How to make the neck slick

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by feklar, Aug 24, 2003.

  1. feklar

    feklar Guest

    WD-40? No but seriously, I want some good advice on how to make the
    hand and neck as slick as possible.

    Someone pointed out using anti-persperant. Although this works (I
    have been using Arrid XX) for a few tunes, pretty soon its right back
    to where it was and the back of the neck and fingerboard is sticky
    again.

    First, I put rubbing alcohol on a clean terry towel (disposable as far
    as I am concerned) and I wipe the strings fingerboard and back of the
    neck down good, then go to the dry end of the towel and wipe it dry,
    and rub the back of the neck down good, it brings up a decent halfway
    slick gloss.

    Then I wash my hands good, dry them, and spray Arrid XX on the
    fingering hand (No I am not a southpaw...).

    This work slick as lightning, really well, for about 8 or 10 songs.
    Then it starts to punk out, and the strings and fingerboard and the
    back of the neck start getting sticky again. It would be nice just to
    keep an alcohol soaked towel handy, but I really need to wash the
    hand, dry it, and spray it again before it works properly.

    So, this works, but it doesn't last long enough. There has to be
    something better. Hell, I would try WD-40 if I thought it would last
    20 or 30 tunes or so, all three sets. My two axes are cheap ones, so
    I could personally care if the finish gets screwed worse than it
    already is.

    Its bad enough I only recovered about 40 percent of the skill level I
    used to have so far, but if I am going to screw up and make errors, I
    want them to be mine, and not because the stupid hand got stuck on the
    stupid sticky fingerboard and refused to go to the right location.

    There has to be a longer term solution. I tried Finger-Ease, and I
    can tell you it sucks. If it was food I wouldn't feed it to my dog.
    It lasts about three or four songs, and then leaves the guitar
    requiring a wipedown with alcohol and a sticky buildup that was worse
    than before you sprayed it and harder to remove.

    Somebody send me a can of spray teflon...

    now you are really screwed
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  2. Alcohol is going to dry out your fretboard. It's probably not too great for
    the finish.


    If you're talking about a newer guitar with a poly finish on the neck, the
    only thing that will work is getting rid of that gloss poly finish.

    Sticky poly necks are one of the things I hate about most newer guitars.


    "feklar" <feklar@rock.com> wrote in message
    news:3f4877be.85164511@news.houston.sbcglobal.net...
    > WD-40? No but seriously, I want some good advice on how to make the
    > hand and neck as slick as possible.
    >
    > Someone pointed out using anti-persperant. Although this works (I
    > have been using Arrid XX) for a few tunes, pretty soon its right back
    > to where it was and the back of the neck and fingerboard is sticky
    > again.
    >
    > First, I put rubbing alcohol on a clean terry towel (disposable as far
    > as I am concerned) and I wipe the strings fingerboard and back of the
    > neck down good, then go to the dry end of the towel and wipe it dry,
    > and rub the back of the neck down good, it brings up a decent halfway
    > slick gloss.
    >
    > Then I wash my hands good, dry them, and spray Arrid XX on the
    > fingering hand (No I am not a southpaw...).
    >
    > This work slick as lightning, really well, for about 8 or 10 songs.
    > Then it starts to punk out, and the strings and fingerboard and the
    > back of the neck start getting sticky again. It would be nice just to
    > keep an alcohol soaked towel handy, but I really need to wash the
    > hand, dry it, and spray it again before it works properly.
    >
    > So, this works, but it doesn't last long enough. There has to be
    > something better. Hell, I would try WD-40 if I thought it would last
    > 20 or 30 tunes or so, all three sets. My two axes are cheap ones, so
    > I could personally care if the finish gets screwed worse than it
    > already is.
    >
    > Its bad enough I only recovered about 40 percent of the skill level I
    > used to have so far, but if I am going to screw up and make errors, I
    > want them to be mine, and not because the stupid hand got stuck on the
    > stupid sticky fingerboard and refused to go to the right location.
    >
    > There has to be a longer term solution. I tried Finger-Ease, and I
    > can tell you it sucks. If it was food I wouldn't feed it to my dog.
    > It lasts about three or four songs, and then leaves the guitar
    > requiring a wipedown with alcohol and a sticky buildup that was worse
    > than before you sprayed it and harder to remove.
    >
    > Somebody send me a can of spray teflon...
    >
    > now you are really screwed
    > http://rjnpages.tripod.com/defeat.htm
    >
    > http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
    > http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm
    >
  3. Nunya Bidni

    Nunya Bidni Guest

    "feklar" <feklar@rock.com> wrote in message
    news:3f4877be.85164511@news.houston.sbcglobal.net...
    > WD-40? No but seriously, I want some good advice on how to make the
    > hand and neck as slick as possible.


