Help! - I need some new instrument cables

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by jimmyd, Aug 17, 2003.

  1. "howldog" <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:37:50 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    > <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:


    > > I'm a creature of habit with slight anal tendencies.
    > >I absolutely hate it when something in my rig is not working properly. I
    > >hate to troubleshoot at a gig. I get all nervous and yell at people when
    > >stuff isn't just so... I don't like me when I'm like that, so I do

    whatever
    > >I can when it come to some preventative maintenance.


    > gee whiz. try the decaf, or, a simpler rig ;-)


    I know man... They all know to just stay away from me when I get that way.
    It's sad, and I always feel like crap when I get that way (it's seldom
    anymore though, now that I'm older), but it doesn't change WHO I am. I used
    to have a "prick" reputation years ago, but it's turned into "perfectionist"
    after all these years.

    > i'm set up in about two minutes tops, less if i just use the Zoom
    > thingie.


    I can set mine up in 8-10...

    > and its simple as all hell so rarely is anything out of whack.


    98% of the time mine is OK... It's that 2% that screws with me.

    > >IOW... Do NOT do what I do... Just read and laugh at me... And

    appreciate
    > >that your life is probably somewhat easier than mine! ;-)


    > i'm sure your stuff sounds good and you like it so,,,,,,


    In all actuality, my live rig is set up for great lead sounds (and it does
    sound great, IMHO), but I detest my rhythm sounds sometimes. I KNOW how to
    get them, but my leads suffer then, and I'm more of a classic lead guitarist
    live. If they throw a tune at me like "Panama" or "Jump", I can't get the
    job done well enough. No other bands have lead guitarists around anymow and
    it certainly ain't on the radio either. the only place you can get away with
    leads anymore is live...

    > i'm just way too lazy to deal with all that, and, our set ups are
    > often chaotic as hell, band before us pulling off, while we go on, or
    > somethign like that..... in my case, simpler the better.


    I know dude... I'm not normal, I admit... Most the time I set up in the
    afternoon before a gig, so no one is in my way and vice-versa... Again...
    I'm weird, and our sound guy hates me for it, but we pay him to run sound,
    not to bitch about my rig being set up before he gets there.

    Jeff
  2. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:15:09 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:



    >I know dude... I'm not normal, I admit... Most the time I set up in the
    >afternoon before a gig, so no one is in my way and vice-versa... Again...
    >I'm weird, and our sound guy hates me for it, but we pay him to run sound,
    >not to bitch about my rig being set up before he gets there.



    nobody's busting your ass, it works for you, so groovy.

    was talking to a friend of mine recently that had a good guitarist, in
    his band, but the guy had some mental problems, confrontational
    disorders.... guy called it "inner assholosity"

    heh.

    anyway. said last gig, they set up, then for some reason, they had to
    ask him to move his mic stand and pedals a whopping EIGHT INCHES to
    the left. And he exploded on them. Spent ten minutes bitching about it
    and moved it in one.
  3. Jeff Liberatore wrote:

    >>i'm just way too lazy to deal with all that, and, our set ups are
    >>often chaotic as hell, band before us pulling off, while we go on, or
    >>somethign like that..... in my case, simpler the better.

    >
    >
    > I know dude... I'm not normal, I admit... Most the time I set up in the
    > afternoon before a gig, so no one is in my way and vice-versa... Again...
    > I'm weird, and our sound guy hates me for it, but we pay him to run sound,
    > not to bitch about my rig being set up before he gets there.


    Why should he bitch? Does he want to set up your rig? I'd love it if
    more bands had their shit together before I got there to do sound. I
    tend to set up the PA hours in advance, and that does make it a bit
    harder for bands to set up. It's not too cool to ring out the system
    when the club's packed though. As usual, I just run with whatever the
    situation presents, cuss under my breath, take a hike to the local crack
    house, harass the female bartenders and/or waitresses; you know, help
    perpetuate the typical sound deWd stereotype ;^)

    Youse guys are lightweights, my stage rig takes 30-45 minutes to set up.
    I have to backline it if we're sharing the bill.

    .cE
  4. Les Cargill

    Les Cargill Guest

    howldog wrote:
    >
    > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:15:09 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    > <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
    >
    > >I know dude... I'm not normal, I admit... Most the time I set up in the
    > >afternoon before a gig, so no one is in my way and vice-versa... Again...
    > >I'm weird, and our sound guy hates me for it, but we pay him to run sound,
    > >not to bitch about my rig being set up before he gets there.

