Laptop Hard Disk

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by Joel de Guzman, Jun 26, 2003.

  1. Hi,

    I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880) that
    uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to turn it
    off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in the VS880
    kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found out
    that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The bad part is
    that when I rebooted, the HD went dead, along with all my data.

    Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the data?
    I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask anyway.
    I can do some electronics if needed.

    TIA,
    --Joel
  2. Andy Foster

    Andy Foster Guest

    "Joel de Guzman" <djowel@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:bdecao$s205s$1@ID-58159.news.dfncis.de...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880) that
    > uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to turn it
    > off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in the VS880
    > kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found out
    > that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The bad part is
    > that when I rebooted, the HD went dead, along with all my data.
    >
    > Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    > Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the data?
    > I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask anyway.
    > I can do some electronics if needed.
    >


    If the disk has died, you *might* be able to resurrect it for ong enough to
    extract the data if you chill it (in a sealed bag) in the freezer
  3. Alien Zord

    Alien Zord Guest

    "Joel de Guzman" <djowel@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:bdecao$s205s$1@ID-58159.news.dfncis.de...
    > I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880) that
    > uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to turn it
    > off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in the VS880
    > kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found out
    > that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The bad part is
    > that when I rebooted, the HD went dead, along with all my data.
    >
    > Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    > Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the data?
    > I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask anyway.
    > I can do some electronics if needed.
    >


    We use 2.5" notebook hard drives in industrial computers that run
    non-stop for 5 years or more so the failure of yours after just a week
    of continuous operation must be just coincidental.
  4. >I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880) that
    >uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to turn it
    >off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in the VS880
    >kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found out
    >that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The bad part is
    >that when I rebooted, the HD went dead, along with all my data.
    >
    >Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    >Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the data?
    >I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask anyway.
    >I can do some electronics if needed.



    A disk shouldn't die merely through being on for a week. Many systems
    work their hardware MUCH harder than that! Did you shut it down by
    just "pulling the plug"? That, unfortunately, may be the cause of
    your problem.

    I fully appreciate that this information isn't in the slightest
    helpful. Sorry :-(

    CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
  5. etarhan

    etarhan Guest

    I agree with other replies. Even a notebook HDD should not die because of a
    week's power-on time. This is probably a coincidence, barring the
    possibility that you inadvertently exposed it to a big shock in your hurry
    to shut it down.

    It may be possible to revive it, depending on the actual problem. If the
    control card is faulty, you may be able to find a replacement from the
    junkbox of a computer service. This would mean good relations with one. If
    the head-disk assembly is faulty, this is usually final. Of course, there
    are a number of companies which salvage whatever is possible form a crashed
    disk, but this may be painful financially.

    Good luck,
    Engin

    "Joel de Guzman" <djowel@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:bdecao$s205s$1@ID-58159.news.dfncis.de...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880) that
    > uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to turn it
    > off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in the VS880
    > kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found out
    > that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The bad part is
    > that when I rebooted, the HD went dead, along with all my data.
    >
    > Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    > Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the data?
    > I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask anyway.
    > I can do some electronics if needed.
    >
    > TIA,
    > --Joel
    >
    >
    >
  6. "Andy Foster" <Firstname@FirstnameLastname.com> wrote in
    message
    news:JNyKa.957$%a.16634@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net
    > "Joel de Guzman" <djowel@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:bdecao$s205s$1@ID-58159.news.dfncis.de...
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880)
    >> that
    >> uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to
    >> turn it
    >> off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in the
    >> VS880
    >> kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found
    >> out
    >> that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The
    >> bad part is
    >> that when I rebooted, the HD went dead, along with all
    >> my data.
    >>
    >> Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    >> Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the
    >> data?
    >> I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask
    >> anyway.
    >> I can do some electronics if needed.
    >>

    >
    > If the disk has died, you *might* be able to resurrect it
    > for ong enough to extract the data if you chill it (in a
    > sealed bag) in the freezer


    That's a rather *COOL* idea. I'll go try it out.
    Thanks!
    --
    Joel
  7. "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk>
    wrote in message
    news:6gmlfvg7407o0jrgeeahcqru77tvrus8pk@4ax.com
    >> I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880)
    >> that
    >> uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to
    >> turn it
    >> off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in the
    >> VS880
    >> kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found
    >> out
    >> that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The
    >> bad part is that when I rebooted, the HD went dead,
    >> along with all my data.
    >>
    >> Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    >> Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the
    >> data?
    >> I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask
    >> anyway.
    >> I can do some electronics if needed.

    >
    >
    > A disk shouldn't die merely through being on for a week.
    > Many systems work their hardware MUCH harder than that!


    Yes, I'm aware of that.

    > Did you shut it down by just "pulling the plug"? That,
    > unfortunately, may be the cause of your problem.


    No, of course not.

    > I fully appreciate that this information isn't in the
    > slightest helpful. Sorry :-(


    Well, thanks anyway.

    --
    Joel
  8. "Alien Zord" <rem.alienzord@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message

    >> I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880)
    >> that
    >> uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to
    >> turn it off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in
    >> the VS880
    >> kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found
    >> out
    >> that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The
    >> bad part is that when I rebooted, the HD went dead,
    >> along with all my data.
    >>
    >> Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    >> Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the
    >> data?
    >> I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask
    >> anyway.
    >> I can do some electronics if needed.
    >>

    >
    > We use 2.5" notebook hard drives in industrial computers
    > that run non-stop for 5 years or more so the failure of
    > yours after just a week of continuous operation must be
    > just coincidental.


    Perhaps. However, typically, even if HDs in industrial computers
    are *on* non-stop for years, the software accesses to the disk
    happen only in bursts, not continuously. The HD has time to rest.
    Not in this case, I guess.

