Heartbreaking project setback...

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by Joey Furr, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done with
    it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.

    Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like I
    wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with! It's
    so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the edges
    are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.

    It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures, because
    my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg

    Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg

    The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...

    By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow passes.
    The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament to
    how much I must suck at covering.

    Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just re-wrap
    the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has any
    good technique for hiding a seam?

    --

    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
  2. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    By the way, this wrap job so far represents about two months work down the
    $h1thole.
    Sorry, I'm just frustrated right now.

    --

    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    with
    > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    >
    > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like I
    > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with!

    It's
    > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    edges
    > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    >
    > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures, because
    > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    >
    > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    >
    > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    >
    > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow passes.
    > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament to
    > how much I must suck at covering.
    >
    > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    re-wrap
    > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    any
    > good technique for hiding a seam?
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    >
    >
  3. Sean Conolly

    Sean Conolly Guest

    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    re-wrap
    > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    any
    > good technique for hiding a seam?


    I don't know crap about re-wrapping drums, but I'd try a dark red magic
    marker down the seam. It won't match but it won't catch the eye like a white
    seam does. It's worth a try before pulling the wrap, anyway.

    Sean
  4. joem

    joem Guest

    Joey Furr wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just re-wrap
    > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has any
    > good technique for hiding a seam?


    maybe your photos don't accurately represent how poor (you think) your
    wrap job is....but they don't look that bad to me. my Spaun kit was done
    with glass glitter wrap and they didn't butt-joint it; it's overlapped.
    it doesn't look any worse than any other wrapped finish, IMHO. you just
    have to use some care to situate the wraps so that only the player can
    see them (as with any wrapped kit).

    --
    Joe.

    "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    chance." - storm&stress
  5. Hairy Pants

    Hairy Pants Guest

    Can you grind up something that matches the color, mix it with glue (or
    fibreglass resin) and fill in the gap?

    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    with
    > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    >
    > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like I
    > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with!

    It's
    > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    edges
    > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    >
    > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures, because
    > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    >
    > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    >
    > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    >
    > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow passes.
    > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament to
    > how much I must suck at covering.
    >
    > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    re-wrap
    > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    any
    > good technique for hiding a seam?
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    >
    >
  6. Yea, Joey, I overlapped my glass glitter snare, too. You're supposed to
    overlap it. It's a much better seam anyway; a butt joint just gives the wrap
    a choice on which side to start peeling up first; or even both. You're
    supposed to just overlap and bevel. The Keller shells are undersized enough
    that it won't affect the head.

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "joem" <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote in message
    news:slrnbkqtcv.9d9.jmelnyk@localhost.localdomain...
    > Joey Furr wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    re-wrap
    > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    any
    > > good technique for hiding a seam?

    >
    > maybe your photos don't accurately represent how poor (you think) your
    > wrap job is....but they don't look that bad to me. my Spaun kit was done
    > with glass glitter wrap and they didn't butt-joint it; it's overlapped.
    > it doesn't look any worse than any other wrapped finish, IMHO. you just
    > have to use some care to situate the wraps so that only the player can
    > see them (as with any wrapped kit).
    >
    > --
    > Joe.
    >
    > "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    > chance." - storm&stress
  7. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Joey Furr wrote:

    > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done with
    > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    >
    > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like I
    > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with! It's
    > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the edges
    > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    >
    > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures, because
    > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    >
    > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    >
    > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    >
    > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow passes.
    > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament to
    > how much I must suck at covering.
    >
    > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just re-wrap
    > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has any
    > good technique for hiding a seam?
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper


    Joey,
    What shells are you using that you can't over lap the glass glitter? Why take
    the wrap to the edge anyway? I have used the glass glitter with an overlapped
    seam even on 60s Gretsch. I just keep about a .5" gap down from the edge.
    Gretsch sends their drums from the factory like this along with many other
    companies. I just looked at the photos. I am guessing they are Keller shells
    from seeing the Adonis lugs. You should be able to over lap the seam and run the
    wrap to the edge with no problem with new Keller shells. As far as the bass drum
    goes, the seam is on the bottom, so no one can see it anyway. BTW, if you are
    going to try it again any time soon, you should try the tape method. I use the
    tape on the seams even when I glue the wrap. I find that the tape holds more
    consistently and evenly on the seam than glue.


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  8. Funkyboy

    Funkyboy Guest

    I'm not too much into wrapping kits, but what I've seen looks very nice to
    me apart from that seam on the FT .....

