Guitar Center Orlando's Labor Day Event!

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  1. Richard

    Richard Guest

    just@sk.me wrote...
    >
    > "Boom" <mmm@nnn.com> wrote in message
    > > >Learn how to quote like any normal ISP person would. Why is it EVERY
    > > >fucking moron has to use AOL?

    > >
    > > Um, because we're too cheap to use Yahoo or Geocities. Asshole.
    > > Please, I'm begging you...come visit me!

    >
    > There's a long-arse line for that, Jimmy. Stand in line like the rest of
    > us. You can't cut in. Next time I'm in Phoenix I'm looking up Schuh so I
    > can see what he has. He talks more smack than a little bit.


    Man, I'd forgotten how much fun reading Usenet could be.

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  2. "Boom" <mmm@nnn.com> wrote in message
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    > >> >Learn how to quote like any normal ISP person would. Why is it EVERY

    > >fucking
    > >> >moron has to use AOL?
    > >>
    > >> Um, because we're too cheap to use Yahoo or Geocities. Asshole.
    > >> Please, I'm begging you...come visit me!

    > >
    > >There's a long-arse line for that, Jimmy. Stand in line like the rest of
    > >us. You can't cut in. Next time I'm in Phoenix I'm looking up Schuh so

    I
    > >can see what he has. He talks more smack than a little bit.

    >
    > LOL...Hope you videotape it. Who knows? Beating up Robert Schuh
    > might be next year's Star Wars Kid video!


    The Star Wars Kid video would be a lot more interesting, and besides it
    would last longer too.

    > BTW, I hear what you're saying about GC in your last message. I have
    > no experience with them, but Sam Ash does the same thing with the $3
    > cords and $20 boom stands. But I read the part that says "Offer only
    > valid with $300 purchase or more," and I realize, hey, maybe there's
    > less to this offer than meets the eye. And we've been fortunate in
    > Orlando that there's still more qualified people who need jobs than
    > there is jobs so the sales talent pool isn't quite as depleted as NY
    > or LA. Getting there, though ;)


    From your lips...
  3. In rec.music.makers.percussion Boom <mmm@nnn.com> wrote:
    > Man, I haven't seen so much whining since the Fender thread!


    > Some of you don't want to shop at GC, that's fine. I've had nothing
    > but good experiences shopping at the big chain stores like Sam Ash and
    > Mars. A hell of a lot better experiences than shopping at locally
    > owned stores. GC and Ash are in business because their owners were a
    > little bit smarter than everyone else, so don't take it out on them
    > because of it. Though I'm not crazy about them spamming the
    > newsgroups, I welcome this new store and hope that they can do
    > everything that the locally owned stores couldn't do.



    Gosh Boom as usual you are spot on....NOT! When are you going to
    put that beatup pre-CBS passive Fender down and use both hands
    to remove your head from where the sun don't shine? "Owners a
    a bit smarter than everyone else"! Gimme a break! I won't even
    answer this. Just do a Google search on "Stores that Suck"
    for a detailed description of all the "better shopping experiences"
    you've seemed to have missed.

    Benj

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  4. In rec.music.makers.percussion Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:

    > Go fuck yourself. At least have to balls to post your name and your e mail
    > if you going to talk shit. Take your head out of your ass.


    Hey Rob,
    Want some fun? Tell him you play bass and Fenders Suck.
    (He's a "producer" who fires any bass play who plays
    anything, but a pre-CBS Fender) Since I know how you
    feel about bass guitars in general, you two should get
    along famously! (already have a good start...tee hee)
    :)

    Benj

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  5. Boom

    Boom Guest

    >Gosh Boom as usual you are spot on....NOT! When are you going to
    >put that beatup pre-CBS passive Fender down and use both hands
    >to remove your head from where the sun don't shine?


    Better hope I don't. I might use it on you next.

    >"Owners a
    >a bit smarter than everyone else"! Gimme a break! I won't even
    >answer this. Just do a Google search on "Stores that Suck"
    >for a detailed description of all the "better shopping experiences"
    >you've seemed to have missed.


    Hey, just because others have had bad experiences there doesn't mean I
    have. But then again, I guess you're everything to everyone, so how
    dare I argue?
  6. Boom

    Boom Guest

    >Hey Rob,
    >Want some fun? Tell him you play bass and Fenders Suck.
    >(He's a "producer" who fires any bass play who plays
    >anything, but a pre-CBS Fender)


    You're an idiot. I never ever said such a thing. Not only did I not
    say that, but in that very thread you are "referring to," I said
    recorded many tracks using my Guitar Factory basses. So maybe the
    next time you want to put words in my mouth, maybe you should take a
    little bit of time to go through and seek out the truth. Then once
    you have found the truth, go fuck yourself.

