Good MIDI-Sequencer for Atari ST ?

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by Radiobrain, May 29, 2003.

  1. Radiobrain

    Radiobrain Guest

    Hi all ,
    I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.
    Now, i'm looking a good music program to make work this little thing.
    I tried Cubase lite but too light. Not enough editing menu.
    I also tried Notator but too complexe when you don't be the Conceptor
    of Notator.
    Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?

    Any proposition welcome:)
    Thanks for your answers.

    PS: I'm ready to invest.
  2. Rob

    Rob Guest

    Well you could try Cubase full version 3.01, there's plenty of editing
    menu's in that.
    You can use the unitor with it, but I'm not sure what you use it for
    (wethere it's just the syncing, or if you can use the midi ports too)

    Other than cubase and notator (or creator), there's not much else (if
    anything) that you can use the unitor for)..

    Rob



    On Thu, 29 May 2003 19:26:04 +0200, "Radiobrain"
    <radiobrain@bluewin.ch> wrote:

    >Hi all ,
    >I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.
    >Now, i'm looking a good music program to make work this little thing.
    >I tried Cubase lite but too light. Not enough editing menu.
    >I also tried Notator but too complexe when you don't be the Conceptor
    >of Notator.
    >Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?
    >
    >Any proposition welcome:)
    >Thanks for your answers.
    >
    >PS: I'm ready to invest.
    >
  3. Hello.

    "Radiobrain" <radiobrain@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
    news:3ed641dc$1_3@news.bluewin.ch...
    > Hi all ,
    > I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.


    Good move. Is it an STF, STFM or STE?

    > Does anyone know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?


    Cubase v3 is the industry standard.

    Which Unitor do you have, 'N', 'C' or '2'?

    Unitor '2' will work with Cubase, the dongle will fit in it.

    Unitor 'N' and 'C' have no dongle port. If you want to use (the best) Cubase
    sell the Unitor on to fund the purchase of Cubase.

    Cubase is available from Keychange Music, (me). www.keychange.co.uk


    Full package is £99, dongle and discs only is £65.

    I may do a deal on the Unitor if it's an 'N' or 'C'

    > PS: I'm ready to invest.


    Good.
  4. Rob

    Rob Guest

    Barrie, you say the dongle will fit into the unitor 2, do you have to
    cut the ends of it down, as mine is clearly too big, and won't fit in,
    unless I modify it's case.



    On Thu, 29 May 2003 22:45:42 +0100, "Barrie at Keychange"
    <barrie@keychange.co.uk> wrote:

    >Hello.
    >
    >"Radiobrain" <radiobrain@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
    >news:3ed641dc$1_3@news.bluewin.ch...
    >> Hi all ,
    >> I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.

    >
    >Good move. Is it an STF, STFM or STE?
    >
    >> Does anyone know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?

    >
    >Cubase v3 is the industry standard.
    >
    >Which Unitor do you have, 'N', 'C' or '2'?
    >
    >Unitor '2' will work with Cubase, the dongle will fit in it.
    >
    >Unitor 'N' and 'C' have no dongle port. If you want to use (the best) Cubase
    >sell the Unitor on to fund the purchase of Cubase.
    >
    >Cubase is available from Keychange Music, (me). www.keychange.co.uk
    >
    >
    >Full package is £99, dongle and discs only is £65.
    >
    >I may do a deal on the Unitor if it's an 'N' or 'C'
    >
    >> PS: I'm ready to invest.

    >
    >Good.
    >
    >
  5. In article <3ed641dc$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>,
    "Radiobrain" <radiobrain@bluewin.ch> wrote:

    >Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?


    Try Trackman. It is PD now so you should be able to find it by searching ST
    archive sites.
  6. cousteau

    cousteau Guest

  7. Tim Conrardy

    Tim Conrardy Guest

    hitman@spammer.deathsquad.com (Graham Hinton) wrote in message news:<BAFC68E19668319D0D@0.0.0.0>...
    > In article <3ed641dc$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>,
    > "Radiobrain" <radiobrain@bluewin.ch> wrote:
    >
    > >Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?

