Getting closer to the kit.

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by Richard H. Blount, Aug 14, 2003.

  1. As I may have mentioned earlier, I am recently disabled and have for the
    last couple weeks trying to get back to my beloved hobby of playing along
    with the oldies on the radio. It has become a problem falling off the
    throne so I got energetic this morning and tried lowering the toms and snare
    and trying to wheel in behind the set. Problem is I cant seem to get close
    enough to get a good hunker going. I rather seem to have to reach out more
    than is comfortable and robs me of what speed I have left. Also as my elbows
    are resting on the arms I believe I will resemble popeye in short order. Are
    there any others out there that might have suggestions? Do they make thrones
    with like a seat belt or something to keep me from wiping out in a very
    undignified manner? I have a heckuva lot of time on my hands now and don¹t
    want to get addicted to TV or ebay (although I do browse ebay a lot looking
    but not buying) and the kit keeps calling me out to the garage.
  2. Pat McDonald

    Pat McDonald Guest

    In article <BB6154E2.270B%rh.blount@adelphia.net>, Richard H. Blount
    <rh.blount@adelphia.net> wrote:

    > As I may have mentioned earlier, I am recently disabled and have for the
    > last couple weeks trying to get back to my beloved hobby of playing along
    > with the oldies on the radio. It has become a problem falling off the
    > throne so I got energetic this morning and tried lowering the toms and snare
    > and trying to wheel in behind the set. Problem is I cant seem to get close
    > enough to get a good hunker going. I rather seem to have to reach out more
    > than is comfortable and robs me of what speed I have left. Also as my elbows
    > are resting on the arms I believe I will resemble popeye in short order. Are
    > there any others out there that might have suggestions? Do they make thrones
    > with like a seat belt or something to keep me from wiping out in a very
    > undignified manner? I have a heckuva lot of time on my hands now and don¹t
    > want to get addicted to TV or ebay (although I do browse ebay a lot looking
    > but not buying) and the kit keeps calling me out to the garage.
    >
    >

    Hey Richard-

    Man, it's great to hear you haven't lost the drum bug! If you're
    even slightly mobile, maybe you should look into a DrumFrame. It's a
    rack system that tilts back with a tall-backed, reclined seat that
    sounds like it might be just the ticket to enable you to get closer to
    the drums and not have to be concerned with falling off the throne.
    I'm sure a Google search would show something for you.

    Pat
  3. John P.

    John P. Guest

    "Richard H. Blount" <rh.blount@adelphia.net> wrote in a message

    > Problem is I cant seem to get close enough to get a good hunker going. I

    rather
    > seem to have to reach out more than is comfortable and robs me of what

    speed
    > I have left.


    You can get a little bit more reach using longer sticks (maybe).

    I'm looking into this "Off-Set Bass Drum Pedal"... it's a double, which you
    may not want, but it has the beaters in the middle with pedals to the right
    & left. That allows you to put the snare in the center of you BD, between
    your mounted toms. Something like that might give you more options on your
    setup and where you're sitting.

    More info here:
    http://www.pointtremolo.com/off-set_basspedal.pdf
  4. Chris Ely

    Chris Ely Guest

    >
    >
    ><BB6154E2.270B%rh.blount@adelphia.net>, Richard H. Blount
    ><rh.blount@adelphia.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I am recently disabled
    >>
    >>

    <snip>

    >>
    >>

    > If you're even slightly mobile, maybe you should look into a DrumFrame.
    >I'm sure a Google search would show something for you.
    >
    >Pat
    >
    >
    >

    <snip>

    Manufacturer:
    http://drumframe.com/

    Retail:
    http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=35158

    -C.J.
    ====================
    "Nothing done by accident is art" -Duke Ellington
  5. joem

    joem Guest

    John P. wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > You can get a little bit more reach using longer sticks (maybe).
    >
    > I'm looking into this "Off-Set Bass Drum Pedal"... it's a double, which you
    > may not want, but it has the beaters in the middle with pedals to the right
    > & left. That allows you to put the snare in the center of you BD, between
    > your mounted toms. Something like that might give you more options on your
    > setup and where you're sitting.


    if he's just interested in a single pedal, any double pedal will work as
    an "offset pedal." that is, one can position the bass drum anywhere they
    wish (within reason) and place the pedal pretty much anywhere they wish
    by just using the "slave" pedal as the "master" and attaching the master
    pedal to the drum itself.

