musicians friends new gig bags/ Carvin gig bags (cables)

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by Twang, Aug 17, 2003.

  1. Twang

    Twang Guest

    I think they are new, anyway.

    they're 30.00 and look a lot like the fender tweed gig bags.

    I bought one.
    The only other gig bag I own was purchased from Carvin, so this will mostly
    be a comparison between the two.

    They come in several colors... I vacillated between tweed, red and green and
    chose red.
    Looks great. It's red with some black in it, sort of dotted like. but mostly
    red.
    Cordura or canvas outer covering, I'm not sure. But very strong.

    Black trim straps and handle.

    The carvin has more padding, but your guitar slips around inside it a lot
    more. The MF bag is tighter. really fits my Tele perfectly, and I'm sure
    would fit Strats, etc., the same. probably even Pauls, SG's.

    The Carvin interior is soft like a baby blanket.. the MF bag is more like
    silk or satin.. a polished material, more tightly woven.
    Neither would cause any problems at all.

    The Carvin bag has one large pouch.
    The MF bag has a pouch the same size, but not quite as deep, with two more
    zippered pouches on top of it.
    I like that a lot.
    You could get a ream of sheet music in the large pouch, and a couple of
    cables, plus, in the second one, and picks strings capos etc in the
    smallest.
    Handy.

    All the seams and everything sewn is very nice on both bags.

    The Carvins extra padding is nice.. but so is the MF's tight fit.
    For me, it's a toss up. You could get either, in this regard, and be happy.
    The MF's pouches and color are extras... so I'm glad I took a chance on it.

    Locally bags this good would cost ten dollars, at the very least, more.
    So this was a good deal.

    When ordering the man said MF has cables on special.
    I said.. plastic ends or metal.. he said metal, ten foot, 2.99 each.
    I bought two.

    they have gold tips.
    they have the kind of form fitted molded ends. not the hard plastic, but the
    rubbery type coverings which extend down the cable.
    Misrepresented, but no big deal at all.
    They are black with silver markings.. look very sharp.
    The outer covering is braided cloth.

    Against my Lifelines cable, via headphones.. the AXL cables from MF seem to
    be giving me more signal.
    Perhaps my old LIfeline cable has been stepped on too many times.. but my
    other cheap 'drag around the house for practice' cable also sounds like less
    signal than these AXL cables.

    You cannot go wrong so far as I can tell for ten foot lifetime warranty
    cables like these for 2.99.
    It's a steal.

    So.. the MF gig bag is excellent. and worth the money easily, shipping
    included.
    And the AXL cables are also worth grabbing.

    Twang!
  2. Ed

    Ed Guest

    Why do people with cars bother with gig bags? From what I've seen, the only
    possible use for them is when you're riding your bicycle to a street corner
    so you can panhandle and play guitar.
  3. gozy

    gozy Guest


    >
    > The carvin has more padding, but your guitar slips around inside it a lot
    > more.


    See, that's the problem. I'd ordered a Carvin but sent it back for that
    reason. The gig bag should be snug but well padded. I like TKL the best
    but I also have a double gig bag from Moordian that I use a lot.

    With gig bags, you get what you pay for.
  4. jimmyd

    jimmyd Guest

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:12:37 +0900, "Ed" <gwbush@whitehouse.gov>
    wrote:

    >Why do people with cars bother with gig bags? From what I've seen, the only
    >possible use for them is when you're riding your bicycle to a street corner
    >so you can panhandle and play guitar.


    I don't understand the gig bag thing either. I'm never putting any of
    my 6 string razors in something that offers minimal to zero
    protection. It's hard cases and the weight period.

    Jim
  5. Richard

    Richard Guest

    > "Ed" <gwbush@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
    >
    > >Why do people with cars bother with gig bags?


    Because, unlike a case, they leave your two hands free to carry in
    the rest of your stuff. One trip in, one trip out.

    If you're doing a big load-in/load-out, then of course they don't buy
    you anything.
  6. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    "jimmyd" <jjdolcqa@enter.net> wrote in message
    news:f91vjvot1ksdsndddt5kp5s8bjh8lfv6ds@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:12:37 +0900, "Ed" <gwbush@whitehouse.gov>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Why do people with cars bother with gig bags? From what I've seen, the

    only
    > >possible use for them is when you're riding your bicycle to a street

    corner
    > >so you can panhandle and play guitar.

    >
    > I don't understand the gig bag thing either. I'm never putting any of
    > my 6 string razors in something that offers minimal to zero
    > protection. It's hard cases and the weight period.


