Help! - I need some new instrument cables

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by jimmyd, Aug 17, 2003.

  1. jimmyd

    jimmyd Guest

    Well it's that time again. Time to buy some new instrument cables and
    my local establishments have either the house brand which aren't that
    good or way overpriced Spectraflex types or something else. Looks
    like a web purchase may be in order but I'm not sure what I want yet.

    For the folks on this newsgroup slugging it out as weekend warriors or
    better, what instrument cables have you found that you're sold on and
    why?

    I'm tempted to go the George L route as a couple years back I did my
    pedalboard with his cables and they have performed flawlessly. I
    don't know if I want the .155" or the .255" or whatever the larger
    diameter is to go from my guitar to the pedalboard.

    What else cable wise is out there that is a top notch quality product?

    Jim
  2. "jimmyd" <jjdolcqa@enter.net> wrote in message
    news:m800kvk7t2kgu5mmt5raiornqpnct2flrf@4ax.com...

    > For the folks on this newsgroup slugging it out as weekend warriors or
    > better, what instrument cables have you found that you're sold on and
    > why?


    Well, I'm sure I'll get some sneers for saying this but, forget the George
    L's... Trust me. The contacts will eventually give way during a gig and you
    won't be able to track it down and you'll be all frazzled in the middle of
    your mammoth lead solo! (I know, cuz I have been there). FINALLY, I dumped
    every single cable and got all Canare cable with some really nice Neutrik
    ends. Wonderful cable, world class instrument cable. Thing is, I had them
    all made for me as I'm too lazy to do it for myself. Actually, it's a time
    issue.

    Jim, if you're into doing it all yourself, buy some bulk Belden cable and
    find some Neutrik ends and do them yourself. If not, buy anything Belden and
    Neutrik and be done. Most cable is good, it's those cheap ass connectors
    that suck... Especially the ones you can't fix. I'm never going back. I can
    have my cables taking a dump on me anymore at gigs. At one time they were
    good cables too.

    Jeff
  3. Nunya Bidni

    Nunya Bidni Guest

    "jimmyd" <jjdolcqa@enter.net> wrote in message
    news:m800kvk7t2kgu5mmt5raiornqpnct2flrf@4ax.com...
    > Well it's that time again. Time to buy some new instrument cables and
    > my local establishments have either the house brand which aren't that
    > good or way overpriced Spectraflex types or something else. Looks
    > like a web purchase may be in order but I'm not sure what I want yet.
    >
    > For the folks on this newsgroup slugging it out as weekend warriors or
    > better, what instrument cables have you found that you're sold on and
    > why?
    >
    > I'm tempted to go the George L route as a couple years back I did my
    > pedalboard with his cables and they have performed flawlessly. I
    > don't know if I want the .155" or the .255" or whatever the larger
    > diameter is to go from my guitar to the pedalboard.
    >
    > What else cable wise is out there that is a top notch quality product?
    >
    > Jim


    I picked up one of the Planet Waves instrument cables a few weeks ago on a
    lark and liked it so much, I went back and bought a few more. They have
    gold plated contacts and a "birdcage" towards the proximal end of the jack
    that expands when the cable's plugged in to help keep it plugged in. My
    local dealer sells the 20 foot length for about $24.

    -nyb
  4. "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> writes:

    >Well, I'm sure I'll get some sneers for saying this but, forget the George
    >L's... Trust me. The contacts will eventually give way during a gig and you
    >won't be able to track it down and you'll be all frazzled in the middle of
    >your mammoth lead solo! (I know, cuz I have been there). FINALLY, I dumped
    >every single cable and got all Canare cable with some really nice Neutrik
    >ends. Wonderful cable, world class instrument cable. Thing is, I had them
    >all made for me as I'm too lazy to do it for myself. Actually, it's a time
    >issue.


    I'll pretty much second everything Jeff says. (Though I'd say George L's
    are fine for low stress environments like inside a rack or most pedal
    boards.) If you can run a soldering iron, do it yourself.