    --
    Joe.

    "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    chance." - storm&stress
  6. John P.

    John P. Guest

    "joem" <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote in a message


    > if he's just interested in a single pedal, any double pedal will work as
    > an "offset pedal." that is, one can position the bass drum anywhere they
    > wish (within reason) and place the pedal pretty much anywhere they wish
    > by just using the "slave" pedal as the "master" and attaching the master
    > pedal to the drum itself.


    I was thinking that, but double pedals seem set up with the slave pedal on
    the left. I didn't go down to look at mine to see if it was possible to have
    the slave on the right... never been something I wanted to do.
  7. Dik LeDoux

    Dik LeDoux Guest

    Yeah, the drumframe thing seems like it'd work well, but I don't think
    there's any way to hold yourself down in it. Seems like any solutions gonna
    include a DIY seatbelt mod.

    Dik

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    "Pat McDonald" <patdrums@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
    news:140820031419390418%patdrums@bellsouth.net...
    > In article <BB6154E2.270B%rh.blount@adelphia.net>, Richard H. Blount
    > <rh.blount@adelphia.net> wrote:
    >
    > > As I may have mentioned earlier, I am recently disabled and have for the
    > > last couple weeks trying to get back to my beloved hobby of playing

    along
    > > with the oldies on the radio. It has become a problem falling off the
    > > throne so I got energetic this morning and tried lowering the toms and

    snare
    > > and trying to wheel in behind the set. Problem is I cant seem to get

    close
    > > enough to get a good hunker going. I rather seem to have to reach out

    more
    > > than is comfortable and robs me of what speed I have left. Also as my

    elbows
    > > are resting on the arms I believe I will resemble popeye in short order.

    Are
    > > there any others out there that might have suggestions? Do they make

    thrones
    > > with like a seat belt or something to keep me from wiping out in a very
    > > undignified manner? I have a heckuva lot of time on my hands now and

    don¹t
    > > want to get addicted to TV or ebay (although I do browse ebay a lot

    looking
    > > but not buying) and the kit keeps calling me out to the garage.
    > >
    > >

    > Hey Richard-
    >
    > Man, it's great to hear you haven't lost the drum bug! If you're
    > even slightly mobile, maybe you should look into a DrumFrame. It's a
    > rack system that tilts back with a tall-backed, reclined seat that
    > sounds like it might be just the ticket to enable you to get closer to
    > the drums and not have to be concerned with falling off the throne.
    > I'm sure a Google search would show something for you.
    >
    > Pat
    >
  8. Pat McDonald <patdrums@bellsouth.net> wrote:

    > Hey Richard-


    > Man, it's great to hear you haven't lost the drum bug! If you're
    > even slightly mobile, maybe you should look into a DrumFrame. It's a
    > rack system that tilts back with a tall-backed, reclined seat that
    > sounds like it might be just the ticket to enable you to get closer to
    > the drums and not have to be concerned with falling off the throne.
    > I'm sure a Google search would show something for you.
    > Pat


    I was just about to say this when Pat beat me too it. I've got a
    drumFrame and it solves the balancing on a stool problem for
    all drummers. It's proved especially useful for disabled drummers
    and those with certain painful diseases that limit motion,
    ability to sit, etc. While the chair is high-backed it could
    be a tad larger perhaps (depending on the size of your butt...
    mine is large). But I believe it is just THE answer for you.
    Yes it wouldn't take much to modify the seat to put a larger
    bottom or yes, even a seat belt on it! They are kind of expensive
    as rack systems go, but in your case I believe it is the ticket.

    If you want to learn more see if you can get hold of Bob
    Gatzen at Drumframe.com. He's a great guy and I'm sure
    can give you lots of success stories about other disabled
    drummers who have found the DrumFrame has made the complete
    difference between being able to enjoy playing and giving it
    up.

