Multi Output Soundcards? Is this possible?

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by takitimu, Sep 2, 2003.

  1. takitimu

    takitimu Guest

    I recently did a 7 module (instrument) transcription on my trusty Tabledit
    music software and exported it as a midi.......I really thought I did a
    great job,it sounded excellent?...My thought behind this was that I hope to
    do a few small public appearances later this year ...and with my guitar and
    a "foot- tap board" could I fill in some extra effect using a midi that I
    could control (start/stop) on stage via a notepad...

    Not being an expert on midis,I also noted that using certain midi programs
    like Wingroove I could basicly set the volume etc of each track?

    Being pleased with the result .... it then occurred to me that if I could
    export my midi via a multi output soundcard would this mean I could feed
    individual tracks to separate channels on a powered- mixer controled by a
    sound engineer .....who could change the mix depending on sound at a certain
    time or to suit the venue.....

    I had heard and read of high end expensive sound cards with multi inputs and
    outputs but get lost in the technology and do not understand what they
    really are capable of.....

    Based on the above can anybody offer any suggestions,is it achievable, or am
    I thinking "pie in the sky" stuff......
    Any help comment etc will be very gratefully received...
    Ron NZ.....
  2. >I recently did a 7 module (instrument) transcription on my trusty Tabledit
    >music software and exported it as a midi.......I really thought I did a
    >great job,it sounded excellent?...My thought behind this was that I hope to
    >do a few small public appearances later this year ...and with my guitar and
    >a "foot- tap board" could I fill in some extra effect using a midi that I
    >could control (start/stop) on stage via a notepad...
    >
    >Not being an expert on midis,I also noted that using certain midi programs
    >like Wingroove I could basicly set the volume etc of each track?
    >
    >Being pleased with the result .... it then occurred to me that if I could
    >export my midi via a multi output soundcard would this mean I could feed
    >individual tracks to separate channels on a powered- mixer controled by a
    >sound engineer .....who could change the mix depending on sound at a certain
    >time or to suit the venue.....
    >
    >I had heard and read of high end expensive sound cards with multi inputs and
    >outputs but get lost in the technology and do not understand what they
    >really are capable of.....
    >
    >Based on the above can anybody offer any suggestions,is it achievable, or am
    >I thinking "pie in the sky" stuff......
    >Any help comment etc will be very gratefully received...


    Using a portable computer as the source? We...ll. maybe. :)

    The way to do this would be to render each midi track as an audio
    track in a audio/midi sequencer. Given a multi-output soundcard, each
    track could be sent to a different output.

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  3. Note Jam

    Note Jam Guest

    ..

    Not being an expert on midis,I also noted that using certain midi programs
    like Wingroove I could basicly set the volume etc of each track?

    >>>>Yes, depends on the program, but usually you can set volume, pan, chorus,

    reverb, and maybe a few other items per track.

    Being pleased with the result .... it then occurred to me that if I could
    export my midi via a multi output soundcard would this mean I could feed
    individual tracks to separate channels on a powered- mixer controled by a
    sound engineer .....who could change the mix depending on sound at a certain
    time or to suit the venue.....

    >>>Not easily, but it could be done a track or two tracks at a time. You only

    have stereo output on most cards.

    So you would need a midi interface that had smpte sync on it, and lay out a
    sync track on your tape deck.

    Then with the sync track playing to your midi interface, dump out other midi
    tracks to the other tape tracks.

    Probably most recording studios have midi/computer and smpte sync now days, so
    really all you most likely need to do is take your midi file to them, if your
    going to use their instrument voices. If you want to use yours, then take your
    entire system with you, and have them record off of it.
    (you will then need smpte midi interface, not just a midi interface, also best
    if you find a recording studio that used the same midi sequencer and interface
    as you, so they will know how to set up your system for recording from.)

    I had heard and read of high end expensive sound cards with multi inputs and
    outputs but get lost in the technology and do not understand what they
    really are capable of.....

    >>>> to see whats available, go to www.google.com, and do a search on sound

    cards.

    Based on the above can anybody offer any suggestions,is it achievable, or am
    I thinking "pie in the sky" stuff......
    Any help comment etc will be very gratefully received...

    >>>It certainly is achivable, and being done by lots of musicians/recording

    studios. You can do much of it your self, and not spend to big a fortune on
    it.