    Meguiar's 100% carnauba wax in the red bottle. Use a SMALL amount on a soft
    cotton cloth, work it in to the back of the neck- you'll feel the neck heat
    up under your hand.

    If those results aren't satisfactory, it's time to consider whether you want
    to continue playing guitars with painted necks.

    -nyb
  4. 'nuther Bob

    'nuther Bob Guest

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:42:27 GMT, feklar@rock.com (feklar) wrote:

    >First, I put rubbing alcohol on a clean terry towel (disposable as far
    >as I am concerned) and I wipe the strings fingerboard and back of the
    >neck down good,


    Alcohol removes some finishes.

    <snip>
    >So, this works, but it doesn't last long enough. There has to be
    >something better. Hell, I would try WD-40 if I thought it would last
    >20 or 30 tunes or so, all three sets. My two axes are cheap ones, so
    >I could personally care if the finish gets screwed worse than it
    >already is.


    Well, then I guess the alcohol isn't a problem. Try some silicone.
    Spray your hand too.

    Bob
  5. Nil

    Nil Guest

    On 24 Aug 2003, feklar@rock.com (feklar) wrote in
    news:3f4877be.85164511@news.houston.sbcglobal.net:

    > Its bad enough I only recovered about 40 percent of the skill
    > level I used to have so far, but if I am going to screw up and
    > make errors, I want them to be mine, and not because the stupid
    > hand got stuck on the stupid sticky fingerboard and refused to go
    > to the right location.


    I think anything you apply to the fingerboard is likely to be effective
    in the short-term only and will make things worse before long by
    gumming up the neck and frets. If the finish on the wood really is
    "sticky", then something's wrong with it. It should usually be either
    dry wood, as in rosewood, or sealed maple, which should have a hard,
    glassy finish. If it's sticky, it's either a manufacturing defect, or
    due to stuff you've sprayed on it.

    I'm thinking it's more a technique problem. If you are getting hung up
    on the neck, you may be using too much pressure over too broad an area.
    You need to press only as hard as is needed for the string to make firm
    contact with the fret -- any harder than that is wasted. It's not
    necessary to press all the way to the wood. If you do clamp down that
    hard and then try to gliss up or down the string, you're likely to get
    caught up on the frets. Try lightening up your touch, rather than
    looking for a miracle product that I'm pretty sure doesn't exist and
    may make the problem worse.
  6. some players have the back of the neck sanded down to the bare wood.

    "feklar" <feklar@rock.com> wrote in message
    news:3f4877be.85164511@news.houston.sbcglobal.net...
    > WD-40? No but seriously, I want some good advice on how to make the
    > hand and neck as slick as possible.
    >
    > Someone pointed out using anti-persperant. Although this works (I
    > have been using Arrid XX) for a few tunes, pretty soon its right back
    > to where it was and the back of the neck and fingerboard is sticky
    > again.
    >
    > First, I put rubbing alcohol on a clean terry towel (disposable as far
    > as I am concerned) and I wipe the strings fingerboard and back of the
    > neck down good, then go to the dry end of the towel and wipe it dry,
    > and rub the back of the neck down good, it brings up a decent halfway
    > slick gloss.
    >
    > Then I wash my hands good, dry them, and spray Arrid XX on the
    > fingering hand (No I am not a southpaw...).
    >
    > This work slick as lightning, really well, for about 8 or 10 songs.
    > Then it starts to punk out, and the strings and fingerboard and the
    > back of the neck start getting sticky again. It would be nice just to
    > keep an alcohol soaked towel handy, but I really need to wash the
    > hand, dry it, and spray it again before it works properly.
    >
    > So, this works, but it doesn't last long enough. There has to be
    > something better. Hell, I would try WD-40 if I thought it would last
    > 20 or 30 tunes or so, all three sets. My two axes are cheap ones, so
    > I could personally care if the finish gets screwed worse than it
    > already is.
    >
    > Its bad enough I only recovered about 40 percent of the skill level I
    > used to have so far, but if I am going to screw up and make errors, I
    > want them to be mine, and not because the stupid hand got stuck on the
    > stupid sticky fingerboard and refused to go to the right location.
    >
    > There has to be a longer term solution. I tried Finger-Ease, and I
    > can tell you it sucks. If it was food I wouldn't feed it to my dog.
    > It lasts about three or four songs, and then leaves the guitar
    > requiring a wipedown with alcohol and a sticky buildup that was worse
    > than before you sprayed it and harder to remove.
    >
    > Somebody send me a can of spray teflon...
    >
    > now you are really screwed
    > http://rjnpages.tripod.com/defeat.htm
    >
    > http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
    > http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm
    >
  7. Sheldon