    It's not taht bad

    -=Funkyboy=-

    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
    news:eMWdnRo69uuU79CiXTWJkQ@comcast.com...
    > By the way, this wrap job so far represents about two months work down the
    > $h1thole.
    > Sorry, I'm just frustrated right now.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    >
    > "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    > with
    > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > >
    > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like

    I
    > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with!

    > It's
    > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    > edges
    > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > >
    > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    because
    > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > >
    > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > >
    > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > >
    > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    passes.
    > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament

    to
    > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > >
    > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > re-wrap
    > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    > any
    > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ...Joey
    > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  9. Donn

    Donn Guest

    You could always run a row of pop rivets down the seam and tell everyone
    they're vintage Ludwig's.

    :)


    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    with
    > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    >
    > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like I
    > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with!

    It's
    > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    edges
    > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    >
    > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures, because
    > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    >
    > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    >
    > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    >
    > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow passes.
    > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament to
    > how much I must suck at covering.
    >
    > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    re-wrap
    > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    any
    > good technique for hiding a seam?
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    >
    >
  10. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    I wouldn't have suspected that you overlap GG. I mean, the stuff is like
    1/16" thick.
    I'll have to research the bevel you're talking about, I have not heard of
    that.

    --

    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:Sbg3b.26195$nf3.5411@fed1read07...
    > Yea, Joey, I overlapped my glass glitter snare, too. You're supposed to
    > overlap it. It's a much better seam anyway; a butt joint just gives the

    wrap
    > a choice on which side to start peeling up first; or even both. You're
    > supposed to just overlap and bevel. The Keller shells are undersized

    enough
    > that it won't affect the head.
    >
    > --
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    >
    >
    > "joem" <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote in message
    > news:slrnbkqtcv.9d9.jmelnyk@localhost.localdomain...
    > > Joey Furr wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > re-wrap
    > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    has
    > any
    > > > good technique for hiding a seam?

    > >
    > > maybe your photos don't accurately represent how poor (you think) your
    > > wrap job is....but they don't look that bad to me. my Spaun kit was done
    > > with glass glitter wrap and they didn't butt-joint it; it's overlapped.
    > > it doesn't look any worse than any other wrapped finish, IMHO. you just
    > > have to use some care to situate the wraps so that only the player can
    > > see them (as with any wrapped kit).
    > >
    > > --
    > > Joe.
    > >
    > > "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    > > chance." - storm&stress

    >
    >
  11. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    Rob,
    It's not a matter of the edge or worrying about diameter vs. head size....I
    just didn't expect that you would overlap GG, since it's like twice as thick
    as other wrap....and the edges are white instead of the color going all the
    way through.

    Thinking more rationally this morning...I think this is the plan:

    The snare is done, the seam is a perfect butt-joint that is hidden behind
    the throw-off. (sigh)
    The rack tom is done, with another perfect seam hidden behind the iso mount.
    (sigh)
    I think that instead of wasting *all* of the wrap, I will get some more TGG
    and re-wrap the ft and bass using an overlap like you all have suggested.

    And Rob, you're right...I have taken the wrap to within about 1/8" off the
    edges and the heads fit just as they are supposed to. I was worried about
    lug spacing, but the Adonis lugs self-adjust to the diameter.

    Thanks to the RMMP drum wrapping support group. I'll post pics of the
    finished kit. (Unless someone wants pics of the wrapping process I'm using)
    --
    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F4D98E1.592A37F0@robschuh.com...
    > Joey Furr wrote:
    >
    > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    with
    > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > >
    > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like

    I
    > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with!

    It's
    > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    edges
    > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > >
    > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    because
    > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > >
    > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > >
    > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > >
    > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    passes.
    > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament

    to
    > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > >
    > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    re-wrap
    > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    any
    > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ...Joey
    > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    >
    > Joey,
    > What shells are you using that you can't over lap the glass glitter? Why

    take
    > the wrap to the edge anyway? I have used the glass glitter with an

    overlapped
    > seam even on 60s Gretsch. I just keep about a .5" gap down from the edge.
    > Gretsch sends their drums from the factory like this along with many other
    > companies. I just looked at the photos. I am guessing they are Keller

    shells
    > from seeing the Adonis lugs. You should be able to over lap the seam and

    run the
    > wrap to the edge with no problem with new Keller shells. As far as the

    bass drum
    > goes, the seam is on the bottom, so no one can see it anyway. BTW, if you

    are
    > going to try it again any time soon, you should try the tape method. I use

    the
    > tape on the seams even when I glue the wrap. I find that the tape holds

    more
    > consistently and evenly on the seam than glue.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >
    >
  12. Tony Kujawa

    Tony Kujawa Guest

    I really dig that tangerine glass glitter the more I see it. LEAVE IT ON!
    You'll figure something out.