    --
    Joel
  9. Markell Moss

    Markell Moss Guest

    Is the machine under its warranty period? This type of thing shouldn't
    happen and would be covered by MFR warranty if it's still active....


    "etarhan" <engin_tarhan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:bdelqq$dq61@baran22.ttnet.net.tr...
    > I agree with other replies. Even a notebook HDD should not die because of

    a
    > week's power-on time. This is probably a coincidence, barring the
    > possibility that you inadvertently exposed it to a big shock in your hurry
    > to shut it down.
    >
    > It may be possible to revive it, depending on the actual problem. If the
    > control card is faulty, you may be able to find a replacement from the
    > junkbox of a computer service. This would mean good relations with one. If
    > the head-disk assembly is faulty, this is usually final. Of course, there
    > are a number of companies which salvage whatever is possible form a

    crashed
    > disk, but this may be painful financially.
    >
    > Good luck,
    > Engin
    >
    > "Joel de Guzman" <djowel@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:bdecao$s205s$1@ID-58159.news.dfncis.de...
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880) that
    > > uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to turn it
    > > off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in the VS880
    > > kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found out
    > > that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The bad part is
    > > that when I rebooted, the HD went dead, along with all my data.
    > >
    > > Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    > > Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the data?
    > > I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask anyway.
    > > I can do some electronics if needed.
    > >
    > > TIA,
    > > --Joel
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  10. "Markell Moss" <msmoss.nospam@shaw.ca> wrote in message
    news:ygZKa.331931$Vi5.8440527@news1.calgary.shaw.ca
    > Is the machine under its warranty period? This type of
    > thing shouldn't happen and would be covered by MFR
    > warranty if it's still active....


    No, not anymore. But really, it's the data I am concerned with,
    not the hardware.

    --
    Joel de Guzman
    joel at boost-consulting.com
    http://www.boost-consulting.com
    http://spirit.sf.net
  11. Markell Moss

    Markell Moss Guest

    > No, not anymore. But really, it's the data I am concerned with,
    > not the hardware.


    Then definately try the freezer trick. Be ready to extract the data as soon
    as the drive comes out of the freezer... you want to do it frozen, not
    fresh. (yuk yuk yuk!)

    Is that a coold boot or what? (hee-haw!)

    Seriously (if that's possible) the freezer trick works often. Search for a
    guide to bring you through it....
  12. JB Seattle

    JB Seattle Guest

    Roland's hard drives are usually driven by ancient software routines, it is
    really strange but then what isn't from Roland, just try reading the
    manuals.
    If you have USB2.0 or a friend that has it, you can get an external box to
    mount the drive and see if a PC can see it. You should also contact Roland
    support and see if they can help you--they did help us with an allegedly
    dead hard drive in a MC80. You may even be able to send it to them and see
    if they can recover the data for you.
    JB
    "Joel de Guzman" <djowel@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:bdecao$s205s$1@ID-58159.news.dfncis.de...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I have a digital-audio hard disk recorder (Roland VS880) that
    > uses an internal Laptop IDE hard drive. I once forgot to turn it
    > off for a week! Unfortunately, the (dumb?) OS in the VS880
    > kept on spinning the HD drive continuously. When I found out
    > that I didn't turn it off, I huriedly shut it down. The bad part is
    > that when I rebooted, the HD went dead, along with all my data.
    >
    > Has anyone encountered such a problem with Laptop HDs?
    > Is there any chance to resurrect the HD or extract the data?
    > I know this is a shot in the dark, but I wanted to ask anyway.
    > I can do some electronics if needed.
    >
    > TIA,
    > --Joel
    >
    >
    >
    >
  13. "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:lPFLa.17928$C83.1698844@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net

    > Roland's hard drives are usually driven by ancient
    > software routines, it is really strange but then what
    > isn't from Roland, just try reading the manuals.
    > If you have USB2.0 or a friend that has it, you can get
    > an external box to mount the drive and see if a PC can
    > see it. You should also contact Roland support and see
    > if they can help you--they did help us with an allegedly
    > dead hard drive in a MC80. You may even be able to send
    > it to them and see if they can recover the data for you.
    > JB


    This is the best advice, so far. I have USB2.0, but I'm not sure
    how that will help. The VS880 does not have any USB. Anyway,
    perhaps I could get a mounting kit to connect the 2.5 HDs into
    my desktop PC and try to read the data. I heard somewhere that
    the format is DOS compatible.

    If all else fails, I'll freeze the drive ;-)

    Thanks and Regards,
    --
    Joel
  14. JB Seattle

    JB Seattle Guest

    The drives usually are a DOS but a real old one--there are mounting kits you
    can get at computer outlets that let you mount practically any drive in it
    and then connect via USB2.0.
    But I would call Roland too.
    JB
    "Joel de Guzman" <djowel@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
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    > "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:lPFLa.17928$C83.1698844@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net
    >
    > > Roland's hard drives are usually driven by ancient
    > > software routines, it is really strange but then what
    > > isn't from Roland, just try reading the manuals.
    > > If you have USB2.0 or a friend that has it, you can get
    > > an external box to mount the drive and see if a PC can
    > > see it. You should also contact Roland support and see
    > > if they can help you--they did help us with an allegedly
    > > dead hard drive in a MC80. You may even be able to send
    > > it to them and see if they can recover the data for you.
    > > JB

    >
    > This is the best advice, so far. I have USB2.0, but I'm not sure
    > how that will help. The VS880 does not have any USB. Anyway,
    > perhaps I could get a mounting kit to connect the 2.5 HDs into
    > my desktop PC and try to read the data. I heard somewhere that
    > the format is DOS compatible.
    >
    > If all else fails, I'll freeze the drive ;-)
    >
    > Thanks and Regards,
    > --
    > Joel
    >
    >
    >
    >

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