Drum corps = overrated?

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by pottedmeat42, Aug 24, 2003.

  1. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." wrote:

    > "AdamC" <acorreia@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
    > news:FBo2b.8884$q9.513873@read1.cgocable.net...
    >
    > [snip...]
    >
    > > There is a long list of drum corps guys that are now playing in top class
    > > rock, jazz, metal, alternative bands that are doing just fine. Joey
    > > Jordison, Chad Sexton, Dave Weckl, drummer from Barenaked Ladies, Matt
    > > Sorum, all kinds of guys. To tell me that they can't play proper because
    > > they did drum corps is just down right stupid.
    > >

    > Dave Weckl states in his Back to Basics video that he was never in a drum
    > corps.


    Drum Corps are the biggest pant load organizations I have ever seen. The
    represent EVERYTHING that other musicians laugh at drummers about. It is ALL
    about volume, chops and bullshit. ANYONE moron can get great chops if they shed
    their asses off. Who cares? There was some world rudiment champion clown who
    played before my clinic at a drum show a while back. He some old solo,
    something to the effect of "3 Camps?" I don't know this stuff. It was ALL at a
    deafening volume and had about as much to do with music as some bozo honking a
    loud horn. The thing that I thought was even more ironic was that this guy had
    to be in his late 50s. You would think one would get that sophomoric crap out
    of their system when they were in their teens! :)


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  2. in article ff2ed5da.0308251314.21d5bba3@posting.google.com, yabadabadoodoo
    at yabadabadoodoo@hotmail.com wrote on 8/25/03 5:14 PM:


    > I think the majority of people here see the drum corps as a bunch of
    > fruits in silly costumes playing horrible sounding snare drums...


    I don't know about the fruit part......

    But why not just use a piccolo snare?

    All that Kevlar sounds like popcorn to me. Why is the deep shell even
    needed?

    I admire the discipline of drum corp, but I am afraid of the students I have
    seen that have come out of this idiom....with a few exceptions, will be
    clients of carpal tunnel surgeons in the next 10 years.

    Linda
  3. I think it is pitiful that a drummer of your age doesn't know the most basic
    rudimental pieces. Three Camps is actually a military drum call, not a drum
    corp piece.

    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
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    330 670 0800
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    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F4AC0AE.22E13C83@robschuh.com...
    > "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." wrote:
    >
    > > "AdamC" <acorreia@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
    > > news:FBo2b.8884$q9.513873@read1.cgocable.net...
    > >
    > > [snip...]
    > >
    > > > There is a long list of drum corps guys that are now playing in top

    class
    > > > rock, jazz, metal, alternative bands that are doing just fine. Joey
    > > > Jordison, Chad Sexton, Dave Weckl, drummer from Barenaked Ladies, Matt
    > > > Sorum, all kinds of guys. To tell me that they can't play proper

    because
    > > > they did drum corps is just down right stupid.
    > > >

    > > Dave Weckl states in his Back to Basics video that he was never in a

    drum
    > > corps.

    >
    > Drum Corps are the biggest pant load organizations I have ever seen. The
    > represent EVERYTHING that other musicians laugh at drummers about. It is

    ALL
    > about volume, chops and bullshit. ANYONE moron can get great chops if they

    shed
    > their asses off. Who cares? There was some world rudiment champion clown

    who
    > played before my clinic at a drum show a while back. He some old solo,
    > something to the effect of "3 Camps?" I don't know this stuff. It was ALL

    at a
    > deafening volume and had about as much to do with music as some bozo

    honking a
    > loud horn. The thing that I thought was even more ironic was that this guy

    had
    > to be in his late 50s. You would think one would get that sophomoric crap

    out
    > of their system when they were in their teens! :)
    >
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >
    >
  4. Lon Jackman

    Lon Jackman Guest

    do any people here really think that this man is not obsessed with mr.
    shuh? what i want to know is what the "drumguru?'s" comments have to
    do with the thread? i don't know the age of either of these clowns,
    but what does anyone's age have to do with not knowing things that
    have nothing to do with music? if half of you spent the time you do
    making up this kind of crap, who knows what you could do? drunguru? i
    think not. 90% of what i see from you is spam for your drum shop or
    trolling for your favorite shuh man. btw, i have recieved many e mails
    from people here and i can say this, the vast magority have no respect
    for the so called "drugguru" if this man is really a pro and a
    business owner, then why does he spend so much time responding to the
    other guy? why doesn't someone do a dejanews search and see how many
    times in the last year the "drugguru" has posted in responce to shuh
    vs how often shuh has posted in responce to teh "drugguru?" i'll bet
    that george has sucked come cock in his life and is trying to make up
    for it. i;ll bet if push comes to shove, neither if these panty wastes
    can play for shit.