    Tony


    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    with
    > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    >
    > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like I
    > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with!

    It's
    > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    edges
    > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    >
    > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures, because
    > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    >
    > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    >
    > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    >
    > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow passes.
    > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament to
    > how much I must suck at covering.
    >
    > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    re-wrap
    > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    any
    > good technique for hiding a seam?
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    >
    >
  13. jmt

    jmt Guest

    Dear Furry;
    I really like the color...Hell, I wouldn't worry about it.

    Loosely-wrapped but seamy since 1967;
    jmt

    Joey Furr wrote:
    > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done with
    > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    >
    > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like I
    > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with! It's
    > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the edges
    > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    >
    > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures, because
    > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    >
    > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    >
    > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    >
    > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow passes.
    > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament to
    > how much I must suck at covering.
    >
    > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just re-wrap
    > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has any
    > good technique for hiding a seam?
    >
  14. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    JMT,
    With the support from here, I have decided to re-wrap the drums that came
    out un-seamly. :) I like the TGG too, so I'll give it another shot.

    Strange stuff...the glass is actually silver underneath...only the glossy
    plastic top covering is Tangerine. Not having always been interested in
    vintage gear I did not know that.

    --

    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    "jmt" <jmt@shawneelink.net> wrote in message
    news:bikuea$adcjf$1@ID-46790.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > Dear Furry;
    > I really like the color...Hell, I wouldn't worry about it.
    >
    > Loosely-wrapped but seamy since 1967;
    > jmt
    >
    > Joey Furr wrote:
    > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    with
    > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > >
    > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like

    I
    > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with!

    It's
    > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    edges
    > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > >
    > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    because
    > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > >
    > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > >
    > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > >
    > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    passes.
    > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament

    to
    > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > >
    > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    re-wrap
    > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    any
    > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > >

    >
  15. BlueM0ZARK

    BlueM0ZARK Guest

    < Loosely-wrapped but seamy since 1967>

    yes, the brown acid at woodstock, but that was '69.... :-]
  16. You are supposed to overlap all wraps.

    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
    http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    http://www.Drumguru.com
    330 670 0800
    toll free 866 970 0800

    "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:H5qcnYuHLLEmb9CiXTWJjg@comcast.com...
    > I wouldn't have suspected that you overlap GG. I mean, the stuff is like
    > 1/16" thick.
    > I'll have to research the bevel you're talking about, I have not heard of
    > that.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    >
    > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:Sbg3b.26195$nf3.5411@fed1read07...
    > > Yea, Joey, I overlapped my glass glitter snare, too. You're supposed to
    > > overlap it. It's a much better seam anyway; a butt joint just gives the

    > wrap
    > > a choice on which side to start peeling up first; or even both. You're
    > > supposed to just overlap and bevel. The Keller shells are undersized

    > enough
    > > that it won't affect the head.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > --
    > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > >
    > >
    > > "joem" <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote in message
    > > news:slrnbkqtcv.9d9.jmelnyk@localhost.localdomain...
    > > > Joey Furr wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > > re-wrap
    > > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    > has
    > > any
    > > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > >
    > > > maybe your photos don't accurately represent how poor (you think) your
    > > > wrap job is....but they don't look that bad to me. my Spaun kit was

    done
    > > > with glass glitter wrap and they didn't butt-joint it; it's

    overlapped.
    > > > it doesn't look any worse than any other wrapped finish, IMHO. you

    just
    > > > have to use some care to situate the wraps so that only the player can
    > > > see them (as with any wrapped kit).
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Joe.
    > > >
    > > > "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    > > > chance." - storm&stress

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  17. Loggerheads once again with Schuh on the amateur tape method. Joey, if you
    use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or lift.
    I'm fixing taped wrap jobs at the rate of two sets a month.

    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
    http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    http://www.Drumguru.com
    330 670 0800
    toll free 866 970 0800

    "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F4D98E1.592A37F0@robschuh.com...
    > Joey Furr wrote:
    >
    > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    with
    > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > >
    > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like

    I
    > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with!

