MP3 to CD-R problem

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by G Ford, Aug 22, 2003.

  1. G Ford

    G Ford Guest

    Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R. Certain
    tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it almost
    sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
    apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
    they sound fine.

    I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
    because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
    everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no matter
    how many times I download them.

    Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually figure
    out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD (thus
    not having to waste them)?

    Any help is much appreciated.
  2. Norm

    Norm Guest

    Are you burning an "audio" CD or a "data" CD? If you are making audio CDs
    and using low bitrate mp3 files you may experience what you describe. The
    bit rate should ideally be 192 or higher for most music or the quality will
    suffer.

    Norm

    "G Ford" <A@a.c> wrote in message
    news:Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
    > Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R. Certain
    > tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it almost
    > sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
    > apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on

    MP3,
    > they sound fine.
    >
    > I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
    > because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
    > everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no

    matter
    > how many times I download them.
    >
    > Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually figure
    > out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD (thus
    > not having to waste them)?
    >
    > Any help is much appreciated.
    >
    >
    >
  3. I have a CD player that squeaks because the spindle is goofy. The
    squeal somehow manages to come out the speakers too, though. Could
    this be your problem?

    ulysses


    In article <Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, G Ford <A@a.c>
    wrote:

    > Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R. Certain
    > tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it almost
    > sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
    > apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
    > they sound fine.
    >
    > I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
    > because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
    > everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no matter
    > how many times I download them.
    >
    > Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually figure
    > out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD (thus
    > not having to waste them)?
    >
    > Any help is much appreciated.
    >
    >
    >
  4. fred-bloggs

    fred-bloggs Guest

    "G Ford" <A@a.c> wrote in news:Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com:

    > Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R.
    > Certain tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or
    > so (it almost sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing
    > is, it is only apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When
    > listening to them on MP3, they sound fine.
    >
    > I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless
    > CD-R's because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn
    > and everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem
    > no matter how many times I download them.
    >
    > Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually
    > figure out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it
    > to CD (thus not having to waste them)?


    There are 4 possibilities:
    1) bad rip
    2) damaged mp3
    3) bad decode mp3->wav
    4) bad burn

    1) download another version (different length/bit rate)
    2) to check for sync errors use Encspot, mp3utility or mp3trim.
    3) use WinAmp v2 with diskwriter output plugin or dbPowerAmp Music
    Converter. Check the wavs by listening and/or viewing in an audio editor
    (Goldwave).
    4) try different brand CDRs and burning at slower speed. While testing,
    you should be able to burn audio to a CDRW, it should play in your
    computer's cd drive.

    http://www.mpex.net/en/software/download/encspot.html
    http://www.geocities.com/mp3utility/
    http://www.logiccell.com/~mp3trim/
    http://classic.winamp.com/
    http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc.htm
    http://www.goldwave.com/


    --
    fred
  5. CQ

    CQ Guest

    In a previous post, G Ford said...

    > The thing is, it is only
    > apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
    > they sound fine.


    If this is the case it is more than likely happening during the burning
    process. Downloading new ones is not the answer, even though sometimes
    you get a good burn with the new ones, they most likely weren't the
    solution.

    > I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
    > because of this.


    It's possible your burner is using some sort of imperfect
    implementation of "burn proof" technology that is being called into use
    often and is putting a little break in the file which you might hear as a
    squeak.

    Try not stressing the computer enough to make the burner have to use the
    buffer under run protection and see if that doesn't eliminate the
    problem. You may have to disable the protection and just burn a bit
    slower to avoid it happening.
    --
    CQ
  6. anjy

    anjy Guest

    CQ <cappynospamcue@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.19b128f0667e2369989855@news.cis.dfn.de>...
    > In a previous post, G Ford said...
    >
    > > The thing is, it is only
    > > apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
    > > they sound fine.

    >
    > If this is the case it is more than likely happening during the burning
    > process. Downloading new ones is not the answer, even though sometimes
    > you get a good burn with the new ones, they most likely weren't the
    > solution.
    >
    > > I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
    > > because of this.

    >
    > It's possible your burner is using some sort of imperfect
    > implementation of "burn proof" technology that is being called into use
    > often and is putting a little break in the file which you might hear as a
    > squeak.
    >
    > Try not stressing the computer enough to make the burner have to use the
    > buffer under run protection and see if that doesn't eliminate the
    > problem. You may have to disable the protection and just burn a bit
    > slower to avoid it happening.