    The ""drumguru?" posted the following:

    I think it is pitiful that a drummer of your age doesn't know the most
    basic
    rudimental pieces. Three Camps is actually a military drum call, not a
    drum
    corp piece.

    --
    George Lawrence





    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F4AC0AE.22E13C83@robschuh.com...
    > "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." wrote:
    >
    > > "AdamC" <acorreia@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
    > > news:FBo2b.8884$q9.513873@read1.cgocable.net...
    > >
    > > [snip...]
    > >
    > > > There is a long list of drum corps guys that are now playing in top

    class
    > > > rock, jazz, metal, alternative bands that are doing just fine. Joey
    > > > Jordison, Chad Sexton, Dave Weckl, drummer from Barenaked Ladies, Matt
    > > > Sorum, all kinds of guys. To tell me that they can't play proper

    because
    > > > they did drum corps is just down right stupid.
    > > >

    > > Dave Weckl states in his Back to Basics video that he was never in a

    drum
    > > corps.

    >
    > Drum Corps are the biggest pant load organizations I have ever seen. The
    > represent EVERYTHING that other musicians laugh at drummers about. It is

    ALL
    > about volume, chops and bullshit. ANYONE moron can get great chops if they

    shed
    > their asses off. Who cares? There was some world rudiment champion clown

    who
    > played before my clinic at a drum show a while back. He some old solo,
    > something to the effect of "3 Camps?" I don't know this stuff. It was ALL

    at a
    > deafening volume and had about as much to do with music as some bozo

    honking a
    > loud horn. The thing that I thought was even more ironic was that this guy

    had
    > to be in his late 50s. You would think one would get that sophomoric crap

    out
    > of their system when they were in their teens! :)
    >
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >
    >
  5. Is there anyone who does not just hate all these AOL people?


    thomasirolo@aol.comFUCKYOU (JohnFuckPope) wrote in message news:<20030825100736.15613.00000624@mb-m12.aol.com>...
    > >Being an 11 year vet of drum corps I find the comments that it's overrated
    > >offensive. I'm sure you guys knew I would.

    >
    > I'm sure you knew noone here would give a fuck what your opinion is. On
    > anything.
    >
    > I'm still marching to this day
    > >and have no problem dividing the two from drum set to drum corps. Sometimes
    > >I might find myself using some of my corps rudiments for kick-ass insane
    > >fills when I probably shouldn't. I used to do it all the time but broke out
    > >of it.

    >
    > Get over yourself. We know how much you suck already.
    >
    > >
    > >If it wasn't for drum corps I wouldn't have learned drum set on my own using
    > >what was given to me by the instructors I've had. That's right I taught
    > >myself and I am really proud of what I have accomplished and will continue
    > >to. If you want MP3's of my playing on DRUM SET please ask and I will show
    > >you just how good I am.

    >
    > ZZZZZZZZ.
    >
    > LOL! So let me get this straight - the goon that everyone here thinks sucks -
    > the loser that can't play to save his life - the ONE guy who everyone as a
    > whole laughs at here - THIS guy is going to save the reputation of drum corps
    > in this forum? LOL! ROTFLMAO!
    >
    > You desperetly need a life, little man.
    >
    > >
    > >Drum corps just doesn't teach people drumming or marching. It teaches
    > >proper attitudes, discipline, work ethic, life lessons, and how to make
    > >great life long friends. What activity can give you all of the things drum
    > >corps does? Nothing. You just can't find it any where else.

    >
    > Why didn't you acquire any of that?
    >
    > >
    > >There is a long list of drum corps guys that are now playing in top class
    > >rock, jazz, metal, alternative bands that are doing just fine. Joey
    > >Jordison, Chad Sexton, Dave Weckl, drummer from Barenaked Ladies, Matt
    > >Sorum, all kinds of guys. To tell me that they can't play proper because
    > >they did drum corps is just down right stupid.
    > >
    > >In fact here are my MP3's. I'm putting myself and my playing on the line to
    > >prove a point. Take it for what it's worth.
    > >
    > >http://216.12.218.129/members/kgman1/Obsidian - Peccato.mp3
    > >http://216.12.218.129/members/kgman1/Obsidian - Release.mp3
    > >http://216.12.218.129/members/kgman1/Obsidian - Sinjection.mp3
    > >

    >
    > It's worthless. You've made a laughing stock of yourself here. Go back to the
    > pearl forum where youre looked at as an "expert." LOL!
    >
    > >Take a listen, enjoy, hate it, like it, whatever. But to tell me I don't
    > >have creativity, spontaneity, musicality, dynamics, is just stupid on your
    > >part and you are ignorant. Drum corps is all about creativity, dynamics,
    > >playing as one, musicality, emotion. It's not about chops and who can play
    > >128th note rolls for crying out loud.
    > >
    > >I really think the majority of people here really need to see drum corps in
    > >person and do a lot of research before you speak about it. If you know next
    > >to nothing then don't put your word into it.
    > >
    > >AdamC
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Most people wish the same of you, dumbass. Does it impede your everyday life to
    > be this stupid?
    >
    > Rolo Tomasi
  6. Ed Pierce