    >
    > nobody's busting your ass, it works for you, so groovy.
    >
    > was talking to a friend of mine recently that had a good guitarist, in
    > his band, but the guy had some mental problems, confrontational
    > disorders.... guy called it "inner assholosity"
    >
    > heh.
    >
    > anyway. said last gig, they set up, then for some reason, they had to
    > ask him to move his mic stand and pedals a whopping EIGHT INCHES to
    > the left. And he exploded on them. Spent ten minutes bitching about it
    > and moved it in one.


    I know a drummer carries an empty Midol box for just
    such occasions. Works every time,

    --
    Les Cargill
  5. "howldog" <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:15:09 GMT, "Jeff Liberatore"
    > <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote:


    > >I know dude... I'm not normal, I admit... Most the time I set up in the
    > >afternoon before a gig, so no one is in my way and vice-versa... Again...
    > >I'm weird, and our sound guy hates me for it, but we pay him to run

    sound,
    > >not to bitch about my rig being set up before he gets there.


    > nobody's busting your ass, it works for you, so groovy.


    Well, I know that man... But there aren't too many out there like me.

    > was talking to a friend of mine recently that had a good guitarist, in
    > his band, but the guy had some mental problems, confrontational
    > disorders.... guy called it "inner assholosity"


    > heh.


    LOL... I'm sure I used to get some of that, but now it's mostly just "well,
    we know him and he's harmless".

    > anyway. said last gig, they set up, then for some reason, they had to
    > ask him to move his mic stand and pedals a whopping EIGHT INCHES to
    > the left. And he exploded on them. Spent ten minutes bitching about it
    > and moved it in one.


    Ahhhh.. Well, I don't like to move my stuff either. But I don't complain if
    it's obviously in a bad place and needs to be moved. I'm always asking the
    singer to give me a little more room, so I can't bitch about that. But I
    have my little quirks and I get in early so I don't have to deal with
    everone being there at the same tome getting in each others way. Another
    reason, is when I'm setting up, I won't talk to folks till it's all working
    right and that's misconstrued as being a.....

    Jeff
  6. "Charlie Escher" <charliejane@gorge.net> wrote in message
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    > Jeff Liberatore wrote:


    > Youse guys are lightweights, my stage rig takes 30-45 minutes to set up.
    > I have to backline it if we're sharing the bill.


    Quit yer bitching Charlie. I could make your life miserable if I really
    wanted to!!! ;-)

    Dude, those monitors have NO ZIP! The mains have too much 75! And the kik
    and bass guitar are over powering the vocals and guitar. I want a little
    more acoustic taken out of my monitor.

    You better PUT me in the mix cuz if I bring all this shit, I want people to
    HEAR me! ;-)

    Jeff
  7. Darryl

    Darryl Guest

    >
    > Which Canare and Mogami? Star quad only makes sense for balanced

    applications.
    >
    > I still use a bunch of "MARS" brand cables from back when there was MARS,
    > titled "AUDIBLE PURITY GUITAR INSTRUMENT CABLE". They're some microphonic,
    > but not too bad.
    >
    > --
    > Les Cargill


    Don't know about Mogami, but I use Canare GS-6 for instrument cables. Their
    1/4 inch plugs are great too. You can get the cables pre-made or buy
    everything individually and assemble yourself.

    Darryl
  8. Darryl

    Darryl Guest

    "howldog" <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:10:50 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    > >Canare and Mogami are the least coil-memory laden cables I've ever used.

    Out
    > >of my price range, I suppose, but if were a pro, that's what I'd use.

    Slinky
    > >smooth, too.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > any idea where i can get those cables?
    >
    > never even heard of them
    >


    Check your local pro audio place and/or www.markertek.com. They have the
    cable and the connectors.

    Darryl
  9. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:05:38 -0700, "Darryl" <darryl_409@yahoo.com>
    wrote:



    >>
    >> never even heard of them
    >>

    >
    >Check your local pro audio place and/or www.markertek.com. They have the
    >cable and the connectors.
    >
    >


    thanks. a bit out of my price-interest range.
  10. Jeff Liberatore wrote:
    > "Charlie Escher" <charliejane@gorge.net> wrote in message
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    >
    >>Jeff Liberatore wrote:

    >
    >
    >>Youse guys are lightweights, my stage rig takes 30-45 minutes to set up.
    >>I have to backline it if we're sharing the bill.

