MIDI Support in Pocket PC 2003 Premium???

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by MS, Jul 10, 2003.

  1. MS

    MS Guest

    I transferred a couple MIDI files to my new Pocket PC (IPAQ 2210--PPC2003
    Premium) using ActiveSync, then tried to open them on the PPC with Media
    Player 9. I was surprised that they wouldn't open, "unrecognized file type",
    etc.

    Since Pocket PC seems to be increasing support for audio, WMP9, etc., I'm
    surprised that it seems as if it can't handle MIDI. Is that correct, or did
    I do something wrong?

    MIDI actually takes much less processor strength than audio. MIDI was
    actually present (although not with a built-in softsynth, of course) back in
    the DOS days, x86 processors. I'm sure the current PPC processors are much
    stronger than the average processor for a DOS machine in 1985!

    Anyone know something about this? Is there any MIDI capability in PPC 2003?

    Is there a built-in softsynth, such as the "Microsoft GS Synthesizer" in
    Windows XP?

    Thank you.
  2. > MIDI actually takes much less processor strength than audio. MIDI was
    > actually present (although not with a built-in softsynth, of course) back

    in
    > the DOS days, x86 processors. I'm sure the current PPC processors are much
    > stronger than the average processor for a DOS machine in 1985!


    Other than for musicians, MIDI is an obsolete and dead technology, so I
    doubt you'll see support for it from Microsoft, or even third party
    commercial developers - if there was a consumer demand for it, we would have
    seen a player by now. Sorry to sound negative, but IMO, MIDI was completely
    eclipsed by MP3 audio because for most people, MIDI = music, and MP3 is real
    music. :)

    Jason Dunn, Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices
    Pocket PC Thoughts - http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com
    Daily news, views, rants and raves...
  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Here is a FREE MIDI player for PPC2002.

    http://www.vsoftsol.com/PocketMIDI/





    " MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:1057861579.387735@news-1.nethere.net...
    > I transferred a couple MIDI files to my new Pocket PC (IPAQ 2210--PPC2003
    > Premium) using ActiveSync, then tried to open them on the PPC with Media
    > Player 9. I was surprised that they wouldn't open, "unrecognized file

    type",
    > etc.
    >
    > Since Pocket PC seems to be increasing support for audio, WMP9, etc., I'm
    > surprised that it seems as if it can't handle MIDI. Is that correct, or

    did
    > I do something wrong?
    >
    > MIDI actually takes much less processor strength than audio. MIDI was
    > actually present (although not with a built-in softsynth, of course) back

    in
    > the DOS days, x86 processors. I'm sure the current PPC processors are much
    > stronger than the average processor for a DOS machine in 1985!
    >
    > Anyone know something about this? Is there any MIDI capability in PPC

    2003?
    >
    > Is there a built-in softsynth, such as the "Microsoft GS Synthesizer" in
    > Windows XP?
    >
    > Thank you.
    >
    >
  4. Tony Clark

    Tony Clark Guest

    Actually Jason MIDI was never intended to be an Audio format. MIDI is a
    controller specification that allows various devices to communicate with
    each other for the purposes of (mainly) playing musical instruments. MP3 and
    MIDI are apples and oranges. MP3 doesn't even begin to provide the
    capabilities that MIDI does with respect to instrument control and
    playback. MP3 on the other hand is great as a compact digital format for
    audio files.

    MIDI is alive and well, it's just not being used for playing your favorite
    Top 40 songs all that much. :) The problem with PPC is that I suspect that
    most of the devices out there today do not have built-in synthesizer
    hardware or support for emulation. There is emulation SW though I can't
    speak to how well it works or sounds. As you stated MP3 is the more common
    format for digital music playback.

    Cheers
    TC


    "Jason Dunn, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
    news:Oh8dTMzRDHA.2236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
    > > MIDI actually takes much less processor strength than audio. MIDI was
    > > actually present (although not with a built-in softsynth, of course)

    back
    > in
    > > the DOS days, x86 processors. I'm sure the current PPC processors are

    much
    > > stronger than the average processor for a DOS machine in 1985!

    >
    > Other than for musicians, MIDI is an obsolete and dead technology, so I
    > doubt you'll see support for it from Microsoft, or even third party
    > commercial developers - if there was a consumer demand for it, we would

    have
    > seen a player by now. Sorry to sound negative, but IMO, MIDI was

    completely
    > eclipsed by MP3 audio because for most people, MIDI = music, and MP3 is

    real
    > music. :)
    >
    > Jason Dunn, Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices
    > Pocket PC Thoughts - http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com
    > Daily news, views, rants and raves...
    >
    >
  5. William

    William Guest

    Here's another free MIDI player

    http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~k-akixx/mimidi/


    <pxwtfdlrbmAThotmail> wrote in message
    news:%23URLd20RDHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > Here is a FREE MIDI player for PPC2002.
    >
    > http://www.vsoftsol.com/PocketMIDI/
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > " MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:1057861579.387735@news-1.nethere.net...
    > > I transferred a couple MIDI files to my new Pocket PC (IPAQ

