Current Manufacture vs Vintage Ludwig Supra Snares

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by Scott Swartz, Aug 27, 2003.

  1. Scott Swartz

    Scott Swartz Guest

    I am looking to buy a 6 1/2 x 14 Ludwig super sensitive snare, and the
    prices for an old one (oops, I mean "vintage") on ebay seem high.

    I could care less about vintage, and of course all the 70s ones have
    pitting.

    I would rather pay more and get a new one, as long as the shell and
    strainer are the same, I played an older one and really liked it.

    Has Ludwig changed anything on these? Its the same seamless shell,
    same lugs, etc at least visually.
  2. ramalane

    ramalane Guest

    "Scott Swartz" <scott_swartz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5a3af92.0308270631.4c1b617c@posting.google.com...
    : I am looking to buy a 6 1/2 x 14 Ludwig super sensitive snare, and the
    : prices for an old one (oops, I mean "vintage") on ebay seem high.
    :
    : I could care less about vintage, and of course all the 70s ones have
    : pitting.
    :
    : I would rather pay more and get a new one, as long as the shell and
    : strainer are the same, I played an older one and really liked it.
    :
    : Has Ludwig changed anything on these? Its the same seamless shell,
    : same lugs, etc at least visually.

    Check it out:

    http://www.ludwig-drums.com/products/feature/metal_snare.html

    /ramalane

    --
    "There is a plethora of collective knowledge and experience in here,
    from drummers and drum builders. So jump in and enjoy the party.
    Just don't piss in the water. :) " -MIKE-
  3. JJ

    JJ Guest

    I am also looking at buy a Supra and have read all the marketing hype on the Ludwig site.

    Does anyone here have experience with the current Supra manufacture??

    Specifically the "Brass Edition" series?

    Thanks !

    ramalane wrote:

    > "Scott Swartz" <scott_swartz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:5a3af92.0308270631.4c1b617c@posting.google.com...
    > : I am looking to buy a 6 1/2 x 14 Ludwig super sensitive snare, and the
    > : prices for an old one (oops, I mean "vintage") on ebay seem high.
    > :
    > : I could care less about vintage, and of course all the 70s ones have
    > : pitting.
    > :
    > : I would rather pay more and get a new one, as long as the shell and
    > : strainer are the same, I played an older one and really liked it.
    > :
    > : Has Ludwig changed anything on these? Its the same seamless shell,
    > : same lugs, etc at least visually.
    >
    > Check it out:
    >
    > http://www.ludwig-drums.com/products/feature/metal_snare.html
    >
    > /ramalane
    >
  4. TJ Hertz

    TJ Hertz Guest

    Scott Swartz wrote:
    > I am looking to buy a 6 1/2 x 14 Ludwig super sensitive snare, and the
    > prices for an old one (oops, I mean "vintage") on ebay seem high.
    >
    > I could care less about vintage, and of course all the 70s ones have
    > pitting.
    >
    > I would rather pay more and get a new one, as long as the shell and
    > strainer are the same, I played an older one and really liked it.
    >
    > Has Ludwig changed anything on these? Its the same seamless shell,
    > same lugs, etc at least visually.


    AFAIK, they're pretty much the same - people just go for the older ones
    because they're cheap and just as good. I might be wrong.

    --
    TJ Hertz
    http://www.whatyourenot.com
  5. ramalane

    ramalane Guest

    "JJ" <scaldeddog@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
    news:Oa53b.35318$r15.1229535@twister.southeast.rr.com...
    : I am also looking at buy a Supra and have read all the marketing hype on
    the Ludwig site.

    "Marketing hype" on a specs page? LMAO!

    :
    : Does anyone here have experience with the current Supra manufacture??
    :
    : Specifically the "Brass Edition" series?

    Go down to your local Ludwig dealer and ask them to let you play one since
    you have a need for experience; however, I doubt that *you* would be able to
    tell the difference between a 402 and an acrolite. But FWIW I'd stay away
    from a brass finish and get a COB instead.