    >Since I know how you
    >feel about bass guitars in general, you two should get
    >along famously! (already have a good start...tee hee)
    >:)


    "Tee hee?" Look, it's OK to be a homo if you want, but don't touch my
    ass.
  7. nick amoroso

    nick amoroso Guest

    -mike- wrote:

    >Smart = Ruthless? :) If they get any smarter, they'll end up
    >like Mars.


    one can only hope.



    peace,
    :nick amoroso:
    professional drums and instruction
    proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
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  8. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    See, that's the problem. You shouldn't crosspost. You get drummers
    and bass players in the same room and it hits the fan. :)


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    >>Hey Rob,
    >>Want some fun? Tell him you play bass and Fenders Suck.
    >>(He's a "producer" who fires any bass play who plays
    >>anything, but a pre-CBS Fender)

    >
    > You're an idiot. I never ever said such a thing. Not only did I not
    > say that, but in that very thread you are "referring to," I said
    > recorded many tracks using my Guitar Factory basses. So maybe the
    > next time you want to put words in my mouth, maybe you should take a
    > little bit of time to go through and seek out the truth. Then once
    > you have found the truth, go fuck yourself.
    >
    >>Since I know how you
    >>feel about bass guitars in general, you two should get
    >>along famously! (already have a good start...tee hee)
    >>:)

    >
    > "Tee hee?" Look, it's OK to be a homo if you want, but don't touch my
    > ass.
  9. Jack

    Jack Guest

    There's no better place IMO to be able to check out gear for as long as
    you'd like than a GC or Sam Ash. They don't bother you, and generally ask if
    you need any help. When I was younger, the mom and pop shops had everything
    hanging usually, and if you asked to check out an instrument, you were
    usually watched by the owner standing right there while you played. You
    certainly didn't feel like you had much time with him right there. With GC
    and Sam Ash now, you walk in, and have a run of the place. They have a
    decent stock of gear, and if you find something you like, you have the
    choice of purchasing it anywhere you'd like. The 45 day return policy is
    quite nice too. I wonder if mom and pop shops let you roam free and handle
    everything for as long as you'd like these days, I haven't tried in many
    years.
    Just feel more comfortable at the bigger stores.

    Jack
  10. drumdude

    drumdude Guest

    Jack
    speaking from experience here , the " mom and pop " stores usally can not
    afford if someone young comes in and rips down a 2000.00 les paul and starts
    wanking on it ..... i have had kids drop custom shop strats thats cost over
    2000.00 and just shrug it off ....the big chain stores just blow it off if
    something gets damaged while the smaller retailers feel the hit , i had 2
    custom shop fenders , a strat hanging directly over a custom shop tele, a
    13nyear old kid came in , removed the card from the guitar that simply said
    " please ask for help to play this guitar "
    had trouble getting the guitar down and dropped it right into the custom
    shop tele , bottom line ? over 1200.00 in custom paint work needed to be
    done to make both of these guitars right !!!!! thats why small shop owners
    stand over you when you come into there stores , i have at leist 1 damaged
    guitar every 2 weeks just from someone who drops a guitar , or bangs an
    acoustic off another ect ....and there is nothing i can do about it ,you
    have to let people look and play your gear or you will never sell it ....
    bottom line
    "Jack" <Tarkus7no@spamoptonline.net> wrote in message
    news:pxB4b.77245$yg.24992680@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    > There's no better place IMO to be able to check out gear for as long as
    > you'd like than a GC or Sam Ash. They don't bother you, and generally ask

    if
    > you need any help. When I was younger, the mom and pop shops had

    everything
    > hanging usually, and if you asked to check out an instrument, you were
    > usually watched by the owner standing right there while you played. You
    > certainly didn't feel like you had much time with him right there. With GC
    > and Sam Ash now, you walk in, and have a run of the place. They have a
    > decent stock of gear, and if you find something you like, you have the
    > choice of purchasing it anywhere you'd like. The 45 day return policy is
    > quite nice too. I wonder if mom and pop shops let you roam free and handle
    > everything for as long as you'd like these days, I haven't tried in many
    > years.
    > Just feel more comfortable at the bigger stores.
    >
    > Jack
    >
    >
  11. Boom

    Boom Guest

    >i had 2
    >custom shop fenders , a strat hanging directly over a custom shop tele, a
    >13nyear old kid came in , removed the card from the guitar that simply said
    >" please ask for help to play this guitar "
    >had trouble getting the guitar down and dropped it right into the custom
    >shop tele , bottom line ? over 1200.00 in custom paint work needed to be
    >done to make both of these guitars right !!!!!


