Heartbreaking project setback...

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by Joey Furr, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    Uh....double-cut?

    --

    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    "Pete Pemberton" <bfpemberton@fuse.net> wrote in message
    news:3f4e26fd$0$43883$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
    >
    > "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    > with
    > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.

    >
    >
    > Did you overlap and double cut the seams?
    >
    > PP
    >
    >
  2. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    Thanks!

    Pictures really don't do it justice. Kinda like a really good diamond will
    look DEEP in person, but like glass in a picture.

    Yeah, I'll try again with some of the great suggestions I've gotten.

    --

    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    "Russ Benoit" <russ@NOSPAMgodscousinphil.com> wrote in message
    news:89eac9c31e8d16cd255361486843c7a0@news.teranews.com...
    > Glad to hear you're giving it another go. That wrap looks SWEET. If it

    were
    > me, I'd try one of the other suggestions IE red marker or something just

    to
    > see if you can hide the wrap line somewhat rather than have to shell out
    > more $$$. I think if you can hide that slight imperfection with

    positioning,
    > no one will notice save for you.
    >
    > -Russ
    >
    > -----------------------------------------------------------------
    > Visit the All-New Lexington Music website
    > http://home.comcast.net/~lexingtonmusic
    >
    > I turned my back and everything changed...
    > -----------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:8KWcnbZnJukAmdOiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > > JMT,
    > > With the support from here, I have decided to re-wrap the drums that

    came
    > > out un-seamly. :) I like the TGG too, so I'll give it another shot.
    > >
    > > Strange stuff...the glass is actually silver underneath...only the

    > glossy
    > > plastic top covering is Tangerine. Not having always been interested in
    > > vintage gear I did not know that.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ...Joey
    > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > >
    > > "jmt" <jmt@shawneelink.net> wrote in message
    > > news:bikuea$adcjf$1@ID-46790.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > > > Dear Furry;
    > > > I really like the color...Hell, I wouldn't worry about it.
    > > >
    > > > Loosely-wrapped but seamy since 1967;
    > > > jmt
    > > >
    > > > Joey Furr wrote:
    > > > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was

    > done
    > > with
    > > > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine

    > Glass
    > > > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > > > >
    > > > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out

    > like
    > > I
    > > > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work

    > with!
    > > It's
    > > > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting

    > the
    > > > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that

    the
    > > edges
    > > > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste

    > of
    > > > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is

    what
    > my
    > > > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > > > >
    > > > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    > > because
    > > > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > > > >
    > > > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > > > >
    > > > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > > > >
    > > > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times,

    clamping
    > a
    > > > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    > > passes.
    > > > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a

    > testament
    > > to
    > > > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > > > >
    > > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > > re-wrap
    > > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    > has
    > > any
    > > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  3. joem

    joem Guest

    Russ Benoit wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > I think if you can hide that slight imperfection with positioning,
    > no one will notice save for you.


    my thoughts exactly. mine show the white seam as well; but I just
    position it so that the white part faces backwards (towards me when
    playing) and all is well.

    --
    Joe.

    "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    chance." - storm&stress
  4. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    > Uh....double-cut?
    >


    Overlap, then cut through both layers at the same time. Lift top
    layer, pull out bottom layer scrap, lay down top layer.


    -MIKE-

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    mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
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  5. John P.

    John P. Guest

    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:LbWcneQp0pnuadCiXTWJig@comcast.com...

    > I think that instead of wasting *all* of the wrap, I will get some more

    TGG
    > and re-wrap the ft and bass using an overlap like you all have suggested.


    I don't know if this would look horrible or not, but, before you trash the
    wrap that's on there, might you be able to cut a small strip, bevel the
    edges and glue it over the seam?
  6. Dan Radin

    Dan Radin Guest

    "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    news:Nsp3b.16266$Ih1.5721931@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > Loggerheads once again with Schuh on the amateur tape method. Joey, if you
    > use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or lift.
    > I'm fixing taped wrap jobs at the rate of two sets a month.