    It's
    > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    edges
    > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > >
    > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    because
    > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > >
    > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > >
    > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > >
    > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    passes.
    > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament

    to
    > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > >
    > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    re-wrap
    > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    any
    > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ...Joey
    > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    >
    > Joey,
    > What shells are you using that you can't over lap the glass glitter? Why

    take
    > the wrap to the edge anyway? I have used the glass glitter with an

    overlapped
    > seam even on 60s Gretsch. I just keep about a .5" gap down from the edge.
    > Gretsch sends their drums from the factory like this along with many other
    > companies. I just looked at the photos. I am guessing they are Keller

    shells
    > from seeing the Adonis lugs. You should be able to over lap the seam and

    run the
    > wrap to the edge with no problem with new Keller shells. As far as the

    bass drum
    > goes, the seam is on the bottom, so no one can see it anyway. BTW, if you

    are
    > going to try it again any time soon, you should try the tape method. I use

    the
    > tape on the seams even when I glue the wrap. I find that the tape holds

    more
    > consistently and evenly on the seam than glue.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >
    >
  18. Russ Benoit

    Russ Benoit Guest

    Glad to hear you're giving it another go. That wrap looks SWEET. If it were
    me, I'd try one of the other suggestions IE red marker or something just to
    see if you can hide the wrap line somewhat rather than have to shell out
    more $$$. I think if you can hide that slight imperfection with positioning,
    no one will notice save for you.

    -Russ

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    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:8KWcnbZnJukAmdOiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > JMT,
    > With the support from here, I have decided to re-wrap the drums that came
    > out un-seamly. :) I like the TGG too, so I'll give it another shot.
    >
    > Strange stuff...the glass is actually silver underneath...only the

    glossy
    > plastic top covering is Tangerine. Not having always been interested in
    > vintage gear I did not know that.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    >
    > "jmt" <jmt@shawneelink.net> wrote in message
    > news:bikuea$adcjf$1@ID-46790.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > > Dear Furry;
    > > I really like the color...Hell, I wouldn't worry about it.
    > >
    > > Loosely-wrapped but seamy since 1967;
    > > jmt
    > >
    > > Joey Furr wrote:
    > > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was

    done
    > with
    > > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine

    Glass
    > > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > > >
    > > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out

    like
    > I
    > > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work

    with!
    > It's
    > > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting

    the
    > > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    > edges
    > > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste

    of
    > > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what

    my
    > > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > > >
    > > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    > because
    > > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > > >
    > > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > > >
    > > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > > >
    > > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping

    a
    > > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    > passes.
    > > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a

    testament
    > to
    > > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > > >
    > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > re-wrap
    > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    has
    > any
    > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > >

    > >

    >
    >
  19. "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    with
    > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.



    Did you overlap and double cut the seams?

    PP
  20. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    I appreciate Rob's suggestion, but I will contact cement when I re-wrap like
    I did the first time.

    I subscribe to the theory is that with contact cement you get a much tighter
    bond to help the covering become a resonating 'outer ply'.

    --

    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    news:Nsp3b.16266$Ih1.5721931@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > Loggerheads once again with Schuh on the amateur tape method. Joey, if you
    > use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or lift.
    > I'm fixing taped wrap jobs at the rate of two sets a month.
    >
    > --
    > George Lawrence
    > George's Drum Shop
    > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > 330 670 0800
    > toll free 866 970 0800
    >
    > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > buy each of his children a drum."
    > -Chinese proverb
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > news:3F4D98E1.592A37F0@robschuh.com...
    > > Joey Furr wrote:
    > >
    > > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was

    done
    > with
    > > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine

    Glass
    > > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > > >
    > > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out

    like
    > I
    > > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work

    with!
    > It's
    > > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting

    the
    > > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    > edges
    > > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste

    of
    > > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what

    my
    > > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > > >
    > > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    > because
    > > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > > >
    > > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > > >
    > > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > > >
    > > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping

    a
    > > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    > passes.
    > > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a

    testament
    > to
    > > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > > >
    > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > re-wrap
    > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    has
    > any
    > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ...Joey
    > > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    > >
    > > Joey,
    > > What shells are you using that you can't over lap the glass glitter? Why

    > take
    > > the wrap to the edge anyway? I have used the glass glitter with an

    > overlapped
    > > seam even on 60s Gretsch. I just keep about a .5" gap down from the

    edge.
    > > Gretsch sends their drums from the factory like this along with many

    other
    > > companies. I just looked at the photos. I am guessing they are Keller

    > shells
    > > from seeing the Adonis lugs. You should be able to over lap the seam and

    > run the
    > > wrap to the edge with no problem with new Keller shells. As far as the

    > bass drum
    > > goes, the seam is on the bottom, so no one can see it anyway. BTW, if

    you
    > are
    > > going to try it again any time soon, you should try the tape method. I

    use
    > the
    > > tape on the seams even when I glue the wrap. I find that the tape holds

    > more
    > > consistently and evenly on the seam than glue.
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Robert Schuh
    > > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > > - Nietzsche
    > >
    > > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    > >
    > >

    >
    >

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