    That's a very ugly story, and I can see why you would be angry over
    that. However, is there any reason you hang those guitars in that
    fashion? Do you not have room behind the counter for really expensive
    guitars? The onus is on you to protect your inventory. I know things
    like that are bound to happen sometimes, but displaying your inventory
    safely is your responsibility as a dealer. Kids will be kids.

    >thats why small shop owners
    >stand over you when you come into there stores , i have at leist 1 damaged
    >guitar every 2 weeks just from someone who drops a guitar , or bangs an
    >acoustic off another ect ....and there is nothing i can do about it ,you
    >have to let people look and play your gear or you will never sell it ....
    >bottom line


    Absolutely, that's true. However, the way stores have them displayed
    often contributes to the dings they collect. I've stores hang the
    guitars so close together that you can't help but bang one into
    another, and I've seen guitars hung to where they're not quite out of
    reach but high enough to cause people great difficulty getting them
    out of the racks. I feel for you, but if it happens a lot, you have
    to start wondering whether it's their fault or yours.
  12. Boom

    Boom Guest

    >Robert Schuh
    >"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    >intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    >the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    >the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    >- Nietzsche


    On the other hand, intimidating the neighbor doesn't necessarily mean
    you're destined for greatness. Sometimes you're just a useless
    fucking asshole. Like you, for example.
  13. drumdude

    drumdude Guest

    they were really " out of reach " with a card that said please ask for help
    , he stood on a stool to get to the guitar and dropped it into another one
    ..(he told me this afterwards) no respect for one persons equipment IMHO and
    he was old enough to know , the parents were in the store and just let him
    romp .... they have no control over him i guess either ... while our
    expensive guitars are persay " out of reach " in most cases , theres always
    a 1 person who takes it upon themselves to overcome the hurdle and get that
    instrument , i agree with the acoustic problem , we do have less expensive
    acoustics stored closer together and for that reason amoung others we are
    moving to a larger location in 2 weeks ....
    "Boom" <mmm@nnn.com> wrote in message
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    > >i had 2
    > >custom shop fenders , a strat hanging directly over a custom shop tele, a
    > >13nyear old kid came in , removed the card from the guitar that simply

    said
    > >" please ask for help to play this guitar "
    > >had trouble getting the guitar down and dropped it right into the custom
    > >shop tele , bottom line ? over 1200.00 in custom paint work needed to be
    > >done to make both of these guitars right !!!!!

    >
    > That's a very ugly story, and I can see why you would be angry over
    > that. However, is there any reason you hang those guitars in that
    > fashion? Do you not have room behind the counter for really expensive
    > guitars? The onus is on you to protect your inventory. I know things
    > like that are bound to happen sometimes, but displaying your inventory
    > safely is your responsibility as a dealer. Kids will be kids.
    >
    > >thats why small shop owners
    > >stand over you when you come into there stores , i have at leist 1

    damaged
    > >guitar every 2 weeks just from someone who drops a guitar , or bangs an
    > >acoustic off another ect ....and there is nothing i can do about it ,you
    > >have to let people look and play your gear or you will never sell it ....
    > >bottom line

    >
    > Absolutely, that's true. However, the way stores have them displayed
    > often contributes to the dings they collect. I've stores hang the
    > guitars so close together that you can't help but bang one into
    > another, and I've seen guitars hung to where they're not quite out of
    > reach but high enough to cause people great difficulty getting them
    > out of the racks. I feel for you, but if it happens a lot, you have
    > to start wondering whether it's their fault or yours.
  14. Boom

    Boom Guest

    >they were really " out of reach " with a card that said please ask for help
    >, he stood on a stool to get to the guitar and dropped it into another one
    >.(he told me this afterwards) no respect for one persons equipment IMHO and
    >he was old enough to know , the parents were in the store and just let him
    >romp .... they have no control over him i guess either ...