    Ed Pierce Guest

    >
    > Drum Corps are the biggest pant load organizations I have ever seen. The
    > represent EVERYTHING that other musicians laugh at drummers about. It is ALL
    > about volume, chops and bullshit. ANYONE moron can get great chops if they shed
    > their asses off. Who cares? There was some world rudiment champion clown who
    > played before my clinic at a drum show a while back. He some old solo,
    > something to the effect of "3 Camps?" I don't know this stuff. It was ALL at a
    > deafening volume and had about as much to do with music as some bozo honking a
    > loud horn. The thing that I thought was even more ironic was that this guy had
    > to be in his late 50s. You would think one would get that sophomoric crap out
    > of their system when they were in their teens! :)
    >
    >


    When Elvin Jones was last in Portland in 1997, he held a clinic the
    day of the show. I wasn't able to make it to the clinic (although I
    did make it to the show that night, which was of course amazing), but
    another drummer who attended told me that someone questioned Elvin
    about his background playing drums in the military, and after talking
    a bit about it Elvin ended up playing "Three Camps" for the audience.
    I believe Elvin was just about 70 years old at the time, so apparently
    he hadn't gotten it out of his system, either! :)

    Ed Pierce
  7. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Ed Pierce wrote:

    > >
    > > Drum Corps are the biggest pant load organizations I have ever seen. The
    > > represent EVERYTHING that other musicians laugh at drummers about. It is ALL
    > > about volume, chops and bullshit. ANYONE moron can get great chops if they shed
    > > their asses off. Who cares? There was some world rudiment champion clown who
    > > played before my clinic at a drum show a while back. He some old solo,
    > > something to the effect of "3 Camps?" I don't know this stuff. It was ALL at a
    > > deafening volume and had about as much to do with music as some bozo honking a
    > > loud horn. The thing that I thought was even more ironic was that this guy had
    > > to be in his late 50s. You would think one would get that sophomoric crap out
    > > of their system when they were in their teens! :)
    > >
    > >

    >
    > When Elvin Jones was last in Portland in 1997, he held a clinic the
    > day of the show. I wasn't able to make it to the clinic (although I
    > did make it to the show that night, which was of course amazing), but
    > another drummer who attended told me that someone questioned Elvin
    > about his background playing drums in the military, and after talking
    > a bit about it Elvin ended up playing "Three Camps" for the audience.
    > I believe Elvin was just about 70 years old at the time, so apparently
    > he hadn't gotten it out of his system, either! :)
    >
    > Ed Pierce


    Ed,
    I am sure Elvin played it musically. This bozo who played it at the clinic played it
    on one of those super loud drums with the bullet proof heads. They did not have the
    same kind of drum corps bullshit nor did they have bullet proof heads when Elvin grew
    up. Elvin is ALL about music. This rudiment guy was a choad! :)


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  8. AdamC

    AdamC Guest

    "Linda Dachtyl" <lindaleed@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:BB7040E9.10A11%lindaleed@earthlink.net...
    > in article ff2ed5da.0308251314.21d5bba3@posting.google.com, yabadabadoodoo
    > at yabadabadoodoo@hotmail.com wrote on 8/25/03 5:14 PM:
    >
    >
    > > I think the majority of people here see the drum corps as a bunch of
    > > fruits in silly costumes playing horrible sounding snare drums...

    >
    > I don't know about the fruit part......
    >
    > But why not just use a piccolo snare?
    >
    > All that Kevlar sounds like popcorn to me. Why is the deep shell even
    > needed?
    >
    > I admire the discipline of drum corp, but I am afraid of the students I

    have
    > seen that have come out of this idiom....with a few exceptions, will be
    > clients of carpal tunnel surgeons in the next 10 years.
    >
    > Linda


    Not one drum and bugle corps drum line well snare line anyway are using
    Kevlar drum heads anymore. We are using what's called an Aramid Fiber.
    It's thinner, lighter, and gives more under the stick. You also loose some
    of that table top sound. Because of the more give under the stick the
    snares get "excited" easier creating more of a snare sound. Actual trends
    have been going back to lower tunings, more snare sound, more projection.

    If you play with proper technique in drum corps, stretch properly, and take
    care of yourself you can easily avoid any damages to your hands, wrists, or
    arms.

    The deeper shell on today's marching snare drums are needed for the extra
    projection. If we used 14x6.5 snare drums you wouldn't hear them in the
    stands. The most widely used size snare drums in the drum corps activity
    are 14x12 or 13x11. That added depth brings projection not a deeper tone.

