How to make the neck slick

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by feklar, Aug 24, 2003.

  1. feklar

    feklar Guest

    Anyone ever used graphite lock lube? Turn you hand black enough, no
    doubt, but damn I bet that would be the bomb. I think I'll chance
    that up a little and see what happens. Just have to remember to be
    careful what I touch, and not using that hand to wipe sweat or face
    scratch with.

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:42:27 GMT, feklar@rock.com (feklar) wrote:

    >WD-40? No but seriously, I want some good advice on how to make the
    >hand and neck as slick as possible.
    >
    >Someone pointed out using anti-persperant. Although this works (I
    >have been using Arrid XX) for a few tunes, pretty soon its right back
    >to where it was and the back of the neck and fingerboard is sticky
    >again.
    >
    >First, I put rubbing alcohol on a clean terry towel (disposable as far
    >as I am concerned) and I wipe the strings fingerboard and back of the
    >neck down good, then go to the dry end of the towel and wipe it dry,
    >and rub the back of the neck down good, it brings up a decent halfway
    >slick gloss.
    >
    >Then I wash my hands good, dry them, and spray Arrid XX on the
    >fingering hand (No I am not a southpaw...).
    >
    >This work slick as lightning, really well, for about 8 or 10 songs.
    >Then it starts to punk out, and the strings and fingerboard and the
    >back of the neck start getting sticky again. It would be nice just to
    >keep an alcohol soaked towel handy, but I really need to wash the
    >hand, dry it, and spray it again before it works properly.
    >
    >So, this works, but it doesn't last long enough. There has to be
    >something better. Hell, I would try WD-40 if I thought it would last
    >20 or 30 tunes or so, all three sets. My two axes are cheap ones, so
    >I could personally care if the finish gets screwed worse than it
    >already is.
    >
    >Its bad enough I only recovered about 40 percent of the skill level I
    >used to have so far, but if I am going to screw up and make errors, I
    >want them to be mine, and not because the stupid hand got stuck on the
    >stupid sticky fingerboard and refused to go to the right location.
    >
    >There has to be a longer term solution. I tried Finger-Ease, and I
    >can tell you it sucks. If it was food I wouldn't feed it to my dog.
    >It lasts about three or four songs, and then leaves the guitar
    >requiring a wipedown with alcohol and a sticky buildup that was worse
    >than before you sprayed it and harder to remove.
    >
    >Somebody send me a can of spray teflon...
    >
    >now you are really screwed
    >http://rjnpages.tripod.com/defeat.htm
    >
    >http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
    >http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm
    >


    now you are really screwed
    http://rjnpages.tripod.com/defeat.htm

    http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

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  2. feklar

    feklar Guest

  3. Jeff Gross

    Jeff Gross Guest

    Chet Atkins used to just use his skin oil from around his nose & forhead
    to keep his strings slick. It works, and you only have to wipe the neck
    once or twice each hour of playing. I sweat like a racehorse in a sauna
    and it works for me. Also contrary to what some have said, I've never
    had a bit of trouble using alcohol to clean my guitars, and I've been
    doing it to the same guitars for years without any problems that I can
    see, feel or hear. My main axe has been getting alcohol wipe-downs for
    over 17 years and I have no problems with it other than the fact that
    I'm wearing out the frets from playing it so much (about 100 gigs/year).

    Good luck,
    - Jeff G
    http://dirty-ernie.com


    >
    >
  4. "Jeff Gross" <jeffgross@charter.net> wrote in message
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    > Chet Atkins used to just use his skin oil from around his nose & forhead
    > to keep his strings slick.


    I've heard bass players say that before too. One time in life when being
    greasy can be a plus.
  5. feklar

    feklar Guest

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:54:19 -0500, Jeff Gross <jeffgross@charter.net>
    wrote:

    >Chet Atkins


    No offesne to the late great country artist intended, but although
    that might work for "Your Cheatin' Heart”, I'm not so sure it would
    fly with "Day of The Eagle" by Trower or "Hot for Teacher" by Van
    Halen...

    Those are two of the worst for being easy to screw up on when the
    stupid hand sticks to the stupid neck or strings.

    Try playing the lead "Frankenstien" by Edgar Winter with your stupid
    hand sticking all over the neck... hard enough to play without that
    extra bullshit.

    I should have specified that the problem lied mostly in fast leads
    getting screwed up. Its worst in leads that involve pressure slides.
    Like, I can pull off the lead to Ozzy's "I don't know" flawlessly when
    the neck is sticking, but I can't play something as simple as the lead
    to "Can't Buy Me Love" by the Beatles with that sticking bullshit
    going on. The former doesn't ahve any applied pressure slides, but
    the latter does. This makes me supect the problem is skin cells on
    the strings more than the sweat itself, or at least as much.