    >Jim, if you're into doing it all yourself, buy some bulk Belden cable and
    >find some Neutrik ends and do them yourself. If not, buy anything Belden and
    >Neutrik and be done. Most cable is good, it's those cheap ass connectors
    >that suck... Especially the ones you can't fix. I'm never going back. I can
    >have my cables taking a dump on me anymore at gigs. At one time they were
    >good cables too.


    Mogami is another pretty good cable that I've used. I'd also through the
    Switchcraft connectors in there with the Neutriks. Usually most cables
    built with brand name connectros such as Switchcraft or Neutrik aren't
    going to cheap out on the cable, since the cable itself is a fraction of
    the cost of the connectors. (Ironicly, the Mars inhouse cables were
    fairly inexpensive and well built.)

    Ross
  5. jimmyd

    jimmyd Guest

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:59:15 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:


    >Well, I'm sure I'll get some sneers for saying this but, forget the George
    >L's... Trust me. The contacts will eventually give way during a gig and you
    >won't be able to track it down and you'll be all frazzled in the middle of
    >your mammoth lead solo! (I know, cuz I have been there). FINALLY, I dumped
    >every single cable and got all Canare cable with some really nice Neutrik
    >ends. Wonderful cable, world class instrument cable. Thing is, I had them
    >all made for me as I'm too lazy to do it for myself. Actually, it's a time
    >issue.

    Yeah I really wasn't sold on the George L' s idea. More then one
    player on this newsgroup has mentioned intermittant operation from
    time to time. They seem to work great on the pedalboard though.

    >
    >Jim, if you're into doing it all yourself, buy some bulk Belden cable and
    >find some Neutrik ends and do them yourself. If not, buy anything Belden and
    >Neutrik and be done. Most cable is good, it's those cheap ass connectors
    >that suck... Especially the ones you can't fix. I'm never going back. I can
    >have my cables taking a dump on me anymore at gigs. At one time they were
    >good cables too.


    I can solder and use heat shrink tubing (for strain relief) so I think
    this is something to explore. Thanks for a good idea. No way am I
    gonna let my mammoth lead solo in "Whipping Post" or "Desdemona"
    suffer from poor cableitis :)

    Jim
  6. JmsDvd

    JmsDvd Guest

    Belden cable+Switchcraft or Nutrik plugs+soldering gun=great cables

    (the above is purely my own opinion)
  7. Atlas

    Atlas Guest

    x-no-archive: yes

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:34:13 GMT, jimmyd <jjdolcqa@enter.net> wrote:

    >Well it's that time again. Time to buy some new instrument cables and
    >my local establishments have either the house brand which aren't that
    >good or way overpriced Spectraflex types or something else. Looks
    >like a web purchase may be in order but I'm not sure what I want yet.
    >
    >For the folks on this newsgroup slugging it out as weekend warriors or
    >better, what instrument cables have you found that you're sold on and
    >why?
    >
    >I'm tempted to go the George L route as a couple years back I did my
    >pedalboard with his cables and they have performed flawlessly. I
    >don't know if I want the .155" or the .255" or whatever the larger
    >diameter is to go from my guitar to the pedalboard.
    >
    >What else cable wise is out there that is a top notch quality product?


    I have quite a number of instrument cables. But the two that
    stick out in my mind as being completely reliable are/were made by
    Canare. I bought 'em in the mid 80's, and have been using them ever
    since. No problems at all.




    Atlas
  8. "jimmyd" <jjdolcqa@enter.net> wrote in message
    news:5g80kv8d5jro3r7bkl7ch23cr2k6kmusps@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:59:15 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    > <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:


    > Yeah I really wasn't sold on the George L' s idea. More then one
    > player on this newsgroup has mentioned intermittant operation from
    > time to time. They seem to work great on the pedalboard though.


    They will for a while, but unless you start checking them, you're screwed.
    In a rack was OK, but even that makes me nervous. You could say that IMNSHO,
    George in NOT gigworthy unless you're anal and want to check them all the
    time...

    If you get good stuff, then you'll have good stuff...

