F**K UPS!!!! (United Parcel Service)

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by Rev. Poindexter, Aug 14, 2003.

  1. jmt

    jmt Guest

    Dear RP;
    Sumthin' is fucked up here,(As Mrs. O'Flynn said to the
    Bishop)...I've been shipping with Ups and FedX for 156 yrs; insured
    everything I've ever sent for the appropriate amounts, and never had
    this kinda caca flung at meself. Unless they've had some sort of
    ManagementOnHeavyMeds Policy Change recently, I don't get it.
    y'r pal and OriginalPacker;
    jmt

    Rev. Poindexter wrote:

    > In article <hlupino-9A5E9C.21434214082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>,
    > Edward W Warshauer <hlupino@mindspring.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>In article <slrnbjo2vc.dkf.jmelnyk@localhost.localdomain>,
    >> joem <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Rev. Poindexter wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    >>>
    >>>>I've had it with these bozos. I made the trek today to send some items
    >>>>out and they inform me at the desk, " We can't insure any items that
    >>>>aren't in their original packaging."
    >>>
    >>>since when?

    >>
    >>Not only do I work for UPS but I ship through UPS too and I've never
    >>heard of such a requirement. Maybe you got a clerk that is misinformed.
    >>
    >>ED W

    >
    >
    > I not only dealt with the clerk, I demanded to see the manager - he
    > parrotted the same stance. "If the item isn't in its original packaging
    > they won't insure it for more than $100." I put the drum in a
    > television box with at least 2" of packing material on all sides. This
    > is nuts.
    >
    > What's worse is when I called Fed Ex to schedule a pickup the operator
    > told me the same thing - Unless I ship "EXPRESS". What a racket!!
    >
    > RP
  2. George Lawrence <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote:

    > As far as who is better or worse, UPS, USPS and FedEx have all torn up
    > shipments to and from me. USPS is the worst about losing things. I only ship
    > with them for media rate, international or if the customer requires it.


    I agree that USPS *can* be the worst about losing things (not
    damage though) But it very much depends on WHERE the package is
    going. If it's going to D.C or say Baltimore, God help you!
    You postively CANNOT believe the things that pass for Postal
    workers in those places. A few other cities are nearly as bad.
    But if you are shipping around the midwest, USPS is hard to beat!

    Benj
    (Who got some large heads shipped from Puerto Rico USPS dirt
    cheap, arrived fast, and no damage)
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  3. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    "Rev. Poindexter" wrote:

    > I've had it with these bozos. I made the trek today to send some items
    > out and they inform me at the desk, " We can't insure any items that
    > aren't in their original packaging."
    > WTF??? A 20 year old drum I wanted to insure for $200-- well packed
    > with 3 inches of insulation on all sides and they say NO?
    >
    > I guess it's Fed Ex from here on out.
    >
    > What a bunch of morons.
    >
    > RP
    >
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    I quit using UPS a LONG time ago.


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
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  4. NoSheeples

    NoSheeples Guest

    George the arrogant nose full nickels
    wrote.


    >
    >Tom the village idiot wrote. "USPS never damages my
    >> > > packages"


    Wow George, yet another display of pompous arrogance. Are you not capable of
    refraining from calling people names?
    I forgot though, you know it all. You're the same arrogant condescending stupid
    Dick that said none buys my drum beaters. Between ebay and word of mouth I have
    sold over 100. Did it ever occur to your small cranial cavity that maybe my
    post office handles packages better? I stand by what said. They rarely damage
    my packages, so maybe it's the idiot that packs them?

    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch. Liberty is
    a well armed lamb protesting the vote."
  5. Mark Polis

    Mark Polis Guest

    Yes - and when you sent me that 20" old K some years back via USPS, it took
    three months to arrive.
    Remember THAT, Rob?
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    "You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
    --


    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F3D43E5.7E0460A5@robschuh.com...
    >
    > I quit using UPS a LONG time ago.
    >
    > Robert Schuh
  6. -sTu-

    -sTu- Guest

    > We had 4 $20,000 Instruments damaged in one year, and we only shipped 12.

    Wow you work for a big company don't you. I sold and shipped more than $300k
    in equipment last week..Although only about $100k was through UPS.

    > You are extremely lucky. It must be where your located.


    Chicago. So no luck there eh?

    > I know for a fact how they
    > treat packages. I watched in horror as the Ups guy dragged a wooden crate
    > housing one of the interments across the pavement.


    Why are you shipping wooden crates through UPS? Why not via a freight
    company? Are you that cheap?

    > UPS has to worry more
    > about the speedy delivery then the package.


    Yeah, they have to ship quickly and reliably. Or us fortune 1000 companies
    won't use them.

    > The reason you have so
    > little trouble is likley due to the fact that you're shipping items in

    factory
    > packaging so they are suriving the abuse. Anything less then that is

    asking for
    > trouble. UPS has a horrible track record for damaging items.


    Yes we do pack our equipment professionally so our end users do end up with
    broken crap and get mad at us. It is called being a responsible mfg.