    >
    >
    > Quit yer bitching Charlie. I could make your life miserable if I really
    > wanted to!!! ;-)
    >
    > Dude, those monitors have NO ZIP! The mains have too much 75! And the kik
    > and bass guitar are over powering the vocals and guitar. I want a little
    > more acoustic taken out of my monitor.
    >
    > You better PUT me in the mix cuz if I bring all this shit, I want people to
    > HEAR me! ;-)


    DeWd, I got YER SOUND right here. See this 220 plug, and the groovy
    converter I built so's you can plug in yer Marshall and pedalboard?
    Trust me, you'll love it!


    .cE ;^}
  11. As "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> so eloquently put:
    [] Not A Speck Of Cereal <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in article <rds5kvcskffcl4nn2sd3smhdgnlun923qr@4ax.com>...
    ] > [] > [...]
    [] > [] > [] Oh..and all the pedals are CrazyGlue'd to the pedalboard...you can hold it upside down and they won't budge.
    [] > [] >
    [] > [] > What happens if you want to add, subtract, or swap pedals? I mean, you
    [] > [] > DO shitcan the occasional pedal, don't you?
    [] > []
    [] > [] Makes sense...I haven't glued 'em down until I knew they were keepers and the order was correct and all that.
    [] > []
    [] > [] But...you *can* just pull them off with force 'cause its just velcro underneath.
    [] >
    [] > Velcro underneath CrAzyGlUe? What'sa point?
    [] >
    [] > Chris
    []
    [] Two posts into it with you, and I already have a headache.

    Okay, seriously.

    Is it pedal --> crazy glue --> velcro (male and female) --> pedal
    board?

    Or is it pedal --> velcro (male and female) --> crazy glue --> pedal
    board?

    Or both: pedal --> crazy glue --> velcro (male and female) --> crazy
    glue --> pedal board?

    Surely it's not Is it pedal --> velcro male --> crazy glue --> velcro
    female --> pedal board?

    Chris

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  12. Nobody

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    Not A Speck Of Cereal <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in article <56i8kvkhfnspg12vmsf19phh47ir40d2ip@4ax.com>...

    ( snip )

    It's pedal --> crazy glue --> velcro --> crazy glue -->velcro -->crazy glue --> surface of pedal board.

    Not necessarily in that order to get it like that, but that's what it is.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  13. As "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> so eloquently put:
    [] "Not A Speck Of Cereal" <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in message
    [] > As "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> so eloquently put
    []
    [] > [] I have one Spectraflex cable that has lasted eons, but it won't stay
    [] > [] straight. It's rebellious or something. Wasspwitdat?
    []
    [] > Dat'sa point: don't coil so well (though I don't have issues with this
    [] > my own bad'sef), but because of this, it don't tangle so much when not
    [] > coiled. I mean, you ain't playing when it's coiled--right?
    []
    [] Yessiree! I just like to wrap my cables neatly.

    Can't you make your coils larger?

    What happens when come back from stepping over the wedges to thrust
    yer cod-piece forward during a solo -- don't you have an unwound coil
    then? Are you compelled to re-coil it during the song, or can you wait
    until the next break?

    I make joke.

    [] IOW... Do NOT do what I do... Just read and laugh at me... And appreciate
    [] that your life is probably somewhat easier than mine! ;-)

    I'm somewhat OCD with some stuff; my sock drawer is perfect, but my
    cables are usually a mess.

    Chris

    ----
    "...there would have been no Holdsworth or
    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    -- Mark Garvin
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    [These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]
  14. "Charlie Escher" <charliejane@gorge.net> wrote in message
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    > DeWd, I got YER SOUND right here. See this 220 plug, and the groovy
    > converter I built so's you can plug in yer Marshall and pedalboard?
    > Trust me, you'll love it!


    This is exactly why you sound dudes hate us guitarists... We'll just turn
    the thing up if you leave us out. There's always at least one guitar geek at
    every gig that'll tell us they can't hear us well enough and it's the FOH
    guy causing that huge problem. That's usually enough for me!

    Not really man... I know what TOO loud for the stage is. Usually. ;-)

    Jeff
  15. As Les Cargill <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> so eloquently put:
    [...]
    [] > anyway. said last gig, they set up, then for some reason, they had to
    [] > ask him to move his mic stand and pedals a whopping EIGHT INCHES to
    [] > the left. And he exploded on them. Spent ten minutes bitching about it
    [] > and moved it in one.
    []
    [] I know a drummer carries an empty Midol box for just
    [] such occasions. Works every time,

    He must be a good aim. Still, I suggest something heavier.