    Then you pay some bruiser kid $20 to beat the crap out of him. But
    seriously, that definitely sounds like reasonable protection in
    displaying them. Too bad the parents couldn't do the right thing.
    I'd like to see my kids pull a stunt like that. Of course, I taught
    my kids respect for other people's stuff already so hopefully I
    wouldn't have that problem.

    >while our
    >expensive guitars are persay " out of reach " in most cases , theres always
    >a 1 person who takes it upon themselves to overcome the hurdle and get that
    >instrument , i agree with the acoustic problem , we do have less expensive
    >acoustics stored closer together and for that reason amoung others we are
    >moving to a larger location in 2 weeks ....


    Congratulations. Hope it works out for you.
  15. In rec.music.makers.percussion Jack <Tarkus7no@spamoptonline.net> wrote:
    > There's no better place IMO to be able to check out gear for as long as
    > you'd like than a GC or Sam Ash. They don't bother you, and generally ask if
    > you need any help. When I was younger, the mom and pop shops had everything
    > hanging usually, and if you asked to check out an instrument, you were
    > usually watched by the owner standing right there while you played.


    > With GC they have a decent stock of gear, and if you find something you
    > like, you have the choice of purchasing it anywhere you'd like. The 45
    > day return policy is quite nice too.
    > Just feel more comfortable at the bigger stores.


    I think you've hit one nail on the head here. SA/GC are geared to
    high volume entry level players. There is a large stock of
    instruments, but very few are that the high end. Great for high
    schoolers to drool, but I go in there and "yawn" just look at
    rows and rows of stuff I've outgrown long ago. Hey, if I want
    to check out high end basses I go to German Village Music Haus
    (where I bought my Alembic) or high end drum stuff I go to
    Columbus Pro Percussion (where I bought my drumframe). SA/GC
    go for teen volume and that per se isn't bad, but I find less
    and less there to make me drool.

    And even though I've been one of the major whiners about
    policy (or lack thereof) at these places, fact is I buy
    tons of crap at both of them. Because they are high volume,
    they can let demos and slightly damaged things go for a song.
    So when those teens drop that relatively expensive instrument
    I'm there waiting to scarf it up for pennies. And futhermore,
    they cover a wide range of instruments for sale. Point is they
    may be a newbie shop, but we are all newbies on things we don't
    play yet! Hence they are very useful from that viewpoint as
    well.

    It would be nice if they had some reasonable management
    and my whining and complaining here was never meant to
    drive anybody away and make them lose business, but rather
    to be a wake-up call to those folks trying (sort of) to run
    these places.

    Personally I get lots of stuff at SA/GC and love them for
    what they are. But if you get the idea that an advanced
    player is going to go in there and have his/her needs
    well met, you'd better forget that.

    Benj

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  16. Richard

    Richard Guest

    bjacoby@users.iwaynet.net wrote...

    > Personally I get lots of stuff at SA/GC and love them for
    > what they are. But if you get the idea that an advanced
    > player is going to go in there and have his/her needs
    > well met, you'd better forget that.


    One of the last times John Scofield was in town (NYC), he went into
    the Sam Ash on 48th Street to get a new Digitech Whammy thing. He
    couldn't get anyone in SA to give him to time of day, so he walked
    across the street to one of the smaller shops (48th Street Custom
    Guitars) and bought one.

    There are some advanced players who don't live in musical
    metropolises like NYC who probably do alright at the local SA/GC.
    "Big fish, small pond" syndrome.

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  17. Boom

    Boom Guest

    >I think you've hit one nail on the head here. SA/GC are geared to
    >high volume entry level players. There is a large stock of
    >instruments, but very few are that the high end. Great for high
    >schoolers to drool, but I go in there and "yawn" just look at
    >rows and rows of stuff I've outgrown long ago.


    Ya, because I'm sure you're so scary good that a Fender or MusicMan or
    Warwick is way beneath you, even though many many top players in the
    world seem to adjust just fine to them.

    >Personally I get lots of stuff at SA/GC and love them for
    >what they are. But if you get the idea that an advanced
    >player is going to go in there and have his/her needs
    >well met, you'd better forget that.


    This may shock and surprise a scary advanced player like you, but
    there's tons of players that blow away almost everybody that are
    perfectly happy to be playing gear the quality of what CG and Sam Ash
    sell. For a guy who loves to point out other people talking out of
    their asses (and if they're not talking out of their asses, you just
    make it up), you sure do talk out of your ass a lot.