    The tape method works REALLY well on marching bass drum. ;-)
  7. nick amoroso

    nick amoroso Guest

    >
    >
    >Dear Furry;
    > I really like the color...Hell, I wouldn't worry about it.
    >
    > Loosely-wrapped but seamy since 1967;
    > jmt


    i agree, joey. i've seen worse wrap jobs than that. many from d.w. and their
    "finish ply."

    peace,
    :nick amoroso:
    professional drums and instruction
    proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
    -----
    "punching stuff rules" ~ dan radin
    "click click bloody click pancakes!" ~ stewie
  8. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    Oh. That was my first thought, but the GG is so hard to cut (being glass)
    that I couldn't see how I could do it without making a deep cut in the shell
    as well. Cutting it is like trying to use a utility knife on concrete. You
    have to bear down and make multiple passes...then *boom* you're through the
    wrap and cutting the table.

    --

    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
    news:rRudnTNst45p39OiXTWJiA@comcast.com...
    > > Uh....double-cut?
    > >

    >
    > Overlap, then cut through both layers at the same time. Lift top
    > layer, pull out bottom layer scrap, lay down top layer.
    >
    >
    > -MIKE-
    >
    > --
    > http://mikedrums.com
    > mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
    > ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
    >
    >
  9. -MIKE-

    -MIKE- Guest

    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > Oh. That was my first thought, but the GG is so hard to cut (being glass)
    > that I couldn't see how I could do it without making a deep cut in the
    > shell as well. Cutting it is like trying to use a utility knife on
    > concrete. You have to bear down and make multiple passes...then *boom*
    > you're through the wrap and cutting the table.



    Yeah, I was thinking it would be like that. I'm sure one could set
    up a dremel tool with a fence to run across it, with a ceramic
    roto-blade.

    BTW, if you haven't used one yet, check these out from your local
    craft store:
    http://sewing.fiskars.com/product.html?cat=quilting_rotary_cutters

    They are great for cutting wraps and veneers.


    -MIKE-

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  10. the glass won't cut well like that because it has glass in it.

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    "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
    news:rRudnTNst45p39OiXTWJiA@comcast.com...
    > > Uh....double-cut?
    > >

    >
    > Overlap, then cut through both layers at the same time. Lift top
    > layer, pull out bottom layer scrap, lay down top layer.
    >
    >
    > -MIKE-
    >
    > --
    > http://mikedrums.com
    > mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
    > ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
    >
    >
  11. By bevel I mean just file or sand an 'edge' on the wrap, where it meets the
    edge of the drum.

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:H5qcnYuHLLEmb9CiXTWJjg@comcast.com...
    > I wouldn't have suspected that you overlap GG. I mean, the stuff is like
    > 1/16" thick.
    > I'll have to research the bevel you're talking about, I have not heard of
    > that.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    >
    > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:Sbg3b.26195$nf3.5411@fed1read07...
    > > Yea, Joey, I overlapped my glass glitter snare, too. You're supposed to
    > > overlap it. It's a much better seam anyway; a butt joint just gives the

    > wrap
    > > a choice on which side to start peeling up first; or even both. You're
    > > supposed to just overlap and bevel. The Keller shells are undersized

    > enough
    > > that it won't affect the head.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > --
    > > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    > >
    > >
    > > "joem" <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote in message
    > > news:slrnbkqtcv.9d9.jmelnyk@localhost.localdomain...
    > > > Joey Furr wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > > re-wrap
    > > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    > has
    > > any
    > > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > >
    > > > maybe your photos don't accurately represent how poor (you think) your
    > > > wrap job is....but they don't look that bad to me. my Spaun kit was

    done
    > > > with glass glitter wrap and they didn't butt-joint it; it's

    overlapped.
    > > > it doesn't look any worse than any other wrapped finish, IMHO. you

    just
    > > > have to use some care to situate the wraps so that only the player can
    > > > see them (as with any wrapped kit).
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Joe.
    > > >
    > > > "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    > > > chance." - storm&stress

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  12. Tangerine might look great in the sun or on stage, but frankly it
    photographs sooooo bad. =)

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "Tony Kujawa" <tonykujawa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:biku3n$ai8vb$1@ID-126279.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > I really dig that tangerine glass glitter the more I see it. LEAVE IT ON!
    > You'll figure something out.
    >
    > Tony
    >
    >
    > "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was done

    > with
    > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine Glass
    > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > >
    > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out like

    I
    > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work with!