    When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
    work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
    files to CD. So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
    first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
    good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.You can try the
    following mp3 decoder:
    MB AudioConverter ( http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=68707 )
    BPS Audio Converter
  7. anjy

    anjy Guest

    "G Ford" <A@a.c> wrote in message news:<Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>...
    > Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R. Certain
    > tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it almost
    > sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
    > apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on MP3,
    > they sound fine.
    >
    > I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless CD-R's
    > because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
    > everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no matter
    > how many times I download them.
    >
    > Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually figure
    > out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD (thus
    > not having to waste them)?
    >
    > Any help is much appreciated.



    When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
    work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
    files to CD. So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
    first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
    good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.You can try the
    following mp3 decoder:
    MB AudioConverter ( http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=68707 )
    BPS Audio Converter
  8. CQ

    CQ Guest

    In a previous post, anjy said...

    > When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
    > work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
    > files to CD


    Oh, come on. If you are going to break the burning of a CD down into its
    component steps then list them all, not just the one that you "happen to
    know" a program to help with.

    > So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
    > first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
    > good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.


    Well, you don't need a good mp3 decoder *first* since every burning
    program on the market these days seems to have one as an integral part of
    the program. It has been years since I've seen a CD burning program that
    would not decode mp3 files transparently in the background during a burn.

    You are right in one respect, though. A good decode has a positive
    effect on the audio quality of the resulting CD. I have read many tests
    of various decoders being used in the major burning programs and, while
    some have produced more errors of a minor sort than others, *none* have
    produced any errors of the sort that would explain the problem the OP was
    having. I've never seen any independent testing of the one you are
    plugging indicating it is any better than any others. Care to direct us
    to that info?

    If the OP wants to spend $20 for the product you are touting, I suppose
    it may be of some use to somebody, somewhere. I can't imagine why anyone
    would pay for the program, myself. It does NOTHING that a large number
    of free utilities do and indeed, what it does do is usually handled quite
    well by portions of other programs. YMMV, of course.

    It isn't possible that the plugging of this $20 utility is the only
    reason for your posts here, is it?
    --
    CQ
  9. brian

    brian Guest

    I think you should try converting to the mp3's to a wave file and then
    burning the cd, with the same software and other software to eliminate your
    software as the problem. If it still has problems, then it would seem you
    have a hardware issue.

    FYI there are many freeware utilities that will convert mp3 to wave just hop
    on a search endinge and pick one.

    good luck.

    "anjy" <caveman190029@yahoo.com.cn> wrote in message
    news:a5bb1bca.0308260603.6e7680ad@posting.google.com...
    > "G Ford" <A@a.c> wrote in message

    news:<Uep1b.719$lq.539@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>...
    > > Hello. I'm having a problem when burning certain MP3s to a CD-R.

    Certain
    > > tracks have an annoying squeaking sound every few seconds or so (it

    almost
    > > sounds like the song is warped or something). The thing is, it is only
    > > apparent after they have burned to the CD-R. When listening to them on

    MP3,
    > > they sound fine.
    > >
    > > I can't figure out what is causing this and I have wasted countless

    CD-R's
    > > because of this. Usually I download the song again and re-burn and
    > > everything is OK. However, some tracks seem to have this problem no

    matter
    > > how many times I download them.
    > >
    > > Does anybody know what the problem is? Is there a way to actually

    figure
    > > out which track may experience this problem BEFORE burning it to CD

    (thus
    > > not having to waste them)?
    > >
    > > Any help is much appreciated.

    >
    >
    > When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
    > work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
    > files to CD. So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
    > first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
    > good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.You can try the
    > following mp3 decoder:
    > MB AudioConverter ( http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=68707 )
    > BPS Audio Converter
  10. "CQ" <cappynospamcue@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.19b536d37c6fe6e5989864@news.cis.dfn.de...
    > In a previous post, anjy said...
    >
    > > When you burn some mp3s to CD,there are 2 steps to finish that
    > > work.The first is decode mp3 to wav files, the second is burn the wav
    > > files to CD

    >
    > Oh, come on. If you are going to break the burning of a CD down into its
    > component steps then list them all, not just the one that you "happen to
    > know" a program to help with.


    Actually, his advice is good. If you make a .wav file, then you can listen
    to it and see if you have a good decode.

    >
    > > So the problem is that you must have a good mp3 decoder
    > > first.If the burn program can not decode mp3 files to wav files with
    > > good sound, and you will not get a good Audio CD.

    >
    > Well, you don't need a good mp3 decoder *first* since every burning
    > program on the market these days seems to have one as an integral part of
    > the program. It has been years since I've seen a CD burning program that
    > would not decode mp3 files transparently in the background during a burn.


