Double pedal design question

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by Quadricept, Aug 30, 2003.

  1. Quadricept

    Quadricept Guest

    All-
    I own 2 Pearl Eliminator double pedals. Just sitting here, I looked over and
    noticed that the right (main) beater on this model swings in a plane off to the
    right of the center of the pedal, the left beater obviously swings on it's axis
    off to the left of center of the main pedal.
    So looking straight down from the top, the right and left beaters sit along
    their repsective edges of the right(primary) foot plate. Why not still have the
    right beater closer to the center (toe) of the foot board just like a single
    pedal?
    Thanks!
    Todd
    ***
    "Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
    "underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
    Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com
  2. Quadricept <quadricept@aol.comack> wrote:
    > All-
    > I own 2 Pearl Eliminator double pedals. Just sitting here, I looked over and
    > noticed that the right (main) beater on this model swings in a plane off to the
    > right of the center of the pedal, the left beater obviously swings on it's axis
    > off to the left of center of the main pedal.
    > So looking straight down from the top, the right and left beaters sit along
    > their repsective edges of the right(primary) foot plate. Why not still have the
    > right beater closer to the center (toe) of the foot board just like a single
    > pedal?


    Why would you want one built that way? If you look at some of the
    older (and cheaper) designs you'll find they are built the way
    you say, because to save money they start with single pedal
    design and adapt it to a double. The problem with this is
    that usually you want the left and right beater to sound
    the same. If the right beater hits the center of the bass
    and the left hits way off center then the sounds are different.
    So that if you want them to be the same you have to mount
    the pedal way off center on the bass hoop. This tilts the
    pedal and all kinds of bad stuff.

    My old Gibralter pedals solved this problem by allowing the
    beaters to slide on the shaft. That way you can slide
    them sideways and clamp them down in various postions
    from the center. Personally I like to keep them as close
    to the centerline as I can with them left and right of
    center. Makes both beaters give pretty much the same sound.

    benj

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  3. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Quadricept wrote:

    > All-
    > I own 2 Pearl Eliminator double pedals. Just sitting here, I looked over and
    > noticed that the right (main) beater on this model swings in a plane off to the
    > right of the center of the pedal, the left beater obviously swings on it's axis
    > off to the left of center of the main pedal.
    > So looking straight down from the top, the right and left beaters sit along
    > their repsective edges of the right(primary) foot plate. Why not still have the
    > right beater closer to the center (toe) of the foot board just like a single
    > pedal?
    > Thanks!
    > Todd
    > ***
    > "Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
    > "underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
    > Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com


    I would guess they do this to be able to get a more consistent sound from each
    beater. If the one is dead center and the other one off of center, you are going ot
    have a different pitch. If both are off center by the same distance, they, in
    theory, should have the same pitch.


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  4. C S

    C S Guest

    Actually to me it sounds better when each pedal has a different pitch.
    That way it does not sound like a drum machine or like Lars sounding like an
    idiot thinking he's a great drummer by mastering 2 pedals.



    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F517B19.22DE2344@robschuh.com...
    > Quadricept wrote:
    >
    > > All-
    > > I own 2 Pearl Eliminator double pedals. Just sitting here, I looked over

    and
    > > noticed that the right (main) beater on this model swings in a plane off

    to the
    > > right of the center of the pedal, the left beater obviously swings on

    it's axis
    > > off to the left of center of the main pedal.
    > > So looking straight down from the top, the right and left beaters sit

    along
    > > their repsective edges of the right(primary) foot plate. Why not still

    have the
    > > right beater closer to the center (toe) of the foot board just like a

    single
    > > pedal?
    > > Thanks!
    > > Todd
    > > ***
    > > "Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
    > > "underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
    > > Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com

    >
    > I would guess they do this to be able to get a more consistent sound from

    each
    > beater. If the one is dead center and the other one off of center, you are

    going ot
    > have a different pitch. If both are off center by the same distance, they,

    in
    > theory, should have the same pitch.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >
    >
  5. Quadricept

    Quadricept Guest

    Yeah, now I agree. I actually moved my main beater toward the center a little
    more and I kinda like that subtle difference.Might get (a tad) more punch w/
    that main beater dead center.
    Thanks for the input guys.
    ***
    "Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
    "underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
    Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com
  6. "C S" <leghornfk__@netscape.net> wrote in message
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    > Actually to me it sounds better when each pedal has a different pitch.
    > That way it does not sound like a drum machine or like Lars sounding like

    an
    > idiot thinking he's a great drummer by mastering 2 pedals.