    >Frankly I think
    > your numbers are full of shit. Actually I know they are.
    >


    No, they are not. You are. Eat shit Skippy and don't bother replying your
    back in the kill file for being an ass.

    --
    -sTu-

    ....and I'll never go to Sacramento again.
    - Nick (Soulbelly) of RMMP
  7. -sTu-

    -sTu- Guest

    Don't work for them, just don't have problems. Then again I work for a
    company that has a corporate agreement, maybe that is the difference.

    By the way take a rest on the greedy management. That is a pile of 1970s
    liberal crap. Oh, no I must be evil greedy management too! Long live Che
    Guevara!

    --
    -sTu-

    ....and I'll never go to Sacramento again.
    - Nick (Soulbelly) of RMMP

    <bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net> wrote in message
    news:bhir1r$8kl$1@tribune.oar.net...
    > -sTu- <kthalstu@covad.net> wrote:
    > > The company I work for ships delicate instruments through UPS and rarely

    has
    > > ever had a problem (1 out of 100,000 packages). We ship something near
    > > 4,000-10,000 packages a day through UPS. In the various jobs I've had in

    my
    > > company I have shipped hundreds of packages and equipment via UPS and

    never
    > > had a problem with damage. I don't know what you've seen but for me UPS

    is a
    > > great service.

    >
    > How much is UPS PR paying you to say this? I don't know what you call
    > "delicate" or how you pack them, but I can say for a FACT that if they
    > can't stand being pitched from the rear of a semitrailer up to a pile in
    > the front of it, you are going to get damage. The days of gently carrying
    > a package over and carefully stacking it are long gone! Been there saw
    > it with my own eyes!
    >
    > And why did I see it? Well that was because of the policy of
    > my local UPS driver to ring the bell, put the "third delivery
    > notice" on the door (even though it was the FIRST delivery) and
    > race off before you could even open the door. Your only chance
    > was to spot the truck up the street first and have the door
    > open when he got there.
    >
    > So normal was to have to drive to the UPS hub to find your package.
    > Usually it was lost and they take me in the back to dig through
    > a package pile to see if I could spot it. And it was in the
    > back where all those package-torture S & M setups greeted
    > my innocent eyes! Yeah, I usually found my box and yeah, it
    > was usually packed well enough to be OK...BUT
    >
    > However, the good news has been that with the new policy of just
    > dumping packages in your yard without signing for them, I
    > haven't been to the hub lately. Of course they did deliver
    > my new conga drum one street over leaving it on a porch on the
    > street corner where it quickly disappeared. The dummies even
    > noted on their own sheets that they left it one street over!
    > Where do they find these people! At least that quickly terminated
    > their "investigation" as to what *I* did with the package!
    > Now I DO support the policy of distributing free conga drums
    > around my neighborhood, it's just that I'd rather not be the
    > one paying for it. :) Happily the store put it right and shipped
    > another pronto. But no thanks to UPS.
    >
    > It basically isn't a bad outfit, it's just that as usual
    > mangagment greed has greatly impacted quality of service.
    >
    > If your shipment if ready for an NFL drop-kick then probably
    > UPS will work for you. Otherwise they suck.
    >
    > Benj
    >
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  8. NoSheeples

    NoSheeples Guest

    >
    >Wow you work for a big company don't you.


    Bigger than any company in the world.



    > I sold and shipped more than $300k
    >in equipment last week.


    Ohh look a pissing contest. Let's detract
    from the originasl topic wich is UPS damages tons of packages.

    >Chicago. So no luck there eh?


    That just makes you even more full of shit.

    >Why are you shipping wooden crates through UPS? Why not via a freight
    >company? Are you that cheap?


    Why is UPS mishandling packages?
    Cheap? It had 6 layers of foam and it still had severe shock damage. Ever use
    a drop and tell? We do. They are tripped 9 out of ten times. When you figure
    out what a drop and tell is you can reply.


    >
    >Yeah, they have to ship quickly and reliably. Or us fortune 1000 companies
    >won't use them.


    Correct, and that's why they damage packages. The bottom line is speed.

    >
    >No, they are not. You are. Eat shit Skippy and don't bother replying your
    >back in the kill file for being an ass.
    >


    Im sure I am, that's becuase I cought you lying. You are more full of shit
    each time you post. UPS will even admit thet damage as many packages as you
    send out every day.

    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch. Liberty is
    a well armed lamb protesting the vote."
  9. PeriscopeR

    PeriscopeR Guest

    Subject: Re: F**K UPS!!!! (United Parcel Service)
    From: JaKe <A
    HREF="mailto:jkdrummer@NOSPAMyahoo.com">jkdrummer@NOSPAMyahoo.com</A>
    Date: Fri, Aug 15, 2003 8:49 AM
    Message-id: <3F3D0103.178857AD@NOSPAMyahoo.com>

    PeriscopeR wrote:
    >
    > In the last month I have had two busted bass drums- one from UPS and one from
    > Fed Ex.
    >
    > e
    >


    Busted in what way?