    AdamC
  9. JVN

    JVN Guest

    The morning after DrumDaze in Columbus Ohio a few years ago I was waiting in
    the lobby for Stephen Perkins so we could embark on a clinic tour, when a
    gracious and engaging Elvin Jones walked over, said "good morning", and sat
    down right next to me on the couch. We talked drums and drumming, and
    "musicality vs. chops". We had seen plenty of both for two days. He had played
    the day before with an organ trio and it was mesmerizing. Not overly technical,
    but very moving. When he asked, I explained to him that my strength as a
    drummer was as a rock/funk/blues player and that I had some drum
    corps/orchestral chops from way back as part of my "foundation". I went on to
    say although I admired and appreciated jazz and could fake "spang-spang-a-lang"
    as well as most, I hadn't really immersed myself in jazz enough to fully
    understand it...and as a result had sort of steered clear of it. He explained
    to me that his own experience early on was drumming in a military band and that
    he had no concept of what jazz or jazz drumming even was before he sat down to
    play it on a trap set. But he had to play it convincingly, or they would toss
    him off the bandstand. He told me there were a few things necessary to play
    jazz well. "First...LISTEN. Listen to everyone else and support them, don't
    STEP on them. And second, no matter what you play, even if it's not exactly
    "right" play it with CONVICTION. And lastly, particularly on the mellow stuff,
    think of flowing water, like a slow river, and let the music flow through
    you...don't FORCE it". Oddly enough, about two weeks later I was asked by a
    very talented guitarist and bass player whom I had worked with before to join
    them Sunday mornings at their rehearsal space, to work through some jazz
    standards. Seems they wanted to explore the genre as well, and were committed
    to doing so. They gave me a tape of a dozen songs to learn in a week...mostly
    Coltrane, Monk, Parker, etc. I wrote right on my snare drum head:

    Elvin Said -
    1: LISTEN
    2: CONVICTION
    3: WATER FLOWING

    We sat down to play the tunes and I was pleasantly surprised to hear us making
    good music. We did that every week for two months, and by the end of two months
    it sounded fantastic. We played a private party and a friend of mine who is
    without question an authority on jazz and jazz drumming was in attendance. He
    obviously noticed I didn't play the tunes "note for note" but commended me on
    "breathing new life into old tired tunes", said the overall sound was
    "refreshing and a joy to listen to", and asked if we'd be playing nearby again
    soon. That was all the proof I needed that I could play jazz and not feel like
    or sound like a "poser". I give Elvin credit for his 15 minute verbal lesson,
    but I also attribute my ability to adapt and play it fairly well in a short
    time to:
    - the discipline I learned in drum corps
    - the ability to listen I learned in drum corps
    - the mechanics and facilty I acquired in drum corps.

    The music didn't involve blistering chops around the kit, so I left them in the
    "bag of tricks". Contrary to popular belief in RMMP, there are tremendous
    changes in dynamics in drum corps, and I certainly had my share of triple
    pianissimo passages to work through in my orchestral days. I'm not saying I am
    now a "jazz drummer" but I'm a lot closer to really understanding what it takes
    to play it well. I think drum corps can provide some discipline that a lot of
    drummers could certainly benefit from. Exploring other aspects of drumming is
    not always like learning or speaking another language altogether, but it
    certainly can be compared to knowing and understanding another dialect within a
    language. And it just may help you communicate with others who may have their
    own "musical language" altogether. Many of them will avoid letting you know
    about even being in Drum Corps because they like to let you think they got
    where they are entirely on their own...but there is a wealth of good MUSICAL
    drummers out there who attribute much of their facility to what they learned in
    marching band/drum corps.

    Now if they could just make snare drums that sound like snare drums instead of
    bug-zappers maybe more people would be accepting. ;-)


    SIG: "The perception is that you two brothers get up in the morning, have some
    cereal, drink some beers, smash each other in the face and then have lunch".
    - Interviewer for FHM magazine to Liam and Noel of OASIS.
  10. Glenn Dowdy

    Glenn Dowdy Guest

    "JVN " <dwjv1@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:20030826102616.05395.00000649@mb-m16.aol.com...
    >
    > Elvin Said -
    > 1: LISTEN
    > 2: CONVICTION
    > 3: WATER FLOWING
    >

    JVN,

    Nice post.