    Good gig bags offer plenty of protection, especially for solid body guitars.
    As long as I know I'm carrying/transporting them myself, I prefer them. They
    take up less space in the car, they take up less space at the gig ( like
    most of us, my gigs are at small bars and stuff. There is no "backstage" or
    anyplace to stash cases.) Since most gigbags are backpack-able, you can
    carry a guitar, a combo amp and a dufflebag full of of odds and ends all in
    one trip, making for a quicker load in and load out. This of course also
    relates to rehearsal or just going over a pals house to pick and grin. Gimme
    a strat, a gig bag with a couple pockets for odds and ends, and I'm good to
    go.

    Good acoustic guitars I suppose might be better of in a hard case.

    Hard cases have their place, of course, and if I had a staff to do the load
    in/set-up/break-down/load out for me, I'd certainly use hard cases. But if I
    was playing at that level, I probably wouldn't trust the hard cases most
    guitars come with, and would have flight cases instead, since the guitars
    probably wouldn't be going in my car and then back to my house, but instead
    would be going into the back of some truck.

    There are cheap gig bags out there, and they should be avoided, of course.
    But good ones are incredibly convenient, and offer plenty of protection for
    most players and situations.

    Dan
  7. "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net> wrote in message
    news:diM%a.630$Ck2.531@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
    >
    > Good gig bags offer plenty of protection, especially for solid

    body guitars.
    > As long as I know I'm carrying/transporting them myself, I

    prefer them. They
    > take up less space in the car, they take up less space at the

    gig ( like
    > most of us, my gigs are at small bars and stuff. There is no

    "backstage" or
    > anyplace to stash cases.)


    The last sentence may offer the most compelling reason. Gig
    bags can be doubled over and stashed almost anywhere, such as
    behind your amp. I've even used mine as a pad to isolate my amp
    from an acoutically live wooden floor. Plus, a bag with
    multiple zippered pouches can hold a lot more than many cases
    can. And padding helps a lot unless you're careless. My new
    martin goes everywhere in a bag, including 120MPH on the back of
    my motorcycle. No worries. My acoustic guitar has been to
    Hawaii 3 times in a padded bag with no injuries. Knock on
    spruce.
  8. "David and/or Rena Covell" <covell@jps.net> wrote in message
    news:NQM%a.6584$Nf3.4690@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...

    >I've even used mine as a pad to isolate my amp
    > from an acoutically live wooden floor.


    LOL... That's my absolute favorite sound! I love the way my amp sounds when
    it's bouncing off a hard wood floor live. BUT, that's only when the rest of
    the room is carpeted or has some sort of sound absorption.

    Jeff
  9. Sheldon

    Sheldon Guest

    I like gig bags, but they have their place. They make it easier to carry
    your guitar, but only offer enough protection to protect it against minor
    bumps and bruises. It's great if you don't have a car, and can be folded up
    when not being used.

    A normal hard case often weighs as much or more than the guitar, takes up
    more space then the guitar, but offers a great deal of protection. I think
    it just depends on the value of the instrument, and where you are going with
    it. MF's prices are pretty good, so you might want one of each.

    I have a gig bag for my old acoustic and my MIM P-Bass. I use hard cases
    for my other guitars, the ones I'd be crying over if something happened to
    them. BTW, I tend to buy ratty looking cases, assuming a crook with think
    there's a ratty old guitar in there.


    "Ed" <gwbush@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
    news:bhnrjh$8v3$1@cobalt01.janis.or.jp...
    > Why do people with cars bother with gig bags? From what I've seen, the

    only
    > possible use for them is when you're riding your bicycle to a street

    corner
    > so you can panhandle and play guitar.
    >
  10. Road Warrior

    Road Warrior Guest

    "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.19a9530ffba406359897db@news.verizon.net...
    > > "Ed" <gwbush@whitehouse.gov> wrote:


    > > >Why do people with cars bother with gig bags?


    > Because, unlike a case, they leave your two hands free to carry in
    > the rest of your stuff. One trip in, one trip out.


    That's true, but I'd hate to think I would put anything valuable in a gig
    bag. And by the time you spend the big bucks on a REAL nice one, you may as
    well use regular cases. Different strokes and stuff... One of the main
    reasons is I like to be able to stack the guitars on my back seat, then be
    able to put my rack on top of them. Ya can't stick something on top of a gig
    bag... I'm always afraid I'll damage the neck or something. Don't trust
    them.

    Jeff
  11. Nobody

    Nobody Guest

    David and/or Rena Covell <covell@jps.net> wrote in article <NQM%a.6584$Nf3.4690@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

    >My new martin goes everywhere in a bag, including 120MPH on the back of my motorcycle.


    Uh....why are you going that damn fast, man?

    You might say "..well, I've lived a good life and am through with any more chemo...if I go that way it won't be so bad".

    I would understand somewhat..but the thing is that you may live from an accident and be *all* fucked up staring at the ceiling.