    >
    > Try Trackman. It is PD now so you should be able to find it by searching ST
    > archive sites.



    Hi all
    Trackman is on my site with a good selection of Atari-MIDI sequencers.
    The "bread and butter" section I call it. See my main page.

    http://tamw.atari-users.net/timidi.htm

    We have several alternitives to Cubase, although I don't know if the
    unitor unit will work on everything.

    I also recommend Master Tracks Pro,( the HTML manual is now available
    as well) or even Dr T's KCS ( Keyboard Controlled Sequencer)although
    people say there is a big learning curve on that, but it has LOTS of
    editing functions including PVG ( Programmable Variation Generator)

    I also recommend trying out some of the more adventerous apps on my
    site which are of the algorithmic nature. For a good starting point on
    these, download the Atari-MIDI toolbox now at http://www.myatari.net
    on my monthly article.


    have fun!

    Tim Conrardy
    TAMW
  8. Does Live work under MagiC?

    Jos
    "cousteau" <thomas.raukamp@t-online.de> schreef in bericht
    news:b9eb3dd8.0305292058.4bcefbc8@posting.google.com...
    > Hi.
    >
    > In my opinion LIVE is the best sequencer ever build for the Atari:
    >
    > http://www.harald.plontke.de/HaraldPlontke/
    >
    > Just try it, I couldn´t live without it anymore.
    >
    > --
    > thomas
  9. Loki Harfagr

    Loki Harfagr Guest

    "Radiobrain" <radiobrain@bluewin.ch> wrote in
    news:3ed641dc$1_3@news.bluewin.ch:

    > I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.
    > Now, i'm looking a good music program to make work this little thing.
    > I tried Cubase lite but too light. Not enough editing menu.
    > I also tried Notator but too complexe when you don't be the Conceptor
    > of Notator.


    That may be right, I thought that Notator was fairly
    easy to use but I started with its ancestor (Creator)
    which may explain the learning curve passed :)

    > Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?


    Anyway you also can try the Logic (Midi not Audio on the ST)
    It is the superseder of the Notator and is really lots more
    easier to begin and much more powerful when you get passed
    the learning of the 800 pages of doc :)

    (I used to use the Logic 1.7 and 2.0 and 2.01 on the STF
    I don't know if the 2.5 works but it should)
  10. Loki Harfagr

    Loki Harfagr Guest

    "Radiobrain" <radiobrain@bluewin.ch> wrote in
    news:3ed641dc$1_3@news.bluewin.ch:

    > I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.
    > Now, i'm looking a good music program to make work this little thing.
    > I tried Cubase lite but too light. Not enough editing menu.
    > I also tried Notator but too complexe when you don't be the Conceptor
    > of Notator.


    That may be right, I thought that Notator was fairly
    easy to use but I started with its ancestor (Creator)
    which may explain the learning curve passed :)

    > Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?


    Anyway you also can try the Logic (Midi not Audio on the ST)
    It is the superseder of the Notator and is really lots more
    easier to begin and much more powerful when you get passed
    the learning of the 800 pages of doc :)

    (I used to use the Logic 1.7 and 2.0 and 2.01 on the STF
    I don't know if the 2.5 works but it should)
  11. >Hi all ,
    >I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.
    >Now, i'm looking a good music program to make work this little thing.
    >I tried Cubase lite but too light. Not enough editing menu.
    >I also tried Notator but too complexe when you don't be the Conceptor
    >of Notator.
    >Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?
    >
    >Any proposition welcome:)
    >Thanks for your answers.
    >
    >PS: I'm ready to invest.


    If you want something simple I would try Tiger Cub. I have used on
    my ST and STe and it works great. On my Hades I am using Sweet 16
    which would also run on a ST. Right now, to my knowlege, Sweet 16
    is the only midi sequencer that is still being supported and
    updated.
    --
    Edward S. Baiz Jr.
    (Gamer)

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  12. >Hi all ,
    >I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.
    >Now, i'm looking a good music program to make work this little thing.
    >I tried Cubase lite but too light. Not enough editing menu.
    >I also tried Notator but too complexe when you don't be the Conceptor
    >of Notator.
    >Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?
    >
    >Any proposition welcome:)
    >Thanks for your answers.
    >
    >PS: I'm ready to invest.