    Jeff
  9. On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:34:13 GMT, jimmyd <jjdolcqa@enter.net> wrote:

    >For the folks on this newsgroup slugging it out as weekend warriors or
    >better, what instrument cables have you found that you're sold on and
    >why?


    Eventually any cable that sees hard use will malfunction, so what's
    the point in paying too much? I use ProCo mic and instrument cables
    from www.partsexpress.com. They're reasonably priced so I can have
    lots of spares, they're reliable, and they sound just fine. I haven't
    fried any of 'em yet, but I frequently loan out my spares to cats
    whose M.F. or other cheapos have broken.

    Texas Pete
  10. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:34:13 GMT, jimmyd <jjdolcqa@enter.net> wrote:

    >Well it's that time again. Time to buy some new instrument cables and
    >my local establishments have either the house brand which aren't that
    >good or way overpriced Spectraflex types or something else. Looks
    >like a web purchase may be in order but I'm not sure what I want yet.
    >
    >For the folks on this newsgroup slugging it out as weekend warriors or
    >better, what instrument cables have you found that you're sold on and
    >why?



    um, the armor cable is good, cant remember who makes it. Doesnt get
    tangled easily, and i'm a notorious rats nester with a cable. Worth a
    look.

    i've had two spectraflexes for years now. i dont know about George L
    sound quality or anything, and i dont care. The Spectraflexes dont
    break. Ever. thats more important to me.
  11. As howldog <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> so eloquently put:
    []
    [] i've had two spectraflexes for years now. i dont know about George L
    [] sound quality or anything, and i dont care. The Spectraflexes dont
    [] break. Ever. thats more important to me.

    Spectraflex is the sh'izzle.

    ----
    "...there would have been no Holdsworth or
    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    -- Mark Garvin
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    [These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]
  12. pH

    pH Guest

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:30:52 -0500, Atlas <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

    [...]
    > I have quite a number of instrument cables. But the two that
    >stick out in my mind as being completely reliable are/were made by
    >Canare. I bought 'em in the mid 80's, and have been using them ever
    >since. No problems at all.


    Ditto that. Get a spool of the stuff, and a handful or two
    of Neutrik (or Switchcraft... I like the Neutrik stuff though)
    plugs, and... yer set.

    Jeff

    http://www.jefftturner.com
  13. "Not A Speck Of Cereal" <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in message
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    > Spectraflex is the sh'izzle.


    I have one Spectraflex cable that has lasted eons, but it won't stay
    straight. It's rebellious or something. Wasspwitdat? I may have bought this
    cable before I started rolling my cables properly. One thing for sure is
    that this Spectraflex does NOT want to be rolled properly... It just won't
    do it and it's always a mess...

    Jeff
  14. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:49:35 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

    >
    >"Not A Speck Of Cereal" <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in message
    >news:8p73kvshuuobsac6ui6ipen4nko1s18332@4ax.com...
    >
    >> Spectraflex is the sh'izzle.

    >
    >I have one Spectraflex cable that has lasted eons, but it won't stay
    >straight. It's rebellious or something. Wasspwitdat?



    i think thats why i got the Armored Cable. I'm a terrible tangler. I
    can put a knot into a Spectraflex by just thinking about it.
  15. "howldog" <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > i think thats why i got the Armored Cable. I'm a terrible tangler. I
    > can put a knot into a Spectraflex by just thinking about it.


    Right! What is "Armored Cable"? Izzat that faux metal stuff. I got SO sick
    of tangling my lead wire that I went out and bought a wireless, again! No
    tangles dude.

    Jeff
  16. Bruce Morgen

    Bruce Morgen Guest

    jimmyd <jjdolcqa@enter.net> wrote:

    >Well it's that time again. Time to buy some new instrument cables and
    >my local establishments have either the house brand which aren't that
    >good or way overpriced Spectraflex types or something else. Looks
    >like a web purchase may be in order but I'm not sure what I want yet.
    >
    >For the folks on this newsgroup slugging it out as weekend warriors or
    >better, what instrument cables have you found that you're sold on and
    >why?
    >
    >I'm tempted to go the George L route as a couple years back I did my
    >pedalboard with his cables and they have performed flawlessly. I
    >don't know if I want the .155" or the .255" or whatever the larger
    >diameter is to go from my guitar to the pedalboard.
    >
    >What else cable wise is out there that is a top notch quality product?
    >

    <http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/Connector_Cable.htm>

    George Ls are reverse-engineered
    knock-offs of BL's plug and cable
    -- George was BL's distributor and
    resorted to making his own (*far*
    inferior imo) versions when BL's
    stuff was no longer available.
    It's back and better than ever --
    so far only in with the straight
    plugs and thinner cable, with
    other variants currently in the
    design/planning stages.