    2210--PPC2003
    > > Premium) using ActiveSync, then tried to open them on the PPC with Media
    > > Player 9. I was surprised that they wouldn't open, "unrecognized file

    > type",
    > > etc.
    > >
    > > Since Pocket PC seems to be increasing support for audio, WMP9, etc.,

    I'm
    > > surprised that it seems as if it can't handle MIDI. Is that correct, or

    > did
    > > I do something wrong?
    > >
    > > MIDI actually takes much less processor strength than audio. MIDI was
    > > actually present (although not with a built-in softsynth, of course)

    back
    > in
    > > the DOS days, x86 processors. I'm sure the current PPC processors are

    much
    > > stronger than the average processor for a DOS machine in 1985!
    > >
    > > Anyone know something about this? Is there any MIDI capability in PPC

    > 2003?
    > >
    > > Is there a built-in softsynth, such as the "Microsoft GS Synthesizer" in
    > > Windows XP?
    > >
    > > Thank you.
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  6. MS

    MS Guest

    Which of those versions on the site would work with PPC 2003?

    Are there any directions and info on this program in English?


    "William" <william__3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:u4$HhE3RDHA.1804@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
    > Here's another free MIDI player
    >
    > http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~k-akixx/mimidi/
    >
    >
    > <pxwtfdlrbmAThotmail> wrote in message
    > news:%23URLd20RDHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > > Here is a FREE MIDI player for PPC2002.
    > >
    > > http://www.vsoftsol.com/PocketMIDI/
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > " MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > > news:1057861579.387735@news-1.nethere.net...
    > > > I transferred a couple MIDI files to my new Pocket PC (IPAQ

    > 2210--PPC2003
    > > > Premium) using ActiveSync, then tried to open them on the PPC with

    Media
    > > > Player 9. I was surprised that they wouldn't open, "unrecognized file

    > > type",
    > > > etc.
    > > >
    > > > Since Pocket PC seems to be increasing support for audio, WMP9, etc.,

    > I'm
    > > > surprised that it seems as if it can't handle MIDI. Is that correct,

    or
    > > did
    > > > I do something wrong?
    > > >
    > > > MIDI actually takes much less processor strength than audio. MIDI was
    > > > actually present (although not with a built-in softsynth, of course)

    > back
    > > in
    > > > the DOS days, x86 processors. I'm sure the current PPC processors are

    > much
    > > > stronger than the average processor for a DOS machine in 1985!
    > > >
    > > > Anyone know something about this? Is there any MIDI capability in PPC

    > > 2003?
    > > >
    > > > Is there a built-in softsynth, such as the "Microsoft GS Synthesizer"

    in
    > > > Windows XP?
    > > >
    > > > Thank you.
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  7. MS

    MS Guest

    Besides MIDI playback, how about MIDI sequencing, etc.? Any good MIDI
    sequencers for Pocket PC?


    "William" <william__3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:u4$HhE3RDHA.1804@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
    > Here's another free MIDI player
    >
    > http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~k-akixx/mimidi/
    >
    >
    > <pxwtfdlrbmAThotmail> wrote in message
    > news:%23URLd20RDHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > > Here is a FREE MIDI player for PPC2002.
    > >
    > > http://www.vsoftsol.com/PocketMIDI/
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > " MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > > news:1057861579.387735@news-1.nethere.net...
    > > > I transferred a couple MIDI files to my new Pocket PC (IPAQ

    > 2210--PPC2003
    > > > Premium) using ActiveSync, then tried to open them on the PPC with

    Media
    > > > Player 9. I was surprised that they wouldn't open, "unrecognized file

    > > type",
    > > > etc.
    > > >
    > > > Since Pocket PC seems to be increasing support for audio, WMP9, etc.,

    > I'm
    > > > surprised that it seems as if it can't handle MIDI. Is that correct,

    or
    > > did
    > > > I do something wrong?
    > > >
    > > > MIDI actually takes much less processor strength than audio. MIDI was
    > > > actually present (although not with a built-in softsynth, of course)

    > back
    > > in
    > > > the DOS days, x86 processors. I'm sure the current PPC processors are

    > much
    > > > stronger than the average processor for a DOS machine in 1985!
    > > >
    > > > Anyone know something about this? Is there any MIDI capability in PPC

    > > 2003?
    > > >
    > > > Is there a built-in softsynth, such as the "Microsoft GS Synthesizer"

    in
    > > > Windows XP?
    > > >
    > > > Thank you.
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I use this one all the time http://www.vsoftsol.com/PocketMIDI/

    It needs about 5MEG of storage however you can copy it to your CF/SD memory.

    First install it into main memory, then copy the 5MEG folder into your CF/SD
    memory and configure the following file (timidity.cfg).