    I don't know if your advice would be applicable, it would seem to just
    be adding more sweat, and sweat is half responsible for the problem.
    I think the rest of it almost as to lie in skin cells sloughing off
    the fingertip callouses, and the cells, sweat, and strings not mixing
    very well.

    I was out of practice for 20 years, hadn't touched a guitar for 10
    years until 9 months ago, and I haven't been practicing as much as I
    really should for having the intent to go out gigging, and so the
    fingertips could stand a little building up. And I also have the
    nasty uncontrollable habit of biting the callouses off sometimes and
    have to regrow them. They grow back harder every time, but its still
    a really bad habit I need to try to get rid of. After I play 6 or 8
    or 10 tunes, the fingertip callouses are white, so you know that dead
    skin cells are coming off of them. I don't mean white-boy white, I
    mean wall paint white. Looks like burns or blisters, only hard and
    with no fluid or pain. Yeah that's it, white like a burn caused by a
    really high temperature second degree burn like from a soldering gun
    or deep fryer. Exact same color. And its fairly easy to scrape some
    of the dead skin off the callouses with a fingernail.

    I wonder if there is a way other than superglue to add a layer of
    protection to the fingertips. Someone once suggested witch hazel in
    here, I might have to try that. Until I can get the callouses back
    they way they need to be this will continue to be a pain in the ass.

    I think the graphite lock lube will work though, I suspect I will try
    that approach, maybe keep an extra towel around to wipe all but the
    thinnest coating off the hand and neck after applying it.

    If skin cells from the fingertip callouses really are the source of
    the problem, they shouldn't be able to get past the tiny graphite
    particles to stick on the strings. Like trying to apply paint pigment
    to silicone...

    now you are really screwed
    http://rjnpages.tripod.com/defeat.htm

    http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

    And don't forget to vist
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  6. Rob Valente

    Rob Valente Guest

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:42:27 GMT, feklar@rock.com (feklar) wrote:

    >WD-40? No but seriously, I want some good advice on how to make the
    >hand and neck as slick as possible.
    >
    >Someone pointed out using anti-persperant. Although this works (I
    >have been using Arrid XX) for a few tunes, pretty soon its right back
    >to where it was and the back of the neck and fingerboard is sticky
    >again.
    >
    >First, I put rubbing alcohol on a clean terry towel (disposable as far
    >as I am concerned) and I wipe the strings fingerboard and back of the
    >neck down good, then go to the dry end of the towel and wipe it dry,
    >and rub the back of the neck down good, it brings up a decent halfway
    >slick gloss.
    >
    >Then I wash my hands good, dry them, and spray Arrid XX on the
    >fingering hand (No I am not a southpaw...).
    >
    >This work slick as lightning, really well, for about 8 or 10 songs.
    >Then it starts to punk out, and the strings and fingerboard and the
    >back of the neck start getting sticky again. It would be nice just to
    >keep an alcohol soaked towel handy, but I really need to wash the
    >hand, dry it, and spray it again before it works properly.
    >
    >So, this works, but it doesn't last long enough. There has to be
    >something better. Hell, I would try WD-40 if I thought it would last
    >20 or 30 tunes or so, all three sets. My two axes are cheap ones, so
    >I could personally care if the finish gets screwed worse than it
    >already is.
    >
    >Its bad enough I only recovered about 40 percent of the skill level I
    >used to have so far, but if I am going to screw up and make errors, I
    >want them to be mine, and not because the stupid hand got stuck on the
    >stupid sticky fingerboard and refused to go to the right location.
    >
    >There has to be a longer term solution. I tried Finger-Ease, and I
    >can tell you it sucks. If it was food I wouldn't feed it to my dog.
    >It lasts about three or four songs, and then leaves the guitar
    >requiring a wipedown with alcohol and a sticky buildup that was worse
    >than before you sprayed it and harder to remove.
    >
    >Somebody send me a can of spray teflon...
    >


    I use baby powder. Put a little into the palm of my hand, wipe it up
    and down the neck, and you're set. It may only last for several songs,
    but I just keep it handy and add a little more when I need it. Works
    great.

    Some Fast Fret will help for the strings.

    Rob
  7. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:54:19 -0500, Jeff Gross <jeffgross@charter.net>
    wrote:

    >Chet Atkins used to just use his skin oil from around his nose & forhead
    >to keep his strings slick.



    i tried that at a gig once but then the EPA had to shut the venue
    down.
  8. "James Kaihatu" wrote:

    >Randy Bachman sanded the finish off the neck of one of his Strats while
    >with BTO. He would use fine steel wool every now and again to keep it
    >smooth and lose the gunk.