    --
    JaKe, Seattle
    "The monk bought lunch"
    Jim Morrison


    Fed Ex busted a hoop on the starclassic I shipped and UPS busted a 26" bass
    drum shell- buckled the drum almust the whole way down the drum.


    e
  10. -sTu- <kthalstu@covad.net> wrote:
    > Don't work for them, just don't have problems. Then again I work for a
    > company that has a corporate agreement, maybe that is the difference.


    Dunno. Could be the difference for all I know.

    > By the way take a rest on the greedy management. That is a pile of 1970s
    > liberal crap. Oh, no I must be evil greedy management too! Long live Che
    > Guevara!


    <snort!> Yeah, right *I'm* a liberal!!! :) Oh yeah, corporate greed
    ended back in the 70s. Um, WHAT office you running for? Gov.
    of California perhaps?

    I may be an "R" and to the right of Attila the Hun, but I've got
    eyes in my head! It only takes about 5 minutes talking to UPS
    drivers to see how corporate attitude at UPS has totally changed
    from let's provide good service to let's squeeze as much as we
    can out of as little as possible to make us manangers look good.

    The problem is endemic in America. I've seen so much of this.
    Enron is just the tip of the iceberg. Corporate management
    takes the view that the important thing is to make *themselves*
    look good even if their policies destroy the company. And the
    thing I've never understood is that after these clowns DO
    destroy the company, they then use the fact that they used to
    run it on their resume to land that next obscenely paying job
    with the next outfit! I keep wondering just WHO is stupid enough
    to hire say a CEO who put a company under to be YOUR CEO? But
    the answer is apparently ALL the board members in this country!
    All this ranks right up there with giving CEOs who are destroying
    companies huge bonuses for doing a "good job"! Someone's values
    are a tad off, methinks.

    And we are wondering just why it is that UPS sucks?

    Benj
  11. In article <9m7%a.7855$Ih1.2604558@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>, George
    Lawrence <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote:

    > If you do it online it doesn't matter. The original
    > packaging thing isn't brought up. They sell me the insurance and I collect
    > if need be.


    This is the route I took. I paid online and printed out the shipping
    labels. We're in a small town and the UPS guy and I are friendly. I
    asked him to swing by and pick them up. Done deal.

    It's just ridiculous that after all this time and dozens of shipments,
    they make me jump through these hoops to send a simple package out.

    Sheesh!!!

    RP

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  12. joem

    joem Guest

    Rev. Poindexter wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > This is the route I took. I paid online and printed out the shipping
    > labels. We're in a small town and the UPS guy and I are friendly. I
    > asked him to swing by and pick them up. Done deal.


    they charge a fee for pickup, though, don't they? I think it's like $5
    or something, but I could be mistaken.

    --
    Joe.

    "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    chance." - storm&stress
  13. Frisco

    Frisco Guest

    It's actually less to have them swing by and pick up shipments in my
    town. Go figure... I don't have to drive 20 minutes to schlepp a
    bunch of big boxes and they charge me less. Win-win.

    Paul

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:06:09 GMT, joem
    <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote:

    >Rev. Poindexter wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    >> This is the route I took. I paid online and printed out the shipping
    >> labels. We're in a small town and the UPS guy and I are friendly. I
    >> asked him to swing by and pick them up. Done deal.

    >
    >they charge a fee for pickup, though, don't they? I think it's like $5
    >or something, but I could be mistaken.
  14. I sure hate to jinx myself here, but I've shipped tons of stuff with
    all of these companies, UPS, Fedx & USPS and haven't had any troubles
    yet. I've shipped complete drums, singles, guitars with and without
    cases, keyboards, etc...never any damage or lost packages. This year,
    I've done a ton of stuff International as well. I always use USPS for
    the International shipping. I have heard this "original package"
    stuff come up recently. Only when someone was sending me a pair of
    guitar amp/heads. They were two Ampeg V-4 heads from the mid 70s that
    weighed about 70lbs ea. UPS and Fedx said that they wouldn't insure
    electronics for more than $100 that weren't in their original
    packaging. The guy just sent them to me via USPS.
    So, this makes no sense, the original packaging statement. What if I
    worked for a museum and was shipping a painting to another museum?
    How does original packaging apply? What about antique furniture?
    There's a million other examples. Items that never had packaging?
    Rare books, etc....
    I'm sure they're just getting overwhelmed with claims on stuff that
    was poorly packed. I've gotten items that I can't believe they
    weren't broken.
    We should all look into this further...try to find on their website
    where they say this restriction on insurance. If I can't insure, I'm
    not shipping or buying stuff anymore.
    later,
    m
  15. I just emailed UPS and Fedex and got the same answer. This is not an
    overall policy. I also went all over their websites and saw no
    mention of it either. UPS even had a section that discussed NOT
    reusing original boxes if they're too worn out looking.
    later,
    m

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