    Sheldon Guest

    I think the problem many have isn't with the fingerboard or the strings, but
    with the back of the neck. When it's glossy you tend to stick to it as your
    hand perspires, which is why so many manufacturers now use a satin finish on
    their necks. If gloss is the problem, you have two choices, IMHO. You can
    either dry your hand out with powders, antiperspirants, and whatnot, or you
    can attempt to kill the gloss on the neck (not advisable on valuable,
    vintage instruments).

    Sheldon

    "Nil" <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns93E1703D078FEnilch1@204.127.199.17...
    > On 24 Aug 2003, feklar@rock.com (feklar) wrote in
    > news:3f4877be.85164511@news.houston.sbcglobal.net:
    >
    > > Its bad enough I only recovered about 40 percent of the skill
    > > level I used to have so far, but if I am going to screw up and
    > > make errors, I want them to be mine, and not because the stupid
    > > hand got stuck on the stupid sticky fingerboard and refused to go
    > > to the right location.

    >
    > I think anything you apply to the fingerboard is likely to be effective
    > in the short-term only and will make things worse before long by
    > gumming up the neck and frets. If the finish on the wood really is
    > "sticky", then something's wrong with it. It should usually be either
    > dry wood, as in rosewood, or sealed maple, which should have a hard,
    > glassy finish. If it's sticky, it's either a manufacturing defect, or
    > due to stuff you've sprayed on it.
    >
    > I'm thinking it's more a technique problem. If you are getting hung up
    > on the neck, you may be using too much pressure over too broad an area.
    > You need to press only as hard as is needed for the string to make firm
    > contact with the fret -- any harder than that is wasted. It's not
    > necessary to press all the way to the wood. If you do clamp down that
    > hard and then try to gliss up or down the string, you're likely to get
    > caught up on the frets. Try lightening up your touch, rather than
    > looking for a miracle product that I'm pretty sure doesn't exist and
    > may make the problem worse.
  8. TAPKAE

    TAPKAE Guest

    Steel wool. Rub that neck down.



    --

    TAPKAE
    http://tapkae.com

    "We're the cleanup crew for parties we were too young to attend"
    (Kevin Gilbert)
  9. "feklar" <feklar@rock.com> wrote

    > WD-40? No but seriously, I want some good advice on how to make the
    > hand and neck as slick as possible.


    I once had an Ibanez RG-440 that came with an
    unfinished neck. Slickest damn thing I ever played.
    A few strokes with some 440 wet-dry sandpaper
    was the only "maintenance" I had to give it,
    every few months.

    If you have an old beater guitar, try sanding the
    finish off the back of the neck and see how it
    suits you.

    --
    Toucan, four can
    Hey man jam
    the Tou-Wang Clan
    Reply to me @ toucan@mailblocks.com
  10. 'nuther Bob <norealaddy@somephonydomain.com> writes:

    >Well, then I guess the alcohol isn't a problem. Try some silicone.


    Only if you NEVER want to refinish the guitar, though.

    Jay
    --
    J. Verkuilen jayv@uiuc.edu
    "You spend too much time reading, Spenser. You know more stuff that don't
    make you money than anyone I know." --Lennie Seltzer (Robert B. Parker)
  11. "Nunya Bidni" <bothersomeoneelse@home.com> writes:

    >Meguiar's 100% carnauba wax in the red bottle. Use a SMALL amount on a soft
    >cotton cloth, work it in to the back of the neck- you'll feel the neck heat
    >up under your hand.


    Just a second on this, it's a pretty nice little trick and easy to do.

    And you can use what's left to wax your car! If you're bald, it'll give a
    pretty nice shine up top, too.

    Jay
    --
    J. Verkuilen jayv@uiuc.edu
    "You spend too much time reading, Spenser. You know more stuff that don't
    make you money than anyone I know." --Lennie Seltzer (Robert B. Parker)
  12. Jim Anable

    Jim Anable Guest

    feklar wrote:

    > WD-40? No but seriously, I want some good advice on how to make the
    > hand and neck as slick as possible.


