

    Andy C Guest

    > musician's friend and guitar center are the same company

    So? They still have different prices on some items... but you can haggle at
    GC.
  10. "Roose" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:<kUc3b.8425$Sz4.4874@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...
    > Every so often I walk into a store that seems like it just doesn't care to
    > sell you anything. Anyone else noticed this?
    >
    > I don't really care, because I have plenty of options, but I always wonder
    > how they stay in business, seriously. I went to this store today, and first
    > of all, you can't see any guitars from the outside. There is a big black
    > GATE, and you have to press a button to be let in the store. How inviting
    > is that for customers? Then I get in there, and there is NO ONE THERE,
    > except for 3 guys who work there, and me. They don't even say hi, or ask if
    > I can be helped. I looked around and left after about 5 minutes, wasn't
    > really my style anyway.
    >
    > Are these guys not into making money or what? I guess I would assume that
    > they only sell to celebrities or something. But the guitars there weren't
    > really high end or anything. They didn't have any $199 guitars like guitar
    > center, but they had a bunch of $400 guitars that they were selling for
    > $550. The rest were like your average gibsons and PRS and whatnot, nothing
    > above $2000-$3000. I don't understand how they can pay 3 guys to sit behind
    > the counter and pick their asses all day with the store behind a big black
    > gate. Maybe it's a front for drugs or something.


    It may be a front for something else, drugs or juice or whatever
    else...but, I really don't like being patronized by idiot commission
    salesmen.

    If they had good stuff, I'd probably prefer to just go about my
    business checking out the goods without the "help" of the salesmen.
    If I wanted to ask questions and the staff didn't respond, then I'd
    get a little upset, but otherwise I'd probably prefer the staff to
    stay behind the counter and not bother me unless I requested
    assistance.

    Josh
  11. Richard

    Richard Guest

    jbd4020@hotmail.com wrote...
    > "Roose" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:<kUc3b.8425$Sz4.4874@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...
    > > Every so often I walk into a store that seems like it just doesn't care to
    > > sell you anything. Anyone else noticed this?
    > >
    > > I don't really care, because I have plenty of options, but I always wonder
    > > how they stay in business, seriously. I went to this store today, and first
    > > of all, you can't see any guitars from the outside. There is a big black
    > > GATE, and you have to press a button to be let in the store. How inviting
    > > is that for customers? Then I get in there, and there is NO ONE THERE,
    > > except for 3 guys who work there, and me. They don't even say hi, or ask if
    > > I can be helped. I looked around and left after about 5 minutes, wasn't
    > > really my style anyway.


    30th Street Guitars?

    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  12. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "Andy C" <ayc8NOSPAM@cornell.edu> wrote in message
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    > > musician's friend and guitar center are the same company

    >
    > So? They still have different prices on some items... but you can haggle

    at
    > GC.
    >

    Yeah, GC's prices are marked up higher than MF, that way MF looks like
    it's giving you a deal, and then if you walk into GC you can haggle with the
    sales dewd so you think you're getting a deal there too. They're actually
    screwing you at both locations.

    ryanm

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