    Chris

    ----
    "...there would have been no Holdsworth or
    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    -- Mark Garvin
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  16. "Not A Speck Of Cereal" <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in message
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    > As "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> so eloquently put:


    > [] Yessiree! I just like to wrap my cables neatly.


    > Can't you make your coils larger?


    About 9"-10'' seems about normal? Can't get the dang Srectraflex to do that.

    > What happens when come back from stepping over the wedges to thrust
    > yer cod-piece forward during a solo -- don't you have an unwound coil
    > then? Are you compelled to re-coil it during the song, or can you wait
    > until the next break?


    > I make joke.


    LOL... Were you the one who started the whole cod-piece thing about a year
    ago? i hadda' look that up on the internet to find out what it was. Jeeez,
    did I LMAO!

    > [] IOW... Do NOT do what I do... Just read and laugh at me... And

    appreciate
    > [] that your life is probably somewhat easier than mine! ;-)


    > I'm somewhat OCD with some stuff; my sock drawer is perfect, but my
    > cables are usually a mess.


    My sock drawer is usually a mess... But sometimes I spend time matching the
    black Nike socks with the color of gray they become after repeated washings.
    Black Nike socks are the only socks I wear to a gig!

    Hmmmm. Told ya! Ritualistic stuff...

    Jeff
  17. As "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> so eloquently put:

    [] > but if were a pro, that's what I'd use. Slinky
    [] > smooth, too.
    []
    [] Slinky smooth till the bass player shot "silly string" all over everything
    [] one wild and crazy night. Silly String will NOT come off!

    Do not taunt silly string!

    So, what'cher saying is that you've got silly string on yer cables,
    and that this makes your cables non-slinky smooth? I guess I can see
    how it make it sticky.

    [] See, real pros
    [] wouldn't use silly string man. I'm just a spend thrift when it comes to
    [] gear!

    Okay, what kind of string does a pro shoot? And are you claiming that
    this pro silly string is cheaper?

    [] Silly string and titties... The diet of a semi-pro!

    Not that there's anything wrong with that!

    Chris

    ----
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    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    -- Mark Garvin
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  18. As howldog <howldog-AINT-NO-SPAM-MAGNET@yahoo.com> so eloquently put:
    [] On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:05:38 -0700, "Darryl" <darryl_409@yahoo.com>
    [] wrote:
    []
    []
    []
    [] >>
    [] >> never even heard of them
    [] >>
    [] >
    [] >Check your local pro audio place and/or www.markertek.com. They have the
    [] >cable and the connectors.
    [] >
    [] >
    []
    [] thanks. a bit out of my price-interest range.


    semi-pro


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    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
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  19. As "Nobody" <nobodyupstairs@aolDELETE.com> so eloquently put:
    [] Not A Speck Of Cereal <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in article <56i8kvkhfnspg12vmsf19phh47ir40d2ip@4ax.com>...
    []
    [] ( snip )
    []
    [] It's pedal --> crazy glue --> velcro --> crazy glue -->velcro -->crazy glue --> surface of pedal board.
    []
    [] Not necessarily in that order to get it like that, but that's what it is.

    Crazy.


    ----
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    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    -- Mark Garvin
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  20. "Not A Speck Of Cereal" <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in message
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    > As "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> so eloquently put:


    > [] Slinky smooth till the bass player shot "silly string" all over

    everything
    > [] one wild and crazy night. Silly String will NOT come off!


    > Do not taunt silly string!


    That's what I told him (Well, asked him nicely. He's twice my size!) He
    offered to clean my cables as apology. But the fun ensued was worth the
    hassle. NO band member could get that stuff off his cables. There's glue or
    something in that stuff!!! And it's PINK!

    > So, what'cher saying is that you've got silly string on yer cables,
    > and that this makes your cables non-slinky smooth? I guess I can see
    > how it make it sticky.


    Yes... That's it. Exactly...

    > [] See, real pros
    > [] wouldn't use silly string man. I'm just a spend thrift when it comes to
    > [] gear!


    > Okay, what kind of string does a pro shoot? And are you claiming that
    > this pro silly string is cheaper?


    A real pro shoots no silly string at all. I just don't see that happening at
    one of Andys gigs. ;-)

    > [] Silly string and titties... The diet of a semi-pro!


    > Not that there's anything wrong with that!


    It's my life man. And the beer, and shots... Cigarettes too.

    Jeff

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