    Glenn D.
  11. Dan Radin

    Dan Radin Guest

    "JVN " <dwjv1@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:20030826102616.05395.00000649@mb-m16.aol.com...
    > The morning after DrumDaze in Columbus Ohio a few years ago I was waiting

    in
    > the lobby for Stephen Perkins so we could embark on a clinic tour, when a
    > gracious and engaging Elvin Jones walked over, said "good morning", and

    sat
    > down right next to me on the couch. We talked drums and drumming, and
    > "musicality vs. chops". We had seen plenty of both for two days. He had

    played
    > the day before with an organ trio and it was mesmerizing. Not overly

    technical,
    > but very moving. When he asked, I explained to him that my strength as a
    > drummer was as a rock/funk/blues player and that I had some drum
    > corps/orchestral chops from way back as part of my "foundation". I went on

    to
    > say although I admired and appreciated jazz and could fake

    "spang-spang-a-lang"
    > as well as most, I hadn't really immersed myself in jazz enough to fully
    > understand it...and as a result had sort of steered clear of it. He

    explained
    > to me that his own experience early on was drumming in a military band and

    that
    > he had no concept of what jazz or jazz drumming even was before he sat

    down to
    > play it on a trap set. But he had to play it convincingly, or they would

    toss
    > him off the bandstand. He told me there were a few things necessary to

    play
    > jazz well. "First...LISTEN. Listen to everyone else and support them,

    don't
    > STEP on them. And second, no matter what you play, even if it's not

    exactly
    > "right" play it with CONVICTION. And lastly, particularly on the mellow

    stuff,
    > think of flowing water, like a slow river, and let the music flow through
    > you...don't FORCE it". Oddly enough, about two weeks later I was asked by

    a
    > very talented guitarist and bass player whom I had worked with before to

    join
    > them Sunday mornings at their rehearsal space, to work through some jazz
    > standards. Seems they wanted to explore the genre as well, and were

    committed
    > to doing so. They gave me a tape of a dozen songs to learn in a

    week...mostly
    > Coltrane, Monk, Parker, etc. I wrote right on my snare drum head:
    >
    > Elvin Said -
    > 1: LISTEN
    > 2: CONVICTION
    > 3: WATER FLOWING
    >
    > We sat down to play the tunes and I was pleasantly surprised to hear us

    making
    > good music. We did that every week for two months, and by the end of two

    months
    > it sounded fantastic. We played a private party and a friend of mine who

    is
    > without question an authority on jazz and jazz drumming was in attendance.

    He
    > obviously noticed I didn't play the tunes "note for note" but commended me

    on
    > "breathing new life into old tired tunes", said the overall sound was
    > "refreshing and a joy to listen to", and asked if we'd be playing nearby

    again
    > soon. That was all the proof I needed that I could play jazz and not feel

    like
    > or sound like a "poser". I give Elvin credit for his 15 minute verbal

    lesson,
    > but I also attribute my ability to adapt and play it fairly well in a

    short
    > time to:
    > - the discipline I learned in drum corps
    > - the ability to listen I learned in drum corps
    > - the mechanics and facilty I acquired in drum corps.
    >
    > The music didn't involve blistering chops around the kit, so I left them

    in the
    > "bag of tricks". Contrary to popular belief in RMMP, there are tremendous
    > changes in dynamics in drum corps, and I certainly had my share of triple
    > pianissimo passages to work through in my orchestral days. I'm not saying

    I am
    > now a "jazz drummer" but I'm a lot closer to really understanding what it

    takes
    > to play it well. I think drum corps can provide some discipline that a lot

    of
    > drummers could certainly benefit from. Exploring other aspects of drumming

    is
    > not always like learning or speaking another language altogether, but it
    > certainly can be compared to knowing and understanding another dialect

    within a
    > language. And it just may help you communicate with others who may have

    their
    > own "musical language" altogether. Many of them will avoid letting you

    know
    > about even being in Drum Corps because they like to let you think they got
    > where they are entirely on their own...but there is a wealth of good

    MUSICAL
    > drummers out there who attribute much of their facility to what they

    learned in
    > marching band/drum corps.
    >
    > Now if they could just make snare drums that sound like snare drums

    instead of
    > bug-zappers maybe more people would be accepting. ;-)
    >
    >
    > SIG: "The perception is that you two brothers get up in the morning, have

    some
    > cereal, drink some beers, smash each other in the face and then have

    lunch".
    > - Interviewer for FHM magazine to Liam and Noel of OASIS.
    >

    Nice. Thanks for sharing, John.
  12. Rob, errrr, I mean "Lon", why not just post under your own name?