    If you want something simple I would try Tiger Cub. I have used on
    my ST and STe and it works great. On my Hades I am using Sweet 16
    which would also run on a ST. Right now, to my knowlege, Sweet 16
    is the only midi sequencer that is still being supported and
    updated.
    --
    Edward S. Baiz Jr.
    (Gamer)

    HADES 060: 256meg Ram, Yamaha & Sony CDRW Drive, 1 gig
    Jaz Drive, MicroTek E3 Scanner, Mach 64 w/4meg Ram, Epson
    Photo 700 printer, PCI Networking Card, ICQ#91257633
    PROGRAMS: Extendos Gold, Cab 2.8, ScanX, GlueStik, aFTP,
    Calamus SL2002, Newswatch, Okami, PlayMyCD, Papyrus 8, Smurf,
    Nova Driver 2.67, NVDI 5, Mint(Net), Magic(Net), N.AES, Geneva

  13. >Hi all ,
    >I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.
    >Now, i'm looking a good music program to make work this little thing.
    >I tried Cubase lite but too light. Not enough editing menu.
    >I also tried Notator but too complexe when you don't be the Conceptor
    >of Notator.
    >Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?
    >
    >Any proposition welcome:)
    >Thanks for your answers.
    >
    >PS: I'm ready to invest.
    >



    Cubase or Notator. Both are full-featured, complex programs. Learn
    and enjoy!

    CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm

  14. >Hi all ,
    >I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.
    >Now, i'm looking a good music program to make work this little thing.
    >I tried Cubase lite but too light. Not enough editing menu.
    >I also tried Notator but too complexe when you don't be the Conceptor
    >of Notator.
    >Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?
    >
    >Any proposition welcome:)
    >Thanks for your answers.
    >
    >PS: I'm ready to invest.
    >



    Cubase or Notator. Both are full-featured, complex programs. Learn
    and enjoy!

    CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
  15. cousteau

    cousteau Guest

    "J.J.van de Gruiter" <jos_van_de_gruiter@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bb7lto$559$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>...

    > Does Live work under MagiC?


    No, it doesn´t. It boots, but as soon as I move the mouse it freezes.
    Anyway, it works on my Mega STE 4 on the Crazy Dots II in 800x608 in
    256 colours. To me, a bigger space was much more important than
    multitasking.
    BTW: LIVE uses MROS, which means you can use all those nice drivers :)

    --
    thomas
  16. cousteau

    cousteau Guest

    "Edward S. Baiz Jr." <edbaizjr@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3ed847d0c19f84@attbi.com>...

    > which would also run on a ST. Right now, to my knowlege, Sweet 16
    > is the only midi sequencer that is still being supported and
    > updated.


    Well, they support it (which means they answer your questions). But it
    isn´t updated anymore.
    Sweet 16 is a nice piece of software IMHO. Very similiar to Creator.

    --
    thomas
  17. Smeg

    Smeg Guest

    Laurence Payne <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:9cbhdvc7esiq6moocj00p6mobl0qkbt930@4ax.com...

    SNIP

    > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm


    Correction to the above:

    PC Cubase FAQ page.... (which has no relevance to Atari Cubase)

    Smeg.
  18. Brian Roland

    Brian Roland Guest

    > I bought 2 weeks ago a Atari 1040ST with a Unitor.
    > Now, i'm looking a good music program to make work this little thing.
    > I tried Cubase lite but too light. Not enough editing menu.
    > I also tried Notator but too complexe when you don't be the Conceptor
    > of Notator.
    > Does any know a easy to use and advanced stuff for creating Music?


    I write this as an avid user of many sequencers for several different platforms.
    If you have a Unitor and or Export, this sequencer is very hard to beat. It's
    worth the learning curve, which really isn't that bad if you simply sit down and
    tackle it, learning features on a 'need to know' basis. Make a copy of the key
    code pages, look at it when you need it, and you'll have it down second nature
    in no time flat. Most of it makes sense anyway...I.E. hitting the n key takes
    you to the score or 'note' editor.