    I can't tell you what to do, but it sure seems careless is all.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  12. gozy

    gozy Guest


    >
    > I don't understand the gig bag thing either. I'm never putting any of
    > my 6 string razors in something that offers minimal to zero
    > protection. It's hard cases and the weight period.
    >



    Depends on the gig. If it's local at a small venue and we're loading in/out
    ourselves, the gig bag makes more sense to me. If you're touring and
    instruments will be in the cargo area of the bus or otherwise out of your
    sight or control, I use cases.
  13. John Misrahi

    John Misrahi Guest


    >
    >I would understand somewhat..but the thing is that you may live from an

    accident and be *all* fucked up staring at the ceiling.
    >

    I'd be more concerned about the other people he will probably hit and kill.

    john
  14. "Jeff Liberatore" <jliberat@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:VZM%a.15830$IQ2.350@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
    >
    > "David and/or Rena Covell" <covell@jps.net> wrote in message
    > news:NQM%a.6584$Nf3.4690@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >
    > >I've even used mine as a pad to isolate my amp
    > > from an acoutically live wooden floor.

    >
    > LOL... That's my absolute favorite sound! I love the way my

    amp sounds when
    > it's bouncing off a hard wood floor live. BUT, that's only

    when the rest of
    > the room is carpeted or has some sort of sound absorption.


    I miscommunicated; I like the hard-floor reflections too. What
    I meant was that I've used a gig bag as a pad beneath my amp,
    mechanically decoupling it from an overly-resonant wood floor.
    I like bouncy surfaces, but I hate things that buzz or rumble
    when I hit certain notes. Distracts me too much. I have the
    same peeve about combo cabinets and baffles that honk, squeek or
    buzz on certain notes. I'm lucky that my two tweed amps don't
    have this problem. My Victoria 3x10 has the same dimensions as
    the 4x10 Bassman, and fortunately there's no resonant points
    where the baffle goes crazy. I suspect that if I had the Vicky
    Bassman's extra 10 watts and extra speaker, my Les Paul's neck
    pickup would shake things loose in there. I like resonance when
    it's the result of acoustic coupling between speakers and
    guitar, or when it's the result of band-pass positive feedback
    in the circuit, but I hate it with a passion when it's caused by
    mechanical looseness in the cab and baffle.
  15. David

    David Guest

    > >My new martin goes everywhere in a bag, including 120MPH on the back of
    my motorcycle.
    >
    > Uh....why are you going that damn fast, man?


    Might have been late for a big gig


    > You might say "..well, I've lived a good life and am through with any more

    chemo...if I go that way it won't be so bad".
    >
    > I would understand somewhat..but the thing is that you may live from an

    accident and be *all* fucked up staring at the ceiling.
    >
    > I can't tell you what to do, but it sure seems careless is all.
    >
    > --
    > Jason
    > http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
    >
  16. "John Misrahi" <lmoukhin@sprint.ca> wrote in message
    news:nMO%a.2438$Jf3.30613@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
    >
    >
    > >
    > >I would understand somewhat..but the thing is that you may

    live from an
    > accident and be *all* fucked up staring at the ceiling.
    > >

    > I'd be more concerned about the other people he will probably

    hit and kill.

    Hit and kill? Not likely. Firstly, I'm on a motorcycle; if I
    have a collision, I'm the one who's going to get the worst of
    it, not the passengers in the car or truck that hits me.
    Secondly, I do my 120MPH bursts when passing slow trucks on
    backroads and highways with good visibility, and I pick the time
    and place to do it. A collision is very unlikely likely to
    occur. Thirdly, I have a perfect safety record, with over
    80,000 miles on motorcycles without a single accident,
    Obviously I'm a defensive driver, and I know when to go fast and
    when not to. If I'm in a collision, it's not likely to be my
    fault, nor to occur during one of my 120MPH passing-lane blasts:
    it'll probably be some oblivious driver on the freeway who cuts
    me off and runs me into a guardrail or a tree without ever
    seeing me. They'll walk away with a traffic ticket, and I'll go
    to the hospital or the morgue. If you want to feel sorry for
    the guilty party, go right ahead.
  17. jimmyd

    jimmyd Guest

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:28:25 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net>
    wrote:
    >>
    >> I don't understand the gig bag thing either. I'm never putting any of
    >> my 6 string razors in something that offers minimal to zero
    >> protection. It's hard cases and the weight period.

    >
    >Good gig bags offer plenty of protection, especially for solid body guitars.

    You make some really good points no doubt. The thing that bothers me
    the most is either an inadvertant blow to the neck or god forbid
    someone stepping on the neck while the instrument is in the gig bag,
    but I'm probably excessively worriesome on this point.

    >As long as I know I'm carrying/transporting them myself, I prefer them. They
    >take up less space in the car, they take up less space at the gig ( like
    >most of us, my gigs are at small bars and stuff. There is no "backstage" or
    >anyplace to stash cases.)