    Wash your hands and dry them. Put a tiny bit of corn starch, talcum
    powder or baby powder on the palm of your neck hand. I used this
    technique in the 70's, but don't seem to need it anymore.

    > Someone pointed out using anti-persperant. Although this works (I
    > have been using Arrid XX) for a few tunes, pretty soon its right back
    > to where it was and the back of the neck and fingerboard is sticky
    > again.
    >
    > First, I put rubbing alcohol on a clean terry towel (disposable as far
    > as I am concerned) and I wipe the strings fingerboard and back of the
    > neck down good,


    Alcohol will damage some finishes and will dry out the fretboard over
    time.

    > then go to the dry end of the towel and wipe it dry,
    > and rub the back of the neck down good, it brings up a decent halfway
    > slick gloss.
    >
    > Then I wash my hands good, dry them, and spray Arrid XX on the
    > fingering hand (No I am not a southpaw...).
    >
    > This work slick as lightning, really well, for about 8 or 10 songs.
    > Then it starts to punk out, and the strings and fingerboard and the
    > back of the neck start getting sticky again. It would be nice just to
    > keep an alcohol soaked towel handy, but I really need to wash the
    > hand, dry it, and spray it again before it works properly.
    >
    > So, this works, but it doesn't last long enough. There has to be
    > something better. Hell, I would try WD-40 if I thought it would last
    > 20 or 30 tunes or so, all three sets. My two axes are cheap ones, so
    > I could personally care if the finish gets screwed worse than it
    > already is.
    >
    > Its bad enough I only recovered about 40 percent of the skill level I
    > used to have so far, but if I am going to screw up and make errors, I
    > want them to be mine, and not because the stupid hand got stuck on the
    > stupid sticky fingerboard and refused to go to the right location.
    >
    > There has to be a longer term solution. I tried Finger-Ease, and I
    > can tell you it sucks. If it was food I wouldn't feed it to my dog.
    > It lasts about three or four songs, and then leaves the guitar
    > requiring a wipedown with alcohol and a sticky buildup that was worse
    > than before you sprayed it and harder to remove.
    >
    > Somebody send me a can of spray teflon...
    >
    > now you are really screwed
    > http://rjnpages.tripod.com/defeat.htm
    >
    > http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
    > http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm
  13. Guncho

    Guncho Guest

    Wouldn't sanding down the back off the neck make it look REALLY bad?

    Also man don't use alchohol on your fretboard!

    Chris
  14. "Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote

    > Wouldn't sanding down the back off the neck make it look REALLY bad?


    Depends on a couple of things. If the back of the
    neck is in a natural, clear finish, I can't imagine its
    looks would suffer being sanded down to the
    wood.

    Secondly, sometimes you have to sacrifice form for
    function. Since the original poster asked for a
    solution to "sticky neck," we must assume this is the
    primary objective.

    > Also man don't use alchohol on your fretboard!


    Or alcohol, for that matter. :)

    --
    Toucan, four can
    Hey man jam
    the Tou-Wang Clan
    Reply to me @ toucan@mailblocks.com
  15. Don't forget to bring a TOWEL! <touscan4kin@com-diddley-castaway.net> wrote
    in message news:A_SdnR0ph-kgstSiU-KYuQ@comcast.com...
    > "Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote
    >
    > > Wouldn't sanding down the back off the neck make it look REALLY bad?

    >
    > Depends on a couple of things. If the back of the
    > neck is in a natural, clear finish, I can't imagine its
    > looks would suffer being sanded down to the
    > wood.
    >
    > Secondly, sometimes you have to sacrifice form for
    > function. Since the original poster asked for a
    > solution to "sticky neck," we must assume this is the
    > primary objective.
    >


    Randy Bachman sanded the finish off the neck of one of his Strats while
    with BTO. He would use fine steel wool every now and again to keep it
    smooth and lose the gunk.

    JMK
  16. pH

    pH Guest

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:42:27 GMT, feklar@rock.com (feklar) wrote:

    >WD-40? No but seriously, I want some good advice on how to make the
    >hand and neck as slick as possible.


    Giving the back of the neck a good steel woolin' with some 0000
    will definitely improve the situation, but... only as long as your
    hand stays dry (though still not as bad as the glossy finish).