    /ramalane

    --
    Church of the Swimming Elephant
    http://www.cotse.com
    Have you been to church today?
  6. ramalane

    ramalane Guest

    "TJ Hertz" <tjhertz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:biip08$9ns6c$1@ID-125401.news.uni-berlin.de...
    : Scott Swartz wrote:
    : > I am looking to buy a 6 1/2 x 14 Ludwig super sensitive snare, and the
    : > prices for an old one (oops, I mean "vintage") on ebay seem high.
    : >
    : > I could care less about vintage, and of course all the 70s ones have
    : > pitting.
    : >
    : > I would rather pay more and get a new one, as long as the shell and
    : > strainer are the same, I played an older one and really liked it.
    : >
    : > Has Ludwig changed anything on these? Its the same seamless shell,
    : > same lugs, etc at least visually.
    :
    : AFAIK, they're pretty much the same - people just go for the older ones
    : because they're cheap and just as good. I might be wrong.

    The American-made shells are; you can get different hoops, strainers, and
    lugs though. Some of the older "vintage" shells are bringing in big $$$.
    (I bought the WorldMax Black Dawg and Black Hawg last week out of eBay
    burn-out...but not before I pick-ed up a little NOB Ludwig piccolo.)

    [Stay away from the seamed Taiwanese import aluminum cans.]

    /ramalane

    --
    Church of the Swimming Elephant
    http://www.cotse.com
    Have you been to church today?
  7. Sam Savoca

    Sam Savoca Guest

    "ramalane" <ramalane@ramalaneTINR.com> wrote in message
    news:dG53b.58362$zz3.37977@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
    >
    > "JJ" <scaldeddog@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
    > news:Oa53b.35318$r15.1229535@twister.southeast.rr.com...
    > : I am also looking at buy a Supra and have read all the marketing hype on
    > the Ludwig site.
    >
    > "Marketing hype" on a specs page? LMAO!
    >
    > :
    > : Does anyone here have experience with the current Supra manufacture??
    > :
    > : Specifically the "Brass Edition" series?
    >
    > Go down to your local Ludwig dealer and ask them to let you play one since
    > you have a need for experience; however, I doubt that *you* would be able

    to
    > tell the difference between a 402 and an acrolite. But FWIW I'd stay away
    > from a brass finish and get a COB instead.
    >
    > /ramalane
    >
    > --
    > Church of the Swimming Elephant
    > http://www.cotse.com
    > Have you been to church today?


    Good luck finding a Ludwig dealer that stocks anything. Their dealer
    network is the worst.

    FYI, The Brass Edition is COB.

    http://www.ludwig-drums.com/products/snares/brassed.html


    Sam S.
  8. ramalane

    ramalane Guest

    "Sam Savoca" <maxomega@erols.com> wrote in message
    news:biirsf$9rmbp$1@ID-169713.news.uni-berlin.de...
    :
    : "ramalane" <ramalane@ramalaneTINR.com> wrote in message
    : news:dG53b.58362$zz3.37977@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
    : >
    : > "JJ" <scaldeddog@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
    : > news:Oa53b.35318$r15.1229535@twister.southeast.rr.com...
    : > : I am also looking at buy a Supra and have read all the marketing hype
    on
    : > the Ludwig site.
    : >
    : > "Marketing hype" on a specs page? LMAO!
    : >
    : > :
    : > : Does anyone here have experience with the current Supra manufacture??
    : > :
    : > : Specifically the "Brass Edition" series?
    : >
    : > Go down to your local Ludwig dealer and ask them to let you play one
    since
    : > you have a need for experience; however, I doubt that *you* would be
    able
    : to
    : > tell the difference between a 402 and an acrolite. But FWIW I'd stay
    away
    : > from a brass finish and get a COB instead.
    : >
    : > /ramalane
    : >
    : > --
    : > Church of the Swimming Elephant
    : > http://www.cotse.com
    : > Have you been to church today?
    :
    : Good luck finding a Ludwig dealer that stocks anything. Their dealer
    : network is the worst.

    That's the truth! I went to a store two weeks ago that used to be a big
    Ludwig dealer and they didn't have a Ludwig in the place. Come to think of
    it the kid tried to sell me a 13" clear Ludwig batter head for my Ludwig
    maple piccolo and got offended when I said, "No."

    :
    : FYI, The Brass Edition is COB.
    :
    : http://www.ludwig-drums.com/products/snares/brassed.html

    I know. I bid on a Ludwig Brass Edition on ebay last week...Lost the
    auction, dammit....oh, well....

    My mind was on the hammered brass shells I've seen on ebay lately (and I'm
    not even sure if they were Ludwig or not.)