    This is so true! Last nite I finished setting up at the local bar,
    placed the strat on the stand and proceeded to look for some place to
    stash the case. There wasn't anything handy and I ended carting it
    off to some closet way at the other end of the freakin' establishment.

    Jim
  18. Ed

    Ed Guest

    "Sheldon" <sheldon@REMOVEsopris.net> wrote in message
    news:w_M%a.168994$uu5.27308@sccrnsc04...
    > I like gig bags, but they have their place. They make it easier to carry
    > your guitar, but only offer enough protection to protect it against minor
    > bumps and bruises. It's great if you don't have a car, and can be folded

    up
    > when not being used.


    I guess they do have their place. In fact, my fernandes is sitting up in the
    attic nicely protected by it's gig bag even as I type. And as you point out,
    it's the value of the guitar that will make the decision to lug around a
    guitar in a real case, rather than any protection a gig bag might provide.
    Taken from this perspective, my fernandes doesn't need a gig bag, my fender
    does, and my warmoth ain't leaving the house unless the hard case is locked.
  19. I occasionally use a gig bag, but for my Hamers I have two very high end
    Levy's bags. These were $120 new ($199 list?), but I picked them up on
    super duper clearance at $25 each. I think one is a snow leopard print and
    the other is cheetah or something similar. Chicks dig 'em. ;-)

    But most of the time I just use the hard cases. I'm usually more
    comfortable that way.




    "Twang" <twang49@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:z2E%a.26629$vo2.2370@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    >
    > I think they are new, anyway.
    >
    > they're 30.00 and look a lot like the fender tweed gig bags.
    >
    > I bought one.
    > The only other gig bag I own was purchased from Carvin, so this will

    mostly
    > be a comparison between the two.
    >
    > They come in several colors... I vacillated between tweed, red and green

    and
    > chose red.
    > Looks great. It's red with some black in it, sort of dotted like. but

    mostly
    > red.
    > Cordura or canvas outer covering, I'm not sure. But very strong.
    >
    > Black trim straps and handle.
    >
    > The carvin has more padding, but your guitar slips around inside it a lot
    > more. The MF bag is tighter. really fits my Tele perfectly, and I'm sure
    > would fit Strats, etc., the same. probably even Pauls, SG's.
    >
    > The Carvin interior is soft like a baby blanket.. the MF bag is more like
    > silk or satin.. a polished material, more tightly woven.
    > Neither would cause any problems at all.
    >
    > The Carvin bag has one large pouch.
    > The MF bag has a pouch the same size, but not quite as deep, with two more
    > zippered pouches on top of it.
    > I like that a lot.
    > You could get a ream of sheet music in the large pouch, and a couple of
    > cables, plus, in the second one, and picks strings capos etc in the
    > smallest.
    > Handy.
    >
    > All the seams and everything sewn is very nice on both bags.
    >
    > The Carvins extra padding is nice.. but so is the MF's tight fit.
    > For me, it's a toss up. You could get either, in this regard, and be

    happy.
    > The MF's pouches and color are extras... so I'm glad I took a chance on

    it.
    >
    > Locally bags this good would cost ten dollars, at the very least, more.
    > So this was a good deal.
    >
    > When ordering the man said MF has cables on special.
    > I said.. plastic ends or metal.. he said metal, ten foot, 2.99 each.
    > I bought two.
    >
    > they have gold tips.
    > they have the kind of form fitted molded ends. not the hard plastic, but

    the
    > rubbery type coverings which extend down the cable.
    > Misrepresented, but no big deal at all.
    > They are black with silver markings.. look very sharp.
    > The outer covering is braided cloth.
    >
    > Against my Lifelines cable, via headphones.. the AXL cables from MF seem

    to
    > be giving me more signal.
    > Perhaps my old LIfeline cable has been stepped on too many times.. but my
    > other cheap 'drag around the house for practice' cable also sounds like

    less
    > signal than these AXL cables.
    >
    > You cannot go wrong so far as I can tell for ten foot lifetime warranty
    > cables like these for 2.99.
    > It's a steal.
    >
    > So.. the MF gig bag is excellent. and worth the money easily, shipping
    > included.
    > And the AXL cables are also worth grabbing.
    >
    > Twang!
    >
    >
    >
    >
  20. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:12:37 +0900, "Ed" <gwbush@whitehouse.gov>
    wrote:

    >Why do people with cars bother with gig bags? From what I've seen, the only
    >possible use for them is when you're riding your bicycle to a street corner
    >so you can panhandle and play guitar.



    i've got one of the double-capacity gig bags. strat on one side, tele
    on the other, throw it over your shoulder with the strap. haven't used
    a hardshell case in many many gigs now.

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