    Though I would prefer my pedals to sound the same, they never do. But I
    don't play much double bass anymore. It just doesn't interest me, as it once
    did.

    Despite the fact that I like a lot of Lars' work, (mostly on "Master of
    Puppets" and "And Justice For All") he is FAR (tm Rob) from a master of 2
    bass drums/pedals. If you see Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
    that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.

    CM
  7. nick amoroso

    nick amoroso Guest

    chris wrote.

    > "One", in particular, is a joke, live.
    >
    >CM


    word.

    peace,
    :nick amoroso:
    professional drums and instruction
    proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
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  8. "Chris Milillo" <drums@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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    > "C S" <leghornfk__@netscape.net> wrote in message
    > news:zCo4b.94890$kP.83958@fed1read03...
    > > Actually to me it sounds better when each pedal has a different pitch.
    > > That way it does not sound like a drum machine or like Lars sounding

    like
    > an
    > > idiot thinking he's a great drummer by mastering 2 pedals.

    >
    > Though I would prefer my pedals to sound the same, they never do. But

    I
    > don't play much double bass anymore. It just doesn't interest me, as it

    once
    > did.
    >
    > Despite the fact that I like a lot of Lars' work, (mostly on "Master

    of
    > Puppets" and "And Justice For All") he is FAR (tm Rob) from a master of 2
    > bass drums/pedals. If you see Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
    > that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.
    >

    Hmm...

    Do they happen to use a drum machine for the bass drum parts in the studio?
    That might explain why the bass drum sound has so much "tick" to it.
  9. Quadricept

    Quadricept Guest

    What does he do for "One" live? I'm no huge Lars fan but I figured he could
    play the parts, no?
    T

    >Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
    >> that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.
    >>



    ***
    "Yo, play faster" -Thomas Hannum
    "underwater fight scenes are the drum solos of movies" -Servo
    Lula's Birthmark - Original. Lyrical. www.lula's-birthmark.com
  10. "Quadricept" <quadricept@aol.comack> wrote in message
    news:20030901102129.26616.00000169@mb-m26.aol.com...
    > What does he do for "One" live? I'm no huge Lars fan but I figured he

    could
    > play the parts, no?
    > T


    It just sounds like a spaz, rather than even16th note triplets, which
    lock in with the guitar riff.

    CM

    > >Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
    > >> that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.
  11. TJ Hertz

    TJ Hertz Guest

    Chris Milillo wrote:
    > "Quadricept" <quadricept@aol.comack> wrote in message
    > news:20030901102129.26616.00000169@mb-m26.aol.com...
    >> What does he do for "One" live? I'm no huge Lars fan but I figured
    >> he could play the parts, no?
    >> T

    >
    > It just sounds like a spaz, rather than even16th note triplets,
    > which lock in with the guitar riff.
    >
    > CM
    >
    >>> Metallica live, he doesn't pull off ANY of
    >>>> that fast double bass stuff. "One", in particular, is a joke, live.


    Didn't he record that album one bar at a time, or something obscene like
    that?

    --
    TJ Hertz
    http://www.whatyourenot.com
  12. Dan Radin

    Dan Radin Guest

    "Quadricept" <quadricept@aol.comack> wrote in message
    news:20030901102129.26616.00000169@mb-m26.aol.com...
    > I'm no huge Lars fan but I figured he could
    > play the parts, no?


    Not anymore.

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