    /ramalane

    --
    "www.hpshopping.com, of course. Now this makes my posting at work, work." -
    Glenn Dowdy in rmmp
  9. nick amoroso

    nick amoroso Guest

    >
    >
    >I am also looking at buy a Supra and have read all the marketing hype on the
    >Ludwig site.
    >
    >Does anyone here have experience with the current Supra manufacture??
    >
    >Specifically the "Brass Edition" series?
    >
    >Thanks !


    my 6.5x14 brass edition with tube lugs was one of the few snare drums that i
    truly regret selling. i may be buying one again soon. excellent drum.

    peace,
    :nick amoroso:
    professional drums and instruction
    proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
    -----
    "punching stuff rules" ~ dan radin
    "click click bloody click pancakes!" ~ stewie
  10. JJ

    JJ Guest

    Thanks for the smartass reply ramalane... that's why I hate posting to newsgroups...

    FWIW - "Back by popular demand, Ludwig has re-introduced an American legend, with the Vintage Brass Shell/Chrome Plated Supra-phonic snare drum. This drum is heavy and has a sound that is famous." Equals marketing hype in my book...

    and yes I'm sure *I* can tell the difference in sound between an Acrolite and a Supraphonic IF my Ludwig dealer had ANY in stock... I was asking if anyone had played one and had an opinion about it because they had ZERO Ludwig snares in stock...

    I was not looking for comments on my post...

    ramalane wrote:

    > "JJ" <scaldeddog@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
    > news:Oa53b.35318$r15.1229535@twister.southeast.rr.com...
    > : I am also looking at buy a Supra and have read all the marketing hype on
    > the Ludwig site.
    >
    > "Marketing hype" on a specs page? LMAO!
    >
    > :
    > : Does anyone here have experience with the current Supra manufacture??
    > :
    > : Specifically the "Brass Edition" series?
    >
    > Go down to your local Ludwig dealer and ask them to let you play one since
    > you have a need for experience; however, I doubt that *you* would be able to
    > tell the difference between a 402 and an acrolite. But FWIW I'd stay away
    > from a brass finish and get a COB instead.
    >
    > /ramalane
    >
  11. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Scott Swartz wrote:

    > I am looking to buy a 6 1/2 x 14 Ludwig super sensitive snare, and the
    > prices for an old one (oops, I mean "vintage") on ebay seem high.
    >
    > I could care less about vintage, and of course all the 70s ones have
    > pitting.
    >
    > I would rather pay more and get a new one, as long as the shell and
    > strainer are the same, I played an older one and really liked it.
    >
    > Has Ludwig changed anything on these? Its the same seamless shell,
    > same lugs, etc at least visually.


    These sell for about $250.00 on Ebay from what I have seen.


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  12. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Sam Savoca wrote:

    > "ramalane" <ramalane@ramalaneTINR.com> wrote in message
    > news:dG53b.58362$zz3.37977@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
    > >
    > > "JJ" <scaldeddog@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
    > > news:Oa53b.35318$r15.1229535@twister.southeast.rr.com...
    > > : I am also looking at buy a Supra and have read all the marketing hype on
    > > the Ludwig site.
    > >
    > > "Marketing hype" on a specs page? LMAO!
    > >
    > > :
    > > : Does anyone here have experience with the current Supra manufacture??
    > > :
    > > : Specifically the "Brass Edition" series?
    > >
    > > Go down to your local Ludwig dealer and ask them to let you play one since
    > > you have a need for experience; however, I doubt that *you* would be able

    > to
    > > tell the difference between a 402 and an acrolite. But FWIW I'd stay away
    > > from a brass finish and get a COB instead.
    > >
    > > /ramalane
    > >
    > > --
    > > Church of the Swimming Elephant
    > > http://www.cotse.com
    > > Have you been to church today?

    >
    > Good luck finding a Ludwig dealer that stocks anything. Their dealer
    > network is the worst.
    >
    > FYI, The Brass Edition is COB.
    >
    > http://www.ludwig-drums.com/products/snares/brassed.html
    >
    > Sam S.


    Ludwig does not make a brass finish. I wonder where this Ramalan guy gets this
    stuff?


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  13. Generally the consensus is the vintage ones are cheaper but often no less
    better. So basically the new ones are more expensive for pretty much the
    same thing.