    > It's
    > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting the
    > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    > edges
    > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste of
    > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what my
    > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > >
    > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    because
    > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > >
    > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > >
    > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > >
    > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping a
    > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    passes.
    > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a testament

    to
    > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > >
    > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > re-wrap
    > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT) has

    > any
    > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ...Joey
    > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  13. Russ Benoit

    Russ Benoit Guest

    "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:fJy3b.33405$nf3.33059@fed1read07...
    > <<if you
    > > use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or

    lift>>
    >
    > Check, check and check... I would only tape the seams on a drum AFTER I've
    > already cemented the rest. You can probably get away with it with glitter
    > and sparkle, because it's thicker (I have a snare that Rob wrapped with

    the
    > tape method, silver sparkle, and it's holding up fine), but I tried it on
    > Smoke Pearl and the kit went to hell after a few months (ask Benoit, he

    saw
    > the results first hand! =).



    Yeah, that wrap was NOT pretty :) I pulled the shells out of the box and
    said "hey this wrap job isn't that bad at all!" Then I saw the
    seams....ouch.

    Ant, were those shells originally Champagne Sparkle? That's what it looked
    like to me...

    BTW I did take pics of the shells with the wrap still on, so if you want me
    to post them, hee hee hee.... I've just finished filling in the mic mount
    holes with Plastic Wood and sanding them down, so far so good. Still have a
    long way to go on hardware though, this is going to be a much slower project
    than I anticipated.

    -Russ

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  14. Tony Kujawa

    Tony Kujawa Guest

    I've never seen the finish in person, but I imagine it blows the photos of
    it away.

    Tony

    "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:t7z3b.33408$nf3.29618@fed1read07...
    > Tangerine might look great in the sun or on stage, but frankly it
    > photographs sooooo bad. =)
    >
    > --
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    >
    >
    > "Tony Kujawa" <tonykujawa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:biku3n$ai8vb$1@ID-126279.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > > I really dig that tangerine glass glitter the more I see it. LEAVE IT

    ON!
    > > You'll figure something out.
    > >
    > > Tony
    > >
    > >
    > > "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > > news:cI-cnYzA3dU37NCiXTWJkA@comcast.com...
    > > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was

    done
    > > with
    > > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine

    Glass
    > > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > > >
    > > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out

    like
    > I
    > > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work

    with!
    > > It's
    > > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting

    the
    > > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    > > edges
    > > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste

    of
    > > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what

    my
    > > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > > >
    > > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    > because
    > > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > > >
    > > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > > >
    > > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > > >
    > > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping

    a
    > > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    > passes.
    > > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a

    testament
    > to
    > > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > > >
    > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > > re-wrap
    > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    has
    > > any
    > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ...Joey
    > > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  15. Naw, you don't have to post them. =)

    Yea, they were Champagne sparkle, and I regret ever doing anything to 'em in
    the first place. =)

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "Russ Benoit" <russ@NOSPAMgodscousinphil.com> wrote in message
    news:737aee49ee11347cebb316a70af46e2a@news.teranews.com...
    >
    > "Anthony Giampa" <Imperiai2@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:fJy3b.33405$nf3.33059@fed1read07...
    > > <<if you
    > > > use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or

    > lift>>
    > >
    > > Check, check and check... I would only tape the seams on a drum AFTER

    I've
    > > already cemented the rest. You can probably get away with it with

    glitter
    > > and sparkle, because it's thicker (I have a snare that Rob wrapped with

    > the
    > > tape method, silver sparkle, and it's holding up fine), but I tried it

    on
    > > Smoke Pearl and the kit went to hell after a few months (ask Benoit, he

    > saw
    > > the results first hand! =).