    I used a green abrasive dishpad to break the glaze on my
    Strat's neck, until it wasn't shiny, but had a smooth satin sheen. I
    never had the stickies after that.



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  9. Billy Beck

    Billy Beck Guest

    feklar@rock.com (feklar) wrote:

    >Jeff Gross <jeffgross@charter.net> wrote:
    >
    >>Chet Atkins

    >
    >No offesne to the late great country artist intended, but although
    >that might work for "Your Cheatin' Heart”, I'm not so sure it would
    >fly with "Day of The Eagle" by Trower or "Hot for Teacher" by Van
    >Halen...


    <blink> Did you ever *listen* to Chet?

    "Your Cheatin' Heart"? Good god, man. I can play "Day of the
    Eagle" just about in my sleep, but I am never ever going to bag
    "Yankee Doodle" and "Dixie" at the *same time*.

    I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure you don't understand.


    Billy

    http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php
  10. Grant

    Grant Guest

    'nuther Bob wrote:

    >
    > Well, then I guess the alcohol isn't a problem. Try some silicone.
    > Spray your hand too.



    In desperation, I once made the mistake of using some regular spray
    silicone on my fingers. Turns out that some kinds of silicone are
    actually a little on the tacky side after they dry. Exactly the wrong
    effect.

    I always use Finger-Ease spray, which is a light silicone and is
    specifically designed for lubricating guitar strings and necks. Works
    pretty well. I use it whenever I'm playing on a hot day and my hand is
    sticky.
  11. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    <Billy Beck> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Your Cheatin' Heart"? Good god, man. I can play "Day of the
    > Eagle" just about in my sleep, but I am never ever going to bag
    > "Yankee Doodle" and "Dixie" at the *same time*.
    >

    He stole that from Bugs Henderson...

    ryanm
  12. JmsDvd

    JmsDvd Guest

    Have you tried baby powder? I have used it since the 70's and it has always
    worked well for me. Hope this helps... JmsDvd
  13. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    "ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in message
    news:vkknddle3sqa64@corp.supernews.com...
    > <Billy Beck> wrote in message
    > news:aghkkvo6mavlhpf4833mirqsc7cflrmecl@4ax.com...
    > >
    > > "Your Cheatin' Heart"? Good god, man. I can play "Day of the
    > > Eagle" just about in my sleep, but I am never ever going to bag
    > > "Yankee Doodle" and "Dixie" at the *same time*.
    > >

    > He stole that from Bugs Henderson...


    I'm pretty sure Bugs got it from Chet. Chet may have got it from someone
    else, but...
    I've seen Jim Stafford do it, too ( remember him? Hit with a bunch of
    novelty songs in the seventies, "Spiders and Snakes," couple of others, hell
    of a player, never got out of the comedy niche, I hope he's doing ok in
    Vegas or Branson or whatever).

    Dan
  14. Try talc powder. It's easy, it's cheap. It works.

    Gabe
  15. <Billy Beck> wrote in message
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    >
    > feklar@rock.com (feklar) wrote:
    >
    > >Jeff Gross <jeffgross@charter.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Chet Atkins

    > >
    > >No offesne to the late great country artist intended, but although
    > >that might work for "Your Cheatin' Heart", I'm not so sure it would
    > >fly with "Day of The Eagle" by Trower or "Hot for Teacher" by Van
    > >Halen...

    >
    > <blink> Did you ever *listen* to Chet?


    That's what I was thinking. People are so use to stereotypes that they want
    to lump all "country" people into slow and dimwitted (which they are the
    exact opposite if you've ever spent time with one). I challenge anyone here
    to try and keep up with some of those bluegrass pieces (and no distortion to
    cover up your goofs).
  16. Baby oil? K-Y Jelly?

    Zoid

    z9design.com
  17. As much as it may seem backwards, the glossier your neck is, the
    more likely it is to be sticky. I use a 4000-grit sandpaper to
    lightly rub the back of my necks, and take the gloss down to a
    satiny sheen. It's not sticky after that.
    ---Michael (of Gambit)...
  18. feklar

    feklar Guest

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:49:27 GMT, feklar@rock.com (feklar) wrote:

    >I think the graphite lock lube will work though, I suspect I will try
    >that approach, maybe keep an extra towel around to wipe all but the
    >thinnest coating off the hand and neck after applying it.


    I tried the graphite lock lube.

    Don't waste your time, it accomplishes nothing.

    now you are really screwed
    http://rjnpages.tripod.com/defeat.htm

    http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

    And don't forget to vist
    http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...n&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3e7b0647.306061257%40news
    .kc.sbcglobal.net%26rnum%3D1

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