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "Scott Swartz" <scott_swartz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5a3af92.0308270631.4c1b617c@posting.google.com...
    > I am looking to buy a 6 1/2 x 14 Ludwig super sensitive snare, and the
    > prices for an old one (oops, I mean "vintage") on ebay seem high.
    >
    > I could care less about vintage, and of course all the 70s ones have
    > pitting.
    >
    > I would rather pay more and get a new one, as long as the shell and
    > strainer are the same, I played an older one and really liked it.
    >
    > Has Ludwig changed anything on these? Its the same seamless shell,
    > same lugs, etc at least visually.
  14. ramalane

    ramalane Guest

    "JJ" <scaldeddog@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
    news:%bb3b.37990$r15.1287107@twister.southeast.rr.com...
    > Thanks for the smartass reply ramalane... that's why I hate posting to

    newsgroups...
    >


    Lighten up, d00d. I didn't post a link to the hype. I posted the link to
    the specifications page and then was mildly offended by your snide comment.
    I'm over it now.
    Don't stop posting; just chill.

    /ramalane

    --
    Church of the Swimming Elephant
    http://www.cotse.com
    Have you been to church today?
  15. ramalane

    ramalane Guest

    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F4D5D20.3B67A0ED@robschuh.com...
    > Sam Savoca wrote:
    >
    > > "ramalane" <ramalane@ramalaneTINR.com> wrote in message
    > > news:dG53b.58362$zz3.37977@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
    > > >
    > > > "JJ" <scaldeddog@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:Oa53b.35318$r15.1229535@twister.southeast.rr.com...
    > > > : I am also looking at buy a Supra and have read all the marketing

    hype on
    > > > the Ludwig site.
    > > >
    > > > "Marketing hype" on a specs page? LMAO!
    > > >
    > > > :
    > > > : Does anyone here have experience with the current Supra

    manufacture??
    > > > :
    > > > : Specifically the "Brass Edition" series?
    > > >
    > > > Go down to your local Ludwig dealer and ask them to let you play one

    since
    > > > you have a need for experience; however, I doubt that *you* would be

    able
    > > to
    > > > tell the difference between a 402 and an acrolite. But FWIW I'd stay

    away
    > > > from a brass finish and get a COB instead.
    > > >
    > > > /ramalane
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Church of the Swimming Elephant
    > > > http://www.cotse.com
    > > > Have you been to church today?

    > >
    > > Good luck finding a Ludwig dealer that stocks anything. Their dealer
    > > network is the worst.
    > >
    > > FYI, The Brass Edition is COB.
    > >
    > > http://www.ludwig-drums.com/products/snares/brassed.html
    > >
    > > Sam S.

    >
    > Ludwig does not make a brass finish. I wonder where this Ramalan guy gets

    this
    > stuff?


    Ludwig Brass Millineum.

    Asshole.

    /ramalane

    --
    Church of the Swimming Elephant
    http://www.cotse.com
    Have you been to church today?
  16. Don O.

    Don O. Guest

    >
    > "Scott Swartz" <scott_swartz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:5a3af92.0308270631.4c1b617c@posting.google.com...
    > > I am looking to buy a 6 1/2 x 14 Ludwig super sensitive snare, and the
    > > prices for an old one (oops, I mean "vintage") on ebay seem high.
    > >
    > > I could care less about vintage, and of course all the 70s ones have
    > > pitting.
    > >
    > > I would rather pay more and get a new one, as long as the shell and
    > > strainer are the same, I played an older one and really liked it.
    > >
    > > Has Ludwig changed anything on these? Its the same seamless shell,
    > > same lugs, etc at least visually.


    I picked up a new LM 402 last month from my local indie-dealer. He
    matched the IM price, so WTF? Of course I had checked e-bay, I guess
    Im just e-shy of hidden damage, prior owner hygiene, etc. Shell is
    seamless, lugs are 'Imperial' (?) finish is perfect. Strainer needed
    a little oil, but no real complaints on construction. The COBs on
    display sounded nice - but not WOW enough for the extra $$, at least
    not to my ears.

    In the words of Alan White (re: Ludwig) "It does what I want it to
    do". New Amb coated + Diplomat snare = wonderful. When it comes time
    to record I'll probably go with a dawg or hawg or maybe the Pearl
    jobs, but for current jamming and informal shows, it sounds great, and
    I think it's cool - that's all that matters (grin). Go for it.

    Don O.

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