High Quality Stereo A/D/A converter as a set of "Gold Channels"?

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Analogeezer, Sep 2, 2003.

  1. Analogeezer

    Analogeezer Guest

    I'm going to be upgrading my DAW soon, but still keeping the same
    basic hardware, which is the ubiquitous Delta 1010.

    I think the thing sounds pretty decent but I've not been able to A/B
    it with other comparable units or higher end stuff.

    At the moment I've got a cheap two channel S/PDIF converter hung off
    the end of it (a Flying Cow) to get me another two channels, so I have
    10 channels total of Analog I/O. I like to mix through an analog
    console, not in the box, so having multiple outs is important to me.

    Would it be worth it to look at a higher end two channel converter to
    use with the Delta 1010?

    I guess my thinking is when recording, you run the important tracks
    through there, and since like many people, after basics I usually only
    overdub one or two mics at once. I'vc got some good mics and good
    pres, so I would think getting a pair of good converters would be a
    good step.

    BUT, given that I would still have the Delta 1010 in there, is doing
    this a waste of time?

    I guess I'm thinking that potential clocking issues with the Delta and
    the box with the good converters might make it so I don't get the full
    potential of the better converters.

    You usually see people with high end converters, or budget stuff, but
    not a mix of both....so I'm thinking there is a message there.

    Am I on to a good idea here, or just a waste of money that would be
    better spent upgrading my all of audio interface and converters?

    Analogeezer
  2. Arny Krueger

    Arny Krueger Guest

    "Analogeezer" <analogeezer@aerosolkings.com> wrote in message
    news:bfb37ea9.0309011639.28c81741@posting.google.com

    > I'm going to be upgrading my DAW soon, but still keeping the same
    > basic hardware, which is the ubiquitous Delta 1010.
    >
    > I think the thing sounds pretty decent but I've not been able to A/B
    > it with other comparable units or higher end stuff.


    Why don't you A/B it against itself? Just re-record your best tracks through
    it say a dozen times, and then do a level-matched, time-synched, blind
    comparison with free software you can download from
    http://www.pcabx.com/program/index.htm ?

    Preparing the data is just a little field exercise in DAW use, right?

    Listening is a fundamental talent that you bring to audio, right?

    Let your ears be your guide!

    You can download worked-out examples of this for a sound card that costs
    about 3 times more to about 6 times less per channel and measures from 6 dB
    better to 12 dB worse at http://www.pcabx.com/product/soundcard/index.htm .
    I assure you that you can hear differences due to some but not all of the
    converters posted there.
  3. Analogeezer <analogeezer@aerosolkings.com> wrote:

    > I'm going to be upgrading my DAW soon, but still keeping the same
    > basic hardware, which is the ubiquitous Delta 1010.
    >
    > I think the thing sounds pretty decent but I've not been able to A/B
    > it with other comparable units or higher end stuff.
    >
    > At the moment I've got a cheap two channel S/PDIF converter hung off
    > the end of it (a Flying Cow) to get me another two channels, so I have
    > 10 channels total of Analog I/O. I like to mix through an analog
    > console, not in the box, so having multiple outs is important to me.
    >
    > Would it be worth it to look at a higher end two channel converter to
    > use with the Delta 1010?
    >
    > I guess my thinking is when recording, you run the important tracks
    > through there, and since like many people, after basics I usually only
    > overdub one or two mics at once. I'vc got some good mics and good
    > pres, so I would think getting a pair of good converters would be a
    > good step.
    >
    > BUT, given that I would still have the Delta 1010 in there, is doing
    > this a waste of time?
    >
    > I guess I'm thinking that potential clocking issues with the Delta and
    > the box with the good converters might make it so I don't get the full
    > potential of the better converters.
    >
    > You usually see people with high end converters, or budget stuff, but
    > not a mix of both....so I'm thinking there is a message there.
    >
    > Am I on to a good idea here, or just a waste of money that would be
    > better spent upgrading my all of audio interface and converters?


    First of all, have you closely compared the sound of the Flying Cow to
    the Delta 1010? I might be tempted to assume the Flying Cow sucks
    rocks, but I'm not in a position to know for sure. You should follow
    Arny's reciped for comapring them by running a signal through them a
    bunch of times.

    Secondly, you don't have to worry about the 1010 affecting the sound
    quality of the outboard converters. It will have no effect, so long as
    you do it right. Just make sure the outboard AD converter is using its
    own clock, and the 1010 is synching off of that. Of course at playback
    you might want to change this, but so long as the "good" converters
    aren't relying on the "cheap" converters for clock, and so long as
    you're getting your data from the "good" converters to the computer
    without error or modification, then you're fine.

    Personally, I don't think there's much point in spending your
    microphones-n-beer budget on converters if you already have converters
    that you don't have a problem with.

    ulysses

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