    >
    >
    > Yeah, that wrap was NOT pretty :) I pulled the shells out of the box and
    > said "hey this wrap job isn't that bad at all!" Then I saw the
    > seams....ouch.
    >
    > Ant, were those shells originally Champagne Sparkle? That's what it looked
    > like to me...
    >
    > BTW I did take pics of the shells with the wrap still on, so if you want

    me
    > to post them, hee hee hee.... I've just finished filling in the mic mount
    > holes with Plastic Wood and sanding them down, so far so good. Still have

    a
    > long way to go on hardware though, this is going to be a much slower

    project
    > than I anticipated.
    >
    > -Russ
    >
    > -----------------------------------------------------------------
    > Visit the All-New Lexington Music website
    > http://home.comcast.net/~lexingtonmusic
    >
    > I turned my back and everything changed...
    > -----------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    >
  16. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Anthony Giampa wrote:

    > <<if you
    > > use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or lift>>

    >
    > Check, check and check... I would only tape the seams on a drum AFTER I've
    > already cemented the rest. You can probably get away with it with glitter
    > and sparkle, because it's thicker (I have a snare that Rob wrapped with the
    > tape method, silver sparkle, and it's holding up fine), but I tried it on
    > Smoke Pearl and the kit went to hell after a few months (ask Benoit, he saw
    > the results first hand! =).
    >
    > --
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    > "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien
    >
    > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > news:Nsp3b.16266$Ih1.5721931@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > Loggerheads once again with Schuh on the amateur tape method. Joey, if you
    > > use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or lift.
    > > I'm fixing taped wrap jobs at the rate of two sets a month.
    > >
    > > --
    > > George Lawrence
    > > George's Drum Shop
    > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > 330 670 0800
    > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > >
    > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > -Chinese proverb
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > > news:3F4D98E1.592A37F0@robschuh.com...
    > > > Joey Furr wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was

    > done
    > > with
    > > > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine

    > Glass
    > > > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > > > >
    > > > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out

    > like
    > > I
    > > > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work

    > with!
    > > It's
    > > > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting

    > the
    > > > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    > > edges
    > > > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste

    > of
    > > > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what

    > my
    > > > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > > > >
    > > > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    > > because
    > > > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > > > >
    > > > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > > > >
    > > > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > > > >
    > > > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping

    > a
    > > > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    > > passes.
    > > > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a

    > testament
    > > to
    > > > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > > > >
    > > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > > re-wrap
    > > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    > has
    > > any
    > > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ...Joey
    > > > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > > >
    > > > Joey,
    > > > What shells are you using that you can't over lap the glass glitter? Why

    > > take
    > > > the wrap to the edge anyway? I have used the glass glitter with an

    > > overlapped
    > > > seam even on 60s Gretsch. I just keep about a .5" gap down from the

    > edge.
    > > > Gretsch sends their drums from the factory like this along with many

    > other
    > > > companies. I just looked at the photos. I am guessing they are Keller

    > > shells
    > > > from seeing the Adonis lugs. You should be able to over lap the seam and

    > > run the
    > > > wrap to the edge with no problem with new Keller shells. As far as the

    > > bass drum
    > > > goes, the seam is on the bottom, so no one can see it anyway. BTW, if

    > you
    > > are
    > > > going to try it again any time soon, you should try the tape method. I

    > use
    > > the
    > > > tape on the seams even when I glue the wrap. I find that the tape holds

    > > more
    > > > consistently and evenly on the seam than glue.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Robert Schuh
    > > > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > > > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > > > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > > > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > > > - Nietzsche
    > > >
    > > > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >


    Anthony,
    If this happened and you bought the wrap from Sam, he would have sent you brand
    new wrap. I really don't care what anyone has to say, but Sam has been in
    business for over 20 years and has THE best warrantee in the business. If all
    his wrap was ruined, he could not have stayed in business. What is so sad now is
    that George has let his obsession with me turn him into a Sam Barnard basher.
    Sam is one of the nicest and most honest guys anywhere. For George to keep
    making up lies about Sam's business is pathetic.