    CM

    "Lon Jackman" <jackman@australiamail.com> wrote in message
    news:77665a65.0308252243.73cee5c7@posting.google.com...
    > do any people here really think that this man is not obsessed with mr.
    > shuh? what i want to know is what the "drumguru?'s" comments have to
    > do with the thread? i don't know the age of either of these clowns,
    > but what does anyone's age have to do with not knowing things that
    > have nothing to do with music? if half of you spent the time you do
    > making up this kind of crap, who knows what you could do? drunguru? i
    > think not. 90% of what i see from you is spam for your drum shop or
    > trolling for your favorite shuh man. btw, i have recieved many e mails
    > from people here and i can say this, the vast magority have no respect
    > for the so called "drugguru" if this man is really a pro and a
    > business owner, then why does he spend so much time responding to the
    > other guy? why doesn't someone do a dejanews search and see how many
    > times in the last year the "drugguru" has posted in responce to shuh
    > vs how often shuh has posted in responce to teh "drugguru?" i'll bet
    > that george has sucked come cock in his life and is trying to make up
    > for it. i;ll bet if push comes to shove, neither if these panty wastes
    > can play for shit.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > The ""drumguru?" posted the following:
    >
    > I think it is pitiful that a drummer of your age doesn't know the most
    > basic
    > rudimental pieces. Three Camps is actually a military drum call, not a
    > drum
    > corp piece.
    >
    > --
    > George Lawrence
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > news:3F4AC0AE.22E13C83@robschuh.com...
    > > "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." wrote:
    > >
    > > > "AdamC" <acorreia@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
    > > > news:FBo2b.8884$q9.513873@read1.cgocable.net...
    > > >
    > > > [snip...]
    > > >
    > > > > There is a long list of drum corps guys that are now playing in top

    > class
    > > > > rock, jazz, metal, alternative bands that are doing just fine. Joey
    > > > > Jordison, Chad Sexton, Dave Weckl, drummer from Barenaked Ladies,

    Matt
    > > > > Sorum, all kinds of guys. To tell me that they can't play proper

    > because
    > > > > they did drum corps is just down right stupid.
    > > > >
    > > > Dave Weckl states in his Back to Basics video that he was never in a

    > drum
    > > > corps.

    > >
    > > Drum Corps are the biggest pant load organizations I have ever seen. The
    > > represent EVERYTHING that other musicians laugh at drummers about. It is

    > ALL
    > > about volume, chops and bullshit. ANYONE moron can get great chops if

    they
    > shed
    > > their asses off. Who cares? There was some world rudiment champion clown

    > who
    > > played before my clinic at a drum show a while back. He some old solo,
    > > something to the effect of "3 Camps?" I don't know this stuff. It was

    ALL
    > at a
    > > deafening volume and had about as much to do with music as some bozo

    > honking a
    > > loud horn. The thing that I thought was even more ironic was that this

    guy
    > had
    > > to be in his late 50s. You would think one would get that sophomoric

    crap
    > out
    > > of their system when they were in their teens! :)
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Robert Schuh
    > > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > > - Nietzsche
    > >
    > > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    > >
    > >
  13. John,

    Great post!

    Thanks,

    David
  14. great, a very interesting read.

    regards,
    -k
  15. On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:43:42 -0700, Lon Jackman wrote:

    > do any people here really think that this man is not obsessed with mr.
    > shuh? what i want to know is what the "drumguru?'s" comments have to
    > do with the thread? i don't know the age of either of these clowns,
    > but what does anyone's age have to do with not knowing things that
    > have nothing to do with music? if half of you spent the time you do
    > making up this kind of crap, who knows what you could do? drunguru? i
    > think not. 90% of what i see from you is spam for your drum shop or
    > trolling for your favorite shuh man. btw, i have recieved many e mails
    > from people here and i can say this, the vast magority have no respect
    > for the so called "drugguru" if this man is really a pro and a
    > business owner, then why does he spend so much time responding to the
    > other guy? why doesn't someone do a dejanews search and see how many
    > times in the last year the "drugguru" has posted in responce to shuh
    > vs how often shuh has posted in responce to teh "drugguru?" i'll bet
    > that george has sucked come cock in his life and is trying to make up
    > for it. i;ll bet if push comes to shove, neither if these panty wastes
    > can play for shit.



    Well, this isn't transparent at all, is it.

    Ever notice how many guys like this have been receiving many emails from
    people here?




    >
    >
    >
    >
    > The ""drumguru?" posted the following:
    >
    > I think it is pitiful that a drummer of your age doesn't know the most
    > basic
    > rudimental pieces. Three Camps is actually a military drum call, not a
    > drum
    > corp piece.
    >
    > --
    > George Lawrence
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > news:3F4AC0AE.22E13C83@robschuh.com...
    >> "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." wrote:
    >>
    >> > "AdamC" <acorreia@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
    >> > news:FBo2b.8884$q9.513873@read1.cgocable.net...
    >> >
    >> > [snip...]
    >> >
    >> > > There is a long list of drum corps guys that are now playing in top

    > class
    >> > > rock, jazz, metal, alternative bands that are doing just fine. Joey
    >> > > Jordison, Chad Sexton, Dave Weckl, drummer from Barenaked Ladies, Matt
    >> > > Sorum, all kinds of guys. To tell me that they can't play proper

    > because
    >> > > they did drum corps is just down right stupid.
    >> > >
    >> > Dave Weckl states in his Back to Basics video that he was never in a

    > drum
    >> > corps.