    Disclaimer: I occasionally
    consult with William
    Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
    dba "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
  17. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:37:48 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

    >
    >"howldog" <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >news:jic4kvg7poi6o30n3q5ekubu3g1clf4qpv@4ax.com...
    >
    >> i think thats why i got the Armored Cable. I'm a terrible tangler. I
    >> can put a knot into a Spectraflex by just thinking about it.

    >
    >Right! What is "Armored Cable"? Izzat that faux metal stuff.



    Thompsor told me about it. I cant remember who makes it. I dont know
    if the cable is actually metal cabled, or its plastic looking faux
    metal, but it works, its a good cable.



    > I got SO sick
    >of tangling my lead wire that I went out and bought a wireless, again! No
    >tangles dude.



    just one more fucking thing to have to bring in and set up tho.

    i'm too lazy.

    and a good one aint cheap.



    >
    >Jeff
    >
    >
  18. "howldog" <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:37:48 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    > <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:


    > >Right! What is "Armored Cable"? Izzat that faux metal stuff.


    > Thompsor told me about it. I cant remember who makes it. I dont know
    > if the cable is actually metal cabled, or its plastic looking faux
    > metal, but it works, its a good cable.


    I'm pretty sure I've had my hands on that stuff and it looks cool... It's
    all about the look man!

    > > I got SO sick
    > >of tangling my lead wire that I went out and bought a wireless, again! No
    > >tangles dude.


    > just one more fucking thing to have to bring in and set up tho.


    Yeah, I know, but in my rig it's easy. It's already set up in the rack and
    all. Yeah, I still have a freakin' rack tho!

    > and a good one aint cheap.


    I got the "Shure" for about $249 (Special JL price at GC)... I almost bought
    the nice "Sennheiser" (around $400), but since I ALWAYS buy the next most
    expensive one (because it MUST be better, right?)decided to just be cheap
    and the thing works great and I'm happy. No, I don't do table and bar dances
    like I used to. Just got it to be "free" and the "no more tangles, no more
    tears" deal...

    Ya mon!

    Jeff
  19. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    Jeff Liberatore <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote in article <sIt0b.71135$hc.34772@fe3.columbus.rr.com>...

    > Yeah, I know, but in my rig it's easy. It's already set up in the rack and
    > all. Yeah, I still have a freakin' rack tho!


    Hi Jeff ( and all other gigging guitarists like Richard, Jack, etc... )

    This has been my little "rack" for a while, and I was wondering if you folks think it would hold up on the road:

    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs/Pedalboard.JPG

    The pedalboard is powered and also has a soft-shell case the thing fits into..has a shoulder strap as well.

    Oh..and all the pedals are CrazyGlue'd to the pedalboard...you can hold it upside down and they won't budge.

    Anyway...any thoughts as to this simple layout at my feet..any suggestions or something I may need to worry about?

    Thanks.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  20. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    "howldog" <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:37:48 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    > <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"howldog" <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > >news:jic4kvg7poi6o30n3q5ekubu3g1clf4qpv@4ax.com...
    > >
    > >> i think thats why i got the Armored Cable. I'm a terrible tangler. I
    > >> can put a knot into a Spectraflex by just thinking about it.

    > >
    > >Right! What is "Armored Cable"? Izzat that faux metal stuff.

    >
    >
    > Thompsor told me about it. I cant remember who makes it.


    Sampson.
    http://www.samsontech.com/products/brandpage.cfm?brandID=5


    Dan

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