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  17. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Wow! What a surprise. George has hijacked yet another thread because of his
    obsession with me. What makes this particularly egregious are George's anti Sam
    Barnard comments. George knows NOTHING about Sam nor his business. Sam has been
    doing this for well over 20 years, has THE best warrantee in the business and is
    one of THE nicest and honest guys anywhere. George has taken his OCD based upon
    his hatred to now make libelous statements about one of the nicest guys out
    there. Class act, Class act.

    Joey Furr wrote:

    > I appreciate Rob's suggestion, but I will contact cement when I re-wrap like
    > I did the first time.
    >
    > I subscribe to the theory is that with contact cement you get a much tighter
    > bond to help the covering become a resonating 'outer ply'.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ...Joey
    > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    >
    > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > news:Nsp3b.16266$Ih1.5721931@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > Loggerheads once again with Schuh on the amateur tape method. Joey, if you
    > > use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or lift.
    > > I'm fixing taped wrap jobs at the rate of two sets a month.
    > >
    > > --
    > > George Lawrence
    > > George's Drum Shop
    > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > 330 670 0800
    > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > >
    > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > -Chinese proverb
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > > news:3F4D98E1.592A37F0@robschuh.com...
    > > > Joey Furr wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was

    > done
    > > with
    > > > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine

    > Glass
    > > > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > > > >
    > > > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out

    > like
    > > I
    > > > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work

    > with!
    > > It's
    > > > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting

    > the
    > > > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the

    > > edges
    > > > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste

    > of
    > > > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what

    > my
    > > > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > > > >
    > > > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,

    > > because
    > > > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > > > >
    > > > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > > > >
    > > > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > > > >
    > > > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping

    > a
    > > > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow

    > > passes.
    > > > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a

    > testament
    > > to
    > > > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > > > >
    > > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just

    > > re-wrap
    > > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    > has
    > > any
    > > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ...Joey
    > > > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > > >
    > > > Joey,
    > > > What shells are you using that you can't over lap the glass glitter? Why

    > > take
    > > > the wrap to the edge anyway? I have used the glass glitter with an

    > > overlapped
    > > > seam even on 60s Gretsch. I just keep about a .5" gap down from the

    > edge.
    > > > Gretsch sends their drums from the factory like this along with many

    > other
    > > > companies. I just looked at the photos. I am guessing they are Keller

    > > shells
    > > > from seeing the Adonis lugs. You should be able to over lap the seam and

    > > run the
    > > > wrap to the edge with no problem with new Keller shells. As far as the

    > > bass drum
    > > > goes, the seam is on the bottom, so no one can see it anyway. BTW, if

    > you
    > > are
    > > > going to try it again any time soon, you should try the tape method. I

    > use
    > > the
    > > > tape on the seams even when I glue the wrap. I find that the tape holds

    > > more
    > > > consistently and evenly on the seam than glue.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Robert Schuh
    > > > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > > > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > > > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > > > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > > > - Nietzsche
    > > >
    > > > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >





    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  18. Is that you Rob? TOP posting? Jeezus, now I've seen everything!

    Drummer at large

    Robert Schuh wrote:
    >
    > Wow! What a surprise. George has hijacked yet another thread because of his
    > obsession with me. What makes this particularly egregious are George's anti Sam
    > Barnard comments. George knows NOTHING about Sam nor his business. Sam has been
    > doing this for well over 20 years, has THE best warrantee in the business and is
    > one of THE nicest and honest guys anywhere. George has taken his OCD based upon
    > his hatred to now make libelous statements about one of the nicest guys out
    > there. Class act, Class act.
    >
    > Joey Furr wrote:
    >
    > > I appreciate Rob's suggestion, but I will contact cement when I re-wrap like
    > > I did the first time.
    > >
    > > I subscribe to the theory is that with contact cement you get a much tighter
    > > bond to help the covering become a resonating 'outer ply'.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ...Joey
    > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > >
    > > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > > news:Nsp3b.16266$Ih1.5721931@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > > Loggerheads once again with Schuh on the amateur tape method. Joey, if you
    > > > use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or lift.
    > > > I'm fixing taped wrap jobs at the rate of two sets a month.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > George Lawrence
    > > > George's Drum Shop
    > > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > > 330 670 0800
    > > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > > >
    > > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > > -Chinese proverb
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:3F4D98E1.592A37F0@robschuh.com...
    > > > > Joey Furr wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was