    BTW, I probably would have never replied to this had you not been a
    complete fucking dickhead yesterday and put words in my mouth. And
    now I would like to cordially invite you to go fuck yourself.
  18. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    > Personally I get lots of stuff at SA/GC and love them for
    > what they are. But if you get the idea that an advanced
    > player is going to go in there and have his/her needs
    > well met, you'd better forget that.
    >
    > Benj




    I was waiting for a shipment heads straight from Evans and they
    didn't show. I had a session the next day and Forks was closing
    before I could get there. So, I called Sam Ash to see what they had
    in stock. We're talking drum heads, here. Something of which they
    should have dozens of sets. Not a single full set of heads in any
    line. Then I get the old, "we can order...." :)

    I don't know what it's like for bass/guitar department, but this is
    not a music store that cares about the advanced players. It would
    be like them not having enough strings for your bass, or telling you
    to just mix and match brands/types.


    -MIKE-

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  19. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    I feel for you, Mark. I was friends with the owner of the local
    mom-n-pop, where I used to live. One day I tuned up one of the
    out-of-the-box drum kits he had sitting on the floor for months.
    The thing sold a few days later. Next thing I know, he asks me to
    come in and tune them all. He said he's give me cost+shipping on
    anything I ever bought, if I would just come in an tune the drums,
    now and then. I told him I would just teach his drum guy, but he
    was quitting, soon.

    He didn't have jack squat in stock, and even less in high end gear,
    so it didn't do much for me, drum-wise, save one lucky-find Zildjian
    A Custom Ride that was perfect for me. I *did* get a ton of audio
    gear with that discount, though. :)

    It's tough for the little guy to compete when he can't stock dozens
    of kits. It's even tougher when the big chains get better dealer
    cost, and sell cheapo kits at a loss to get bodies in the door, for
    cheaper than the mom-n-pop stores pay for them.


    -MIKE-

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    > Jack
    > speaking from experience here , the " mom and pop " stores usally can not
    > afford if someone young comes in and rips down a 2000.00 les paul and
    > starts wanking on it ..... i have had kids drop custom shop strats thats
    > cost over 2000.00 and just shrug it off ....the big chain stores just blow
    > it off if something gets damaged while the smaller retailers feel the hit
    > , i had 2 custom shop fenders , a strat hanging directly over a custom
    > shop tele, a 13nyear old kid came in , removed the card from the guitar
    > that simply said " please ask for help to play this guitar " had trouble
    > getting the guitar down and dropped it right into the custom shop tele ,
    > bottom line ? over 1200.00 in custom paint work needed to be done to make
    > both of these guitars right !!!!! thats why small shop owners stand over
    > you when you come into there stores , i have at leist 1 damaged guitar
    > every 2 weeks just from someone who drops a guitar , or bangs an acoustic
    > off another ect ....and there is nothing i can do about it ,you have to
    > let people look and play your gear or you will never sell it .... bottom
    > line
  20. drumdude

    drumdude Guest

    I do not consider myself a mom and pop store , we carry over 350 guitars in
    stock , dealers for most major brand guitars , offer service on everything
    we sell , are an authorized fender repair facility , carry 7 professional
    drum lines , in the top 5 in gretsch (usa)in the country , have over 300
    cymbals in stock ....and usally can match or beat any catalog price ....
    with just 2 locations
    so while we are not the " chain store " we are somewhere in the middle of
    line somewhere i guess
    but we feel the muscle from SA/GC all the time : )
    "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
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    > > Personally I get lots of stuff at SA/GC and love them for
    > > what they are. But if you get the idea that an advanced
    > > player is going to go in there and have his/her needs
    > > well met, you'd better forget that.
    > >
    > > Benj

    >
    >
    >
    > I was waiting for a shipment heads straight from Evans and they
    > didn't show. I had a session the next day and Forks was closing
    > before I could get there. So, I called Sam Ash to see what they had
    > in stock. We're talking drum heads, here. Something of which they
    > should have dozens of sets. Not a single full set of heads in any
    > line. Then I get the old, "we can order...." :)
    >
    > I don't know what it's like for bass/guitar department, but this is
    > not a music store that cares about the advanced players. It would
    > be like them not having enough strings for your bass, or telling you
    > to just mix and match brands/types.
    >
    >
    > -MIKE-
    >
    > --
    > http://mikedrums.com
    > mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
    > ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
    >

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