    The cheap way would be to get a 8 track tape deck, and a midi smpte interface,
    and dump out a track or two a time to respective inputs on the tape deck,
    depending on its abilitys.

    A step up is to get a digital disk recorder, again about 8 track or more.

    But why not save a lot of money, and just take your computer system with smpte
    interface to a recording studio, and have them dump out the tracks and sync
    them up?

    You can have more than one sound card in your computer, and dump out 4 midi
    tracks at a time.
    You need sound cards that do not use the same drivers to do this.

    Never heard of anyone doing more than two cards at a time. Is there anyone out
    there that has 3 or more cards working in one computer?

    I am not current on sound cards available, to say if any can do more than
    that at a time......
  4. Note Jam

    Note Jam Guest

    One other thing you need to be aware of is that most if not all, of the 8 and
    more track disk or tape recorders, only allow input of up to 4 seperate tracks
    at a time, so even if you have one of the 8 output sound cards, your still
    stuck with having to sync and do it in more than one pass.

    Now if there is a 8 or more input recorder and it allows recording 8 or more
    seperate tracks at a time, then this is something possible to do.

    How ever, you probably are not wanting to go buy one, plus the 8 or 10 output
    sound card, and most recording studios are not going to be equipped to record 8
    or 10 tracks at a time each to a seperate track.
    So you might as well go with a midi smpte interface, and your choice of multi
    track recoder, either disk or tape., or just go to a recording studio to do the
    track dumping.from your smpte midi interface and sound card.
  5. On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:50:45 +1200, "takitimu" <murihikukid@e3.net.nz>
    wrote:

    >I recently did a 7 module (instrument) transcription on my trusty Tabledit
    >music software and exported it as a midi.......I really thought I did a
    >great job,it sounded excellent?...My thought behind this was that I hope to
    >do a few small public appearances later this year ...and with my guitar and
    >a "foot- tap board" could I fill in some extra effect using a midi that I
    >could control (start/stop) on stage via a notepad...
    >
    >Not being an expert on midis,I also noted that using certain midi programs
    >like Wingroove I could basicly set the volume etc of each track?
    >
    >Being pleased with the result .... it then occurred to me that if I could
    >export my midi via a multi output soundcard would this mean I could feed
    >individual tracks to separate channels on a powered- mixer controled by a
    >sound engineer .....who could change the mix depending on sound at a certain
    >time or to suit the venue.....
    >
    >I had heard and read of high end expensive sound cards with multi inputs and
    >outputs but get lost in the technology and do not understand what they
    >really are capable of.....


    If you want to run it off external controls, off separate
    synths/sounds, you either need a synth with multiple outputs or
    several separate synths.

    If you need true indepedent sound outputs fed to different speakers
    in a mix, rather than just a stereo stage mix, again, you need devices
    which have separate physical outputs.

    If you can accept control of the mix via a MIDI sequencer program,
    then you can easily rebalance the mix just by tweaking virtual
    controls on a screen.

    >Based on the above can anybody offer any suggestions,is it achievable, or am
    >I thinking "pie in the sky" stuff......
    >Any help comment etc will be very gratefully received...
    >Ron NZ.....


    Use a multiple output audio sound card, and either use software
    synths or render your MIDI synth tracks as audio. Many such cards
    offer MIDI control for levels during playback, and you can direct the
    outputs as you wish within your sequencer.


    As far as MIDI soundcards with independent outputs, Yamaha's
    SW1000XG plus DS2416 will do that. But it is a bit pricey, and you
    have to like Yamaha's sound. The SW1000XG uses the same synth as the
    MU100, including one PLG hardware expansion synth slot. Of course,
    the MU100 itself has 8 outputs (main stereo plus 6 independents), and
    the SW uses those -- but only has connections for those outputs to the
    DS2416 or the Kensington Plugstation expansion (it is proprietary
    serial digital output).



    Software synths and audio tracks are easily assigned to any of
    several audio ports in a system. That is probably the easiest entry
    level way to go, if you need true output on more than a stereo mix.

    If you only need a stereo mix, then you can play around with a mix
    of hardware synths, software, and audio tracks using many sequencer
    apps, with the option to control the mix via MIDI (you'll need to find
    a MIDI control surface) or simply using the on-screen interface.

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