    > > done
    > > > with
    > > > > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine

    > > Glass
    > > > > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out

    > > like
    > > > I
    > > > > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work

    > > with!
    > > > It's
    > > > > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it. Getting

    > > the
    > > > > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that the
    > > > edges
    > > > > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will be
    > > > > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice waste

    > > of
    > > > > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is what

    > > my
    > > > > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,
    > > > because
    > > > > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times, clamping

    > > a
    > > > > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow
    > > > passes.
    > > > > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a

    > > testament
    > > > to
    > > > > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could just
    > > > re-wrap
    > > > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm - JMT)

    > > has
    > > > any
    > > > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > >
    > > > > > ...Joey
    > > > > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > > > >
    > > > > Joey,
    > > > > What shells are you using that you can't over lap the glass glitter? Why
    > > > take
    > > > > the wrap to the edge anyway? I have used the glass glitter with an
    > > > overlapped
    > > > > seam even on 60s Gretsch. I just keep about a .5" gap down from the

    > > edge.
    > > > > Gretsch sends their drums from the factory like this along with many

    > > other
    > > > > companies. I just looked at the photos. I am guessing they are Keller
    > > > shells
    > > > > from seeing the Adonis lugs. You should be able to over lap the seam and
    > > > run the
    > > > > wrap to the edge with no problem with new Keller shells. As far as the
    > > > bass drum
    > > > > goes, the seam is on the bottom, so no one can see it anyway. BTW, if

    > > you
    > > > are
    > > > > going to try it again any time soon, you should try the tape method. I

    > > use
    > > > the
    > > > > tape on the seams even when I glue the wrap. I find that the tape holds
    > > > more
    > > > > consistently and evenly on the seam than glue.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > Robert Schuh
    > > > > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > > > > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > > > > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > > > > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > > > > - Nietzsche
    > > > >
    > > > > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  19. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    I've never done a side-by-side comparison...I am just comfortable with
    gluing now that I've done these 4 drums, so I'll forgo having to learn a new
    technique (no matter how easy) on the last two.

    I does seem like to me (and this is purely conjecture) that a cemented wrap
    would act more like an outer ply than tape...unless the wrap was pulled
    *very* tight before the final taping. But again, I have zero experience with
    taped wrap.

    --

    ....Joey
    "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F503BDF.1F50A706@robschuh.com...
    > Wow! What a surprise. George has hijacked yet another thread because of

    his
    > obsession with me. What makes this particularly egregious are George's

    anti Sam
    > Barnard comments. George knows NOTHING about Sam nor his business. Sam has

    been
    > doing this for well over 20 years, has THE best warrantee in the business

    and is
    > one of THE nicest and honest guys anywhere. George has taken his OCD based

    upon
    > his hatred to now make libelous statements about one of the nicest guys

    out
    > there. Class act, Class act.
    >
    > Joey Furr wrote:
    >
    > > I appreciate Rob's suggestion, but I will contact cement when I re-wrap

    like
    > > I did the first time.
    > >
    > > I subscribe to the theory is that with contact cement you get a much

    tighter
    > > bond to help the covering become a resonating 'outer ply'.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ...Joey
    > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > >
    > > "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    > > news:Nsp3b.16266$Ih1.5721931@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > > > Loggerheads once again with Schuh on the amateur tape method. Joey, if

    you
    > > > use tape there is a likelihood that the wrap will shrink, bubble or

    lift.
    > > > I'm fixing taped wrap jobs at the rate of two sets a month.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > George Lawrence
    > > > George's Drum Shop
    > > > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > > > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > > > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > > > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > > > 330 670 0800
    > > > toll free 866 970 0800
    > > >
    > > > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > > > buy each of his children a drum."
    > > > -Chinese proverb
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:3F4D98E1.592A37F0@robschuh.com...
    > > > > Joey Furr wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > Well, I was going to spring my finished project on RMMP when I was