    Benj
    (Who loves his DrumFrame!)
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  9. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    > Hey Richard-
    >
    > Man, it's great to hear you haven't lost the drum bug! If you're
    > even slightly mobile, maybe you should look into a DrumFrame. It's a
    > rack system that tilts back with a tall-backed, reclined seat that
    > sounds like it might be just the ticket to enable you to get closer to
    > the drums and not have to be concerned with falling off the throne.
    > I'm sure a Google search would show something for you.
    >
    > Pat
    >



    That's just what I was thinking, Pat. I wonder if Bob Gatzen has
    any demo models sitting around he would give up for cheap.

    If it's something you're interested in, Richard, I bet we could take
    up an rmmp collection.


    -MIKE-

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  10. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    > Yeah, the drumframe thing seems like it'd work well, but I don't think
    > there's any way to hold yourself down in it. Seems like any solutions
    > gonna include a DIY seatbelt mod.
    >
    > Dik



    It's hard to get *off* a drumframe. :)

    I think a drumframe would free up his balance to be able to play
    much more freely.


    -MIKE-

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  11. Pat McDonald

    Pat McDonald Guest

    In article <GOmdnT5u14ypZqaiU-KYvw@comcast.com>, -MIKE-
    <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote:

    > > Hey Richard-
    > >
    > > Man, it's great to hear you haven't lost the drum bug! If you're
    > > even slightly mobile, maybe you should look into a DrumFrame. It's a
    > > rack system that tilts back with a tall-backed, reclined seat that
    > > sounds like it might be just the ticket to enable you to get closer to
    > > the drums and not have to be concerned with falling off the throne.
    > > I'm sure a Google search would show something for you.
    > >
    > > Pat
    > >

    >
    >
    > That's just what I was thinking, Pat. I wonder if Bob Gatzen has
    > any demo models sitting around he would give up for cheap.
    >
    > If it's something you're interested in, Richard, I bet we could take
    > up an rmmp collection.
    >
    >
    > -MIKE-
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    > mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
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    >




    I'll make the first donation if you're serious, Mike.


    Pat
  12. joem

    joem Guest

    John P. wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > I was thinking that, but double pedals seem set up with the slave pedal on
    > the left. I didn't go down to look at mine to see if it was possible to have
    > the slave on the right... never been something I wanted to do.


    I didn't think he cared too much, so long as he could play his kit.

    --
    Joe.

    "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    chance." - storm&stress
  13. MMORITZ884

    MMORITZ884 Guest

    - Get an office chair from OfficeMax or Staples, with back rest and arm rests
    to prevent tippage, and
    - Get a HipGig Jr. or similar with "gay" bass drum so you can set everything
    low, or
    - Get a Roland SPD pad with a pedal, and you can set the drums and pedal
    anywhere you want.
  14. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    >> That's just what I was thinking, Pat. I wonder if Bob Gatzen has
    >> any demo models sitting around he would give up for cheap.
    >>
    >> If it's something you're interested in, Richard, I bet we could take
    >> up an rmmp collection.
    >>
    >>
    >> -MIKE-
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    > I'll make the first donation if you're serious, Mike.
    >
    >
    > Pat
    >



    I'm totally serious. I'm going to try to get a hold of Bob and see
    what he feels like he can do. See future post.


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  15. John P.

    John P. Guest

    "joem" <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote in a message

    > I didn't think he cared too much, so long as he could play his kit.


    Well, either way, it's a possible option that may or may not help. He'll
    just have to try different things and see what feels best for him.
  16. Dik LeDoux <dikledoux@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Yeah, the drumframe thing seems like it'd work well, but I don't think
    > there's any way to hold yourself down in it. Seems like any solutions gonna
    > include a DIY seatbelt mod.


    Actually it's not as bad as you night think. For one thing, sitting
    on a normal throne is like sitting on the top of a flag pole.
    you can tilt off in any direction. On the drumframe, you really only
    can tilt left and right and sort of roll off the chair. And I'm thinking
    that even that could be drastically improved if say you swapped
    the DrumFRame seat bottom for say a Roc n Sock large motorcycle
    seat that sort of cradles your bottom. Plus if worse came to worse
    it'd be a snap to add a "seatbelt" to the drumFrame seat. A seatbelt
    won't work on a normal drum throne because you can tilt of in
    any direction. But on the DrumFrame seat, you could put the strap
    around the back rest and you could never fall off! Or also you might
    add a couple of side pads to back rest to brace you left and right. But
    truthfully, I really think that the chair will probably work pretty well
    as is! The one problem I can see as someone noted is that getting into
    the seat might be a hassle. But once there you could ROOL!