    >>
    >> Drum Corps are the biggest pant load organizations I have ever seen. The
    >> represent EVERYTHING that other musicians laugh at drummers about. It is

    > ALL
    >> about volume, chops and bullshit. ANYONE moron can get great chops if they

    > shed
    >> their asses off. Who cares? There was some world rudiment champion clown

    > who
    >> played before my clinic at a drum show a while back. He some old solo,
    >> something to the effect of "3 Camps?" I don't know this stuff. It was ALL

    > at a
    >> deafening volume and had about as much to do with music as some bozo

    > honking a
    >> loud horn. The thing that I thought was even more ironic was that this guy

    > had
    >> to be in his late 50s. You would think one would get that sophomoric crap

    > out
    >> of their system when they were in their teens! :)
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Robert Schuh
    >> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    >> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    >> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    >> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    >> - Nietzsche
    >>
    >> "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >>
    >>


    --

    peace,

    Rog

    http://www.slammingrooves.com



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  16. That's pretty obvious, Rob. You can trace back through some of your old
    posts and find verbatim quotes. You used to be better at the fake names and
    posting. And as always, you can dish it out but you can't take it. You are
    over 40 now and you are old and you think old, using your own posted
    definition. I'll twist that knife as much as I can. :)

    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
    http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    http://www.Drumguru.com
    330 670 0800
    toll free 866 970 0800

    "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Chris Milillo" <drums@bestweb.net> wrote in message
    news:big5bl$7q7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
    > Rob, errrr, I mean "Lon", why not just post under your own name?
    >
    > CM
    >
    > "Lon Jackman" <jackman@australiamail.com> wrote in message
    > news:77665a65.0308252243.73cee5c7@posting.google.com...
    > > do any people here really think that this man is not obsessed with mr.
    > > shuh? what i want to know is what the "drumguru?'s" comments have to
    > > do with the thread? i don't know the age of either of these clowns,
    > > but what does anyone's age have to do with not knowing things that
    > > have nothing to do with music? if half of you spent the time you do
    > > making up this kind of crap, who knows what you could do? drunguru? i
    > > think not. 90% of what i see from you is spam for your drum shop or
    > > trolling for your favorite shuh man. btw, i have recieved many e mails
    > > from people here and i can say this, the vast magority have no respect
    > > for the so called "drugguru" if this man is really a pro and a
    > > business owner, then why does he spend so much time responding to the
    > > other guy? why doesn't someone do a dejanews search and see how many
    > > times in the last year the "drugguru" has posted in responce to shuh
    > > vs how often shuh has posted in responce to teh "drugguru?" i'll bet
    > > that george has sucked come cock in his life and is trying to make up
    > > for it. i;ll bet if push comes to shove, neither if these panty wastes
    > > can play for shit.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > The ""drumguru?" posted the following:
    > >
    > > I think it is pitiful that a drummer of your age doesn't know the most
    > > basic
    > > rudimental pieces. Three Camps is actually a military drum call, not a
    > > drum
    > > corp piece.
    > >
    > > --
    > > George Lawrence
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > > news:3F4AC0AE.22E13C83@robschuh.com...
    > > > "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > "AdamC" <acorreia@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
    > > > > news:FBo2b.8884$q9.513873@read1.cgocable.net...
    > > > >
    > > > > [snip...]
    > > > >
    > > > > > There is a long list of drum corps guys that are now playing in

    top
    > > class
    > > > > > rock, jazz, metal, alternative bands that are doing just fine.

    Joey
    > > > > > Jordison, Chad Sexton, Dave Weckl, drummer from Barenaked Ladies,

    > Matt
    > > > > > Sorum, all kinds of guys. To tell me that they can't play proper

    > > because
    > > > > > they did drum corps is just down right stupid.
    > > > > >
    > > > > Dave Weckl states in his Back to Basics video that he was never in a

    > > drum
    > > > > corps.
    > > >
    > > > Drum Corps are the biggest pant load organizations I have ever seen.

    The
    > > > represent EVERYTHING that other musicians laugh at drummers about. It

    is
    > > ALL
    > > > about volume, chops and bullshit. ANYONE moron can get great chops if

    > they
    > > shed
    > > > their asses off. Who cares? There was some world rudiment champion

    clown
    > > who
    > > > played before my clinic at a drum show a while back. He some old solo,
    > > > something to the effect of "3 Camps?" I don't know this stuff. It was

    > ALL
    > > at a
    > > > deafening volume and had about as much to do with music as some bozo

    > > honking a
    > > > loud horn. The thing that I thought was even more ironic was that this

    > guy
    > > had
    > > > to be in his late 50s. You would think one would get that sophomoric

    > crap
    > > out
    > > > of their system when they were in their teens! :)
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Robert Schuh
    > > > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > > > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > > > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > > > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > > > - Nietzsche
    > > >
    > > > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    > > >
    > > >

    >
    >
  17. Chris Milillo" <drums@bestweb.net> wrote in message
    news:big5bl$7q7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
    > Rob, errrr, I mean "Lon", why not just post under your own name?