    > > done
    > > > with
    > > > > > it: my own custom kit in 5x13, 9x12, 14x14, 18x20, with Tangerine

    > > Glass
    > > > > > Glitter wrap but I've had a setback.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Basically, I finished the wrap but the seams just did not come out

    > > like
    > > > I
    > > > > > wanted them to. Glass Glitter is some freakin' hard stuff to work

    > > with!
    > > > It's
    > > > > > so thick you can't overlap it... you have to butt-joint it.

    Getting
    > > the
    > > > > > edges straight without a special machine is tough. On top of that

    the
    > > > edges
    > > > > > are like fiberglass and they are white, so any imperfections will

    be
    > > > > > amplified. I've decided to pull the wrap off (which was a nice

    waste
    > > of
    > > > > > $300) and finish them natural or stained and lacquered, which is

    what
    > > my
    > > > > > question for Rob was for. The bass drum has already been stripped.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > It's a shame because the snare and 12" tom came out well. Figures,
    > > > because
    > > > > > my best seam is behind a freakin' R.I.M.S. mount.
    > > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/12_tom.jpg
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Here is an example of a total amateur working with Glass Glitter.
    > > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft.jpg
    > > > > > http://216.12.218.129/members/joey/ft_seam.jpg
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The covering was contact cemented and pressed on...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > By the way, these seams were cut after measuring three times,

    clamping
    > > a
    > > > > > straightedge and the covering to a table, and making several slow
    > > > passes.
    > > > > > The fact that they didn't come out straight I guess is just a

    > > testament
    > > > to
    > > > > > how much I must suck at covering.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Maybe if I could mask the seam on the floor tom somehow I could

    just
    > > > re-wrap
    > > > > > the bass drum. I guess that depends on if any of you Apes (tm -

    JMT)
    > > has
    > > > any
    > > > > > good technique for hiding a seam?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > >
    > > > > > ...Joey
    > > > > > "...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper
    > > > >
    > > > > Joey,
    > > > > What shells are you using that you can't over lap the glass glitter?

    Why
    > > > take
    > > > > the wrap to the edge anyway? I have used the glass glitter with an
    > > > overlapped
    > > > > seam even on 60s Gretsch. I just keep about a .5" gap down from the

    > > edge.
    > > > > Gretsch sends their drums from the factory like this along with many

    > > other
    > > > > companies. I just looked at the photos. I am guessing they are

    Keller
    > > > shells
    > > > > from seeing the Adonis lugs. You should be able to over lap the seam

    and
    > > > run the
    > > > > wrap to the edge with no problem with new Keller shells. As far as

    the
    > > > bass drum
    > > > > goes, the seam is on the bottom, so no one can see it anyway. BTW,

    if
    > > you
    > > > are
    > > > > going to try it again any time soon, you should try the tape method.

    I
    > > use
    > > > the
    > > > > tape on the seams even when I glue the wrap. I find that the tape

    holds
    > > > more
    > > > > consistently and evenly on the seam than glue.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > Robert Schuh
    > > > > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > > > > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > > > > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > > > > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > > > > - Nietzsche
    > > > >
    > > > > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >
    >
  20. BlueM0ZARK

    BlueM0ZARK Guest

    Lil' Robbie, the rmmp hate monger spewed forth from his diseased piehole:

    < What is so sad now is that George has let his obsession with me turn him into
    a Sam Barnard basher.Sam is one of the nicest and most honest guys anywhere.
    For George to keep making up lies about Sam's business is pathetic.>

    For the record, Filthboy - I've never seen George personally badmouth Sam
    Barnard, only the drum wrap tape method. Common sense will tell *anyone* that
    only a dumbass would use tape to hold drum wrap.

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