    Most righteous feeling neck you'll ever play, is either bare wood
    or tung oiled. (I use a tung oiled neck, now, and there ain't no
    goin' back.)

    Jeff

    http://www.jefftturner.com
  17. feklar

    feklar Guest

    On 24 Aug 2003 13:56:45 -0700, cgunter@hotmail.com (Guncho) wrote:

    >Wouldn't sanding down the back off the neck make it look REALLY bad?
    >
    >Also man don't use alchohol on your fretboard!
    >
    >Chris

    If not alcohol then what?

    now you are really screwed
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    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

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  18. Nunya Bidni

    Nunya Bidni Guest

    "feklar" <feklar@rock.com> wrote in message
    news:3f498868.154977254@news.houston.sbcglobal.net...
    > On 24 Aug 2003 13:56:45 -0700, cgunter@hotmail.com (Guncho) wrote:
    >
    > >Wouldn't sanding down the back off the neck make it look REALLY bad?
    > >
    > >Also man don't use alchohol on your fretboard!
    > >
    > >Chris

    > If not alcohol then what?


    A rosewood fretboard? To clean it, take the strings off the guitar and use
    mineral spirits and 0000 or finer steel wool. Be sure to cover your pickups
    with masking tape before you start or you'll be picking bits of steel wool
    off of them for months. Go with the grain on the fretboard- so headstock to
    heel. Use just a small amount of mineral spirits, allow ot to dry, then
    buff the fretboard with a soft cloth and repeat. After you've buffed the
    fretboard for a second time, apply a small amount of lemon oil or bore oil
    with a clean soft cloth, wait 30 minutes for it to absorb into the wood,
    then wipe off any remaining excess with a paper towel and restring.

    Also, spend $10 on a copy of Erlewine's "Guitar Player's Repair Guide."
    Practically anything you'd ever want to know about do-it-yourself guitar
    maintenance is in there.
  19. "Jim Anable" <jim@seattle-attorney.com> wrote in message
    news:3F49248C.3ED456DE@seattle-attorney.com...
    > feklar wrote:
    >

    <snip>

    > Wash your hands and dry them. Put a tiny bit of corn starch, talcum
    > powder or baby powder on the palm of your neck hand. I used this
    > technique in the 70's, but don't seem to need it anymore.
    >

    I remember seeing Zappa and Adrian Belew do a kind of Olympic gymanst
    routine with some kind of chalk/powder prior to *City Of Tiny Lights*
    circa the mid 70's. I used to keep a bottle of lemon pledge handy to
    *lube up* with. These days the thought of any kind of *gunk* on my
    fretboard/neck makes me cringe.

    Kerry M
  20. feklar

    feklar Guest

    I should have mentioned this. One is an Aira Pro II RS Series Bobcat
    with maple/rosewood, the other a Harmony strat copy with maple/maple.

    Actually, my main concern is the back of the neck and the strings.
    What to use to clean the strings and the back of the neck before and
    after if not alcohol? That is what I should have asked.


    On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:12:55 GMT, "Nunya Bidni"
    <bothersomeoneelse@home.com> wrote:

    >
    >"feklar" <feklar@rock.com> wrote in message
    >news:3f498868.154977254@news.houston.sbcglobal.net...
    >> On 24 Aug 2003 13:56:45 -0700, cgunter@hotmail.com (Guncho) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Wouldn't sanding down the back off the neck make it look REALLY bad?
    >> >
    >> >Also man don't use alchohol on your fretboard!
    >> >
    >> >Chris

    >> If not alcohol then what?

    >
    >A rosewood fretboard? To clean it, take the strings off the guitar and use
    >mineral spirits and 0000 or finer steel wool. Be sure to cover your pickups
    >with masking tape before you start or you'll be picking bits of steel wool
    >off of them for months. Go with the grain on the fretboard- so headstock to
    >heel. Use just a small amount of mineral spirits, allow ot to dry, then
    >buff the fretboard with a soft cloth and repeat. After you've buffed the
    >fretboard for a second time, apply a small amount of lemon oil or bore oil
    >with a clean soft cloth, wait 30 minutes for it to absorb into the wood,
    >then wipe off any remaining excess with a paper towel and restring.
    >
    >Also, spend $10 on a copy of Erlewine's "Guitar Player's Repair Guide."
    >Practically anything you'd ever want to know about do-it-yourself guitar
    >maintenance is in there.
    >
    >


    now you are really screwed
    http://rjnpages.tripod.com/defeat.htm

    http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

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