    For general use Notator isn't much more involved than any other to run. Walk
    through the tutorials and you're quite compently making and editing music within
    an hour or so. Once you begin to grasp the concept of how Notator is laid out,
    it really is snappy and very easy to work with. The addition of a unitor really
    makes it a nice sequencer to work with. Before you know it...you'll find
    yourself free of the cumbersome mouse, driving your sequencer with simple key
    taps as if were an extension of your midi keyboard. Ummm, actually, you can
    even drive it remotely from midi keys, sliders, pedals, etc...if you like. Want
    to be able to change what that pitch wheel does on the fly with one key punch?
    Easy enough, Notator has programmable macros that will let you make numerous
    alterations with a tap of a single key...on the fly!

    For more advanced things, Notator is very hard to beat. The beauty of this
    sequencer is the real time engine built into it. There are a truly amazing set
    of filters, maps, and ramps which allow you to alter your playing in real time,
    wether the sequencer is recording/playing or just sitting idle. The sequencer
    records exactly what you play in to tracks, and this does not change unless you
    'normalize' the track into something permanant. In essence, this adds a ton of
    very useful real time abilities to your midi set up. To some degree, CuBase
    works on the same principle, but it's not nearly as flexable *without delving
    into the art of programming your own CuBase modules*.

    Notator timing is rock solid on the atari and unitor midi ports. The
    resolutions offered are perhaps the highest for any sequencer ever made (this
    baby had SMPTE locking in mind from the get go...so you can lay events down to
    the micro second if needed). It's also damn hard to crash. Over 10 years of
    using it, I can count the lockups or freezes on one hand, and those were never
    duplicated. Wanna do hudge sysex dumps on the fly...perhaps load a bank of
    sounds to one synth mid-gig while you're using sounds on the others? No
    sweat...Notator
    can handle pretty much any dump you have enough memory for...even sample dumps!
    Doodling around and find a groovy riff, but weren't recording at the time? No
    problem, it's still in the real time buffer...normalize it into a new track and
    see what you did! Wishing that programmable slider or wheel on your midi
    keyboard could send out more than one message at the same time (pan and
    modulation for instance)? No sweat for Notator...in fact, you could even trun
    the wheel upside down and alter the resolution to midi output 1, and do
    something entirely different over midi 2 with same wheel/slider.

    What does all this 'real time' talk mean?
    Imagine that you'd like to use 3 midi instruments at once. Using Notator you
    could effectively do the following, and much more.

    MIDI 1/primary controller: Split the keyboard in 3 zones, the first several
    keys reserved as silent for a drum layer, the middle playing a bass, the right a
    piano.

    MIDI 2: Add a doubling bass patch transposed an octave down for a thicker sound,
    and a string pad that corresponds to the keyboard zones described above. Invert
    the keyboard from right to left in the far right zone (so it actually plays
    backwards). Filter the drum zone into silence for this midi instrument.

    MIDI 3: Remap useful drum sounds to a zone of 5 keys anywhere you want them.
    Create a live midi echo to these drum sounds of 7 milliseconds. Add 5 to the
    key velocty *to give this insrument a little more punch*. Filter out after
    touch data since drums don't use it anyway. Change modulation wheel from mod to
    pan for this instrument only.

    All this can be done live, on the fly...wether you're recording or playing back
    track data or not. This is only the surface of things that can be done in live
    or studio situations where you'd like to reroute and/or alter midi data on the
    fly, or in recordings. As you can imagine, this is like being able to do hours
    and hours of synth patch edits in a matter of seconds, all from one place, in
    convienent libraries that can be loaded at will and applied to your sequences or
    live playing as you need them.

    Every sequencer has its unique sweet spot of course. Notator has many!
    I'll admit that at first glance, other sequencers seem more intuative, and of
    course there are certian creative situations where the others are simply more
    fun to use. None the less, I've never met anyone who took the time to learn
    Notator who regretted it :)

    Brian

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