    Actually the good "decoder" is usually a function of the operating system
    and the codecs installed, although in some cases, such as Winamp, this isn't
    necessarily true. Most pieces of software use whatever is installed. MP3
    decoding in kind of a done deal (with a few exceptions of course), it's the
    encoding that gets tricky. That's where the biggest difference in quality
    can be found. Of course as you said, the chances of this being the cause of
    the OP is pretty slim.

    > It isn't possible that the plugging of this $20 utility is the only
    > reason for your posts here, is it?


    Whoa trigger! Just because he's recommending a piece of software doesn't
    mean he's trying to sell it to the guy... somebody hasn't had their Wheaties
    today! :)
  11. CQ

    CQ Guest

    In a previous post, Romeo Rondeau said...

    > Actually, his advice is good. If you make a .wav file, then you can listen
    > to it and see if you have a good decode.


    He didn't give advice. He claimed burning a CD had two steps. Making a
    wave and finishing the CD. Is that how you would break it down? Not if
    you know what you are talking about, no.

    > Actually the good "decoder" is usually a function of the operating system
    > and the codecs installed, although in some cases, such as Winamp, this isn't
    > necessarily true.


    He's the one saying you need a good decoder program. And then he is
    linking you to one you can conveniently purchase. You are in such a
    hurry to correct me for some reason that you are replying to the wrong
    place. He's claiming the decoder he is linking to is the "good" one.

    As for the other, you are wrong or oversimplifying. Many burning
    programs have their own internal decoders, not just Winamp. You saying
    all these tests are of the same operating system function?

    http://mp3decoders.mp3-tech.org/overall.html

    > Whoa trigger! Just because he's recommending a piece of software doesn't
    > mean he's trying to sell it to the guy... somebody hasn't had their Wheaties
    > today! :)


    Right. I took the time to look up his posting history, did you? Two
    posts. Plugging the same program. Identical posts. Cut and pasted
    blurbs for the program he is plugging. If you like to read ads or wade
    through spam in newsgroups then good for you. I don't. If I see someone
    using the newsgroups I frequent to spam or advertise and I'm not busy at
    the time, I will call them on it.

    In the meantime you can eat all the Wheaties you want and crap out fully
    formed fiber filled spam-cakes for all I care. Me, I think I'll go have
    a steak.

    --
    CQ
    Now Playing: "Pigmeat" - Ry Cooder
    Sig file format shamelessly stolen from LocoJones

  12. >
    > He didn't give advice. He claimed burning a CD had two steps. Making a
    > wave and finishing the CD. Is that how you would break it down? Not if
    > you know what you are talking about, no.


    I'd break it down that same way. Make .wav files from the mp3's, then burn
    from there. I was pointing out that the advantage to burning them from
    ..wav's is you can hear the raw sound that will end up on the CD. And
    actually I do know what I'm talking about. So there! :)


    > He's the one saying you need a good decoder program. And then he is
    > linking you to one you can conveniently purchase. You are in such a
    > hurry to correct me for some reason that you are replying to the wrong
    > place. He's claiming the decoder he is linking to is the "good" one.


    I was actually adding to the conversation. Thanks for playing... and jumping
    on me.


    >
    > As for the other, you are wrong or oversimplifying. Many burning
    > programs have their own internal decoders, not just Winamp. You saying
    > all these tests are of the same operating system function?


    I used Winamp as an example, I didn't say it was the only one. RTFP.


    >
    > http://mp3decoders.mp3-tech.org/overall.html
    >
    > > Whoa trigger! Just because he's recommending a piece of software doesn't
    > > mean he's trying to sell it to the guy... somebody hasn't had their

    Wheaties
    > > today! :)

    >
    > Right. I took the time to look up his posting history, did you? Two
    > posts. Plugging the same program. Identical posts. Cut and pasted
    > blurbs for the program he is plugging. If you like to read ads or wade
    > through spam in newsgroups then good for you. I don't. If I see someone
    > using the newsgroups I frequent to spam or advertise and I'm not busy at
    > the time, I will call them on it.


    I wouldn't call a couple of posts spam. Shit, I've mentioned Nuendo, Sound
    Forge and CD Archetect more than twice each, does that mean I'm spamming the
    group? If he was continually doing it, I would expect someone to say
    something about it. Two posts? Damn. Were the links relevant to his posts? I
    know a guy that has a testing website that posts his link everytime someone
    says "digital audio, bit depth, or sample rate", he doesn't get jumped on
    nearly as bad as this. Give the guy a friggin' break, if he becomes a
    problem then jump his ass.

    >
    > In the meantime you can eat all the Wheaties you want and crap out fully
    > formed fiber filled spam-cakes for all I care. Me, I think I'll go have
    > a steak.


    Well, if you aren't gonna eat your Wheaties, at least switch to decaf and
    calm the fuck down. It's only USENET for chrissake.

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