    ############################################################################
    ##
    #
    # Instrument configuration file for timidity
    #
    # Specify library directory: dir <directory>
    #
    # - Multiple library directories may be given. The ones given last will be
    # searched first so you can override them in later configuration files.
    # Extra configuration files and MIDI files will also be searched in these
    # directories.
    #
    # Set tone bank or drum set to modify: bank <number>
    # drumset <number>
    #
    # Map program number to patch map: <program number> <patch name>
    #
    # - If the patch can't be found in the library directories, TiMidity will
    # search again with ".pat" appended to the name.
    # Programs without a loaded patch will be silent, except that for
    # banks/drumsets >0, the corresponding patch in bank/drumset 0 will
    # be used (if one exists).
    #
    # Read another configuration file: source <file name>
    #

    ############################################################################
    ##
    # If you've moved things around since compiling, uncomment and edit this to
    # point to the library directory:
    #
    dir \Storage_Card\timidity
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--------------------------- NOTE:
    playlist \My_Documents\songs.txt
    #

    ############################################################################
    ##
    # This sets up the default patches in the TiMidity support package
    # "timidity-lib-0.1.tar.gz":
    dir \Storage_Card\newpats
    <<<<<<<<<<<-------------------------------NOTE:
    source \Storage_Card\newpats\default.cfg
    <<<<<<<<<<<-------------------------------NOTE:
    #bank 0
    # 0 acpiano.pat
    # 24 \windows\start menu\.pat

    ############################################################################
    ##
    # If you have Dustin McCartney's "wowpats" patches, you can source the
    # config file to set them up for TiMidity:
    #
    # (Note that later entries in config files always override earlier ones)
    #
    #source wowpats.cfg
    #

    ############################################################################
    ##
    # If you have Dustin McCartney's GS drum sets, you can source the config
    # file to set them up for TiMidity:
    #
    #source gsdrum.cfg
    #

    ############################################################################
    ##
    # If you have the GUS General MIDI patch set, uncomment the following lines
    # and edit the "dir" statement to point to your GUS patch directory.
    #
    #dir \Storage Card\eawpats
    #source gravis.cfg
    #source gsdrums.cfg
    #source gssfx.cfg
    #source xgmap2.cfg
    #source proteus2.cfg
    #source mt-32.cfg
    #source sndfont.cfg
    #####
    # you don't usually need sustain.cfg anymore, use the -m option instead
    #source sustain.cfg
    #

    ############################################################################
    ##
    # If you have the Midia patch set, you can source midia.cfg to set them up.
    # Note that midia.cfg sources gravis.cfg in turn, since the filenames are
    # almost identical.
    #
    #source midia.cfg
    #


    ############################################################################
    ##
    # End of configuration file













    " MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:1057945807.907841@news-1.nethere.net...
    > Which of those versions on the site would work with PPC 2003?
    >
    > Are there any directions and info on this program in English?
    >
    >
    > "William" <william__3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:u4$HhE3RDHA.1804@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
    > > Here's another free MIDI player
    > >
    > > http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~k-akixx/mimidi/
    > >
    > >
    > > <pxwtfdlrbmAThotmail> wrote in message
    > > news:%23URLd20RDHA.3236@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
    > > > Here is a FREE MIDI player for PPC2002.
    > > >
    > > > http://www.vsoftsol.com/PocketMIDI/
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > " MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:1057861579.387735@news-1.nethere.net...
    > > > > I transferred a couple MIDI files to my new Pocket PC (IPAQ

    > > 2210--PPC2003
    > > > > Premium) using ActiveSync, then tried to open them on the PPC with

    > Media
    > > > > Player 9. I was surprised that they wouldn't open, "unrecognized

    file
    > > > type",
    > > > > etc.
    > > > >
    > > > > Since Pocket PC seems to be increasing support for audio, WMP9,

    etc.,
    > > I'm
    > > > > surprised that it seems as if it can't handle MIDI. Is that correct,

    > or
    > > > did
    > > > > I do something wrong?
    > > > >
    > > > > MIDI actually takes much less processor strength than audio. MIDI

    was
    > > > > actually present (although not with a built-in softsynth, of course)

    > > back
    > > > in
    > > > > the DOS days, x86 processors. I'm sure the current PPC processors

    are
    > > much
    > > > > stronger than the average processor for a DOS machine in 1985!
    > > > >
    > > > > Anyone know something about this? Is there any MIDI capability in

    PPC
    > > > 2003?
    > > > >
    > > > > Is there a built-in softsynth, such as the "Microsoft GS

    Synthesizer"
    > in
    > > > > Windows XP?
    > > > >
    > > > > Thank you.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  9. darwin

    darwin New Member

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    midi is alive and well. A very practical and useful music format for musicians. midi has a completely different application to mp3 and the two cannot be compared. In a live music application the quality of midi is higher than mp3. Some synth's have quality studio recorded samples. However, If someone wants to hear a john mayer song as it sounds on the CD it would be impossible.
    A lot of people don't understand the difference between audio formats and midi.

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