    Benj
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  17. >
    >
    > That's just what I was thinking, Pat. I wonder if Bob Gatzen has
    > any demo models sitting around he would give up for cheap.
    >
    > If it's something you're interested in, Richard, I bet we could take
    > up an rmmp collection.
    >
    >
    > -MIKE-



    Wait a minute here, guys. Let's not be insulting. The man says he is
    disabled, has trouble getting close to the kit and you want to give him
    money? Is this going to make you feel better or something? Personally if it
    were me, I would find your offer insensitive and affront to my self of
    steam. He is not asking for a handout here, just a solution.

    PP
  18. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    >> That's just what I was thinking, Pat. I wonder if Bob Gatzen has
    >> any demo models sitting around he would give up for cheap.
    >>
    >> If it's something you're interested in, Richard, I bet we could take
    >> up an rmmp collection.
    >>
    >>
    >> -MIKE-

    >
    >
    > Wait a minute here, guys. Let's not be insulting. The man says he is
    > disabled, has trouble getting close to the kit and you want to give him
    > money? Is this going to make you feel better or something? Personally if
    > it were me, I would find your offer insensitive and affront to my self of
    > steam. He is not asking for a handout here, just a solution.
    >
    > PP
    >


    Well it's not you Pete. If it were you and you took offence, we
    wouldn't do it. Richard and I have corresponded about this. If he
    were to change his mind, or find that one of the other options he is
    exploring solves the problem, we will drop it.

    BTW, who said we want to give him money. We want to help him get a
    drumframe, if it will solve his problem. We don't want to give him
    money. We want to help provide him with a solution.

    Pride stands in the way of many blessings. And since when is it a
    crime to feel good about helping others? I'll get pissed off about
    the whole thing, if it means you'll contribute more. :p


    -MIKE-

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  19. John P. <JohnP6617@removethiscomcast.net> wrote:

    > I'm looking into this "Off-Set Bass Drum Pedal"... it's a double, which you
    > may not want, but it has the beaters in the middle with pedals to the right
    > & left. That allows you to put the snare in the center of you BD, between
    > your mounted toms. Something like that might give you more options on your
    > setup and where you're sitting.


    > More info here:
    > http://www.pointtremolo.com/off-set_basspedal.pdf


    Here's another idea that might work. Airto Moreira came up with
    using a double bass pedal on his percussion rig. It's NOT
    used as a double, but you play the slave pedal as a single.
    You do that so that the bass drum can be way off to the right.
    I can see where you could set up something with bass to the
    right and cable hat to the left and say a pair of toms
    on a stand that you could wheel right up to and if the
    arms were taken off the chair, you might have plenty
    of room to flail around.

    I'd approach the problem the way I did with my drumset.
    Don't just do like so many do and look for places to sit
    stands and clamp things but turn it around. Start FIRST
    with where you want the varous drums and pedals to be and
    THEN find ways to mount them there. I'd start with a
    chair that works be it wheeled or DrumFrame or other and
    once you've got that down, then move on to how you can mount
    the various drum things in the right relation to the chair.

    Just my 2 Cents.

    Benj
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  20. Lacreta

    Lacreta Guest

    "Richard H. Blount"
    > As I may have mentioned earlier, I am recently disabled and have for the
    > last couple weeks trying to get back to my beloved hobby of playing along
    > with the oldies on the radio.


    I just wanted to add how great it is to see supportive in-put from
    the group. And now I'm interested in the drum frame too. I have
    really short legs, (I'm a 5'2" woman btw) and getting to each and
    every drum, cymbal, cow bell, or whatever is rather interesting for
    me. I hate it when my husband, (a guitar player) moves anything,,,

    anyway, the whole drum thing for me has been a real inspiration. My
    ankles were shattered 11 years ago and I have a bunch of hardware
    in my ankles. Fortunately I'm in relatively decent shape and can
    get around fine. Taking up drums has greatly improved my leg
    strength, stamina, and mobility range. Plus it hasn't hurt my
    ego either..........people love to hear that a woman plays drums.

    thanx for a great thread,
    Tara

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