    Chris,

    That would blow his cover. He claims to have me killfiled but he responds to
    my posts and occassionally emails me the usual deranged tripe. Look at any
    of "Lon's" posts and it's the same typical drivel about me, homosexual crap,
    can't play, etc. the mistake he made this time was using the misspelling.
    "Lon" can spell all the words in previous posts. Typical Rob Schuh fakery
    and deceit.

    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
    http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    http://www.Drumguru.com
    330 670 0800
    toll free 866 970 0800

    "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Chris Milillo" <drums@bestweb.net> wrote in message
    news:big5bl$7q7$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
    > Rob, errrr, I mean "Lon", why not just post under your own name?
    >
    > CM
    >
    > "Lon Jackman" <jackman@australiamail.com> wrote in message
    > news:77665a65.0308252243.73cee5c7@posting.google.com...
    > > do any people here really think that this man is not obsessed with mr.
    > > shuh? what i want to know is what the "drumguru?'s" comments have to
    > > do with the thread? i don't know the age of either of these clowns,
    > > but what does anyone's age have to do with not knowing things that
    > > have nothing to do with music? if half of you spent the time you do
    > > making up this kind of crap, who knows what you could do? drunguru? i
    > > think not. 90% of what i see from you is spam for your drum shop or
    > > trolling for your favorite shuh man. btw, i have recieved many e mails
    > > from people here and i can say this, the vast magority have no respect
    > > for the so called "drugguru" if this man is really a pro and a
    > > business owner, then why does he spend so much time responding to the
    > > other guy? why doesn't someone do a dejanews search and see how many
    > > times in the last year the "drugguru" has posted in responce to shuh
    > > vs how often shuh has posted in responce to teh "drugguru?" i'll bet
    > > that george has sucked come cock in his life and is trying to make up
    > > for it. i;ll bet if push comes to shove, neither if these panty wastes
    > > can play for shit.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > The ""drumguru?" posted the following:
    > >
    > > I think it is pitiful that a drummer of your age doesn't know the most
    > > basic
    > > rudimental pieces. Three Camps is actually a military drum call, not a
    > > drum
    > > corp piece.
    > >
    > > --
    > > George Lawrence
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > > news:3F4AC0AE.22E13C83@robschuh.com...
    > > > "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > "AdamC" <acorreia@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
    > > > > news:FBo2b.8884$q9.513873@read1.cgocable.net...
    > > > >
    > > > > [snip...]
    > > > >
    > > > > > There is a long list of drum corps guys that are now playing in

    top
    > > class
    > > > > > rock, jazz, metal, alternative bands that are doing just fine.

    Joey
    > > > > > Jordison, Chad Sexton, Dave Weckl, drummer from Barenaked Ladies,

    > Matt
    > > > > > Sorum, all kinds of guys. To tell me that they can't play proper

    > > because
    > > > > > they did drum corps is just down right stupid.
    > > > > >
    > > > > Dave Weckl states in his Back to Basics video that he was never in a

    > > drum
    > > > > corps.
    > > >
    > > > Drum Corps are the biggest pant load organizations I have ever seen.

    The
    > > > represent EVERYTHING that other musicians laugh at drummers about. It

    is
    > > ALL
    > > > about volume, chops and bullshit. ANYONE moron can get great chops if

    > they
    > > shed
    > > > their asses off. Who cares? There was some world rudiment champion

    clown
    > > who
    > > > played before my clinic at a drum show a while back. He some old solo,
    > > > something to the effect of "3 Camps?" I don't know this stuff. It was

    > ALL
    > > at a
    > > > deafening volume and had about as much to do with music as some bozo

    > > honking a
    > > > loud horn. The thing that I thought was even more ironic was that this

    > guy
    > > had
    > > > to be in his late 50s. You would think one would get that sophomoric

    > crap
    > > out
    > > > of their system when they were in their teens! :)
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Robert Schuh
    > > > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > > > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > > > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > > > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > > > - Nietzsche
    > > >
    > > > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    > > >
    > > >

    >
    >
  18. pottedmeat42@yahoo.com (pottedmeat42) wrote in message news:<17470c7a.0308241201.4b80fd1a@posting.google.com>...

    > Another commonality: they worshipped at the throne of Mike Portnoy.



    Thank God for Kazaa. I would have been pretty pissed if I'd actually
    paid for a Dream Theater CD. The guy can play, but who cares...the
    music is pure shyte.

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