Must See Blues?

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by NJD, Aug 30, 2003.

  1. JHT

    JHT Guest

    Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com> wrote in article <pmn1lvgrsha51gh2cucaq6g8o0m8s7hbcv@4ax.com>...
    > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:27:38 GMT, Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > >In my experience, there are a few young blues players in NYC that are
    > >really superb. Very inventive (not derived of BB, SRV, etc.), very
    > >musical, and very bluesy. They aren't recorded yet, so far as I
    > >know, but IMO they're much more interesting than Buddy Guy, Gatemouth
    > >Brown, or anybody like that.

    >
    > Well, the deal is, you've GOT to connect to the past in order to
    > know HOW to connect to the future. I'm sorry about your predjudice
    > (not a bit racial, simply against the past) but I also know that
    > you're smart enough to wise up.
    >
    > Texas Pete


    Why would you say that?

    Did you even ASK if Richard had heard someone like Gatemouth Brown and THEN decided he didn't care for that style?

    I mean..I have watched Gatemouth a bunch on tv on old concerts, and the man's music is an acquired taste to say the *least*.

    And me...I don't think Gatemouth is as killer as other bluesmen of the eras.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  2. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "NJD" <njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.19ba8ee1352557a6989b47@news.optonline.net...
    > Based on your experience, which still-touring blues guitarists would you
    > say rank as must-see?
    >

    BB King. See him while you still can. Awesome show.

    ryanm
  3. Jason

    Jason Guest

    i myself have never heard the man's music..... but the man himself, at
    least from this interview he conducted with Guitar World back in the early
    90s, seems like a real asshole..... i could be wrong, of course.

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    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, JHT wrote:

    > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:34:02 GMT
    > From: JHT <NobodyUpstairs@DELETEaol.com>
    > Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
    > Subject: Re: Must See Blues?
    >
    >
    >
    > Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com> wrote in article <pmn1lvgrsha51gh2cucaq6g8o0m8s7hbcv@4ax.com>...
    > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:27:38 GMT, Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > >In my experience, there are a few young blues players in NYC that are
    > > >really superb. Very inventive (not derived of BB, SRV, etc.), very
    > > >musical, and very bluesy. They aren't recorded yet, so far as I
    > > >know, but IMO they're much more interesting than Buddy Guy, Gatemouth
    > > >Brown, or anybody like that.

    > >
    > > Well, the deal is, you've GOT to connect to the past in order to
    > > know HOW to connect to the future. I'm sorry about your predjudice
    > > (not a bit racial, simply against the past) but I also know that
    > > you're smart enough to wise up.
    > >
    > > Texas Pete

    >
    > Why would you say that?
    >
    > Did you even ASK if Richard had heard someone like Gatemouth Brown and THEN decided he didn't care for that style?
    >
    > I mean..I have watched Gatemouth a bunch on tv on old concerts, and the man's music is an acquired taste to say the *least*.
    >
    > And me...I don't think Gatemouth is as killer as other bluesmen of the eras.
    >
    >
  4. Road Warrior

    Road Warrior Guest

    "NJD" <njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> wrote in message
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    > > > HTH.


    > > Who for some reason, isn't touring anymore. ;)


    > And I sure do regret never having caught his act live.


    Well, if you saw him with Beck, like I did... You would have left
    unimpressed like I did. Beck just made SRV look like a "whatever"...
    Probably would have appreciated SRV more if Beck would have stayed home that
    night. ;-)


    Jeff
  5. Atlas

    Atlas Guest

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    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:12:43 -0500, Jeff Gross <jeffgross@charter.net>
    wrote:

    >Who for some reason, isn't touring anymore. ;)


    That's 'cause he couldn't stand the weather. <G>



    Atlas
    --
    "I don't do drugs, I am drugs" - Salvador Dali
  6. Jason

    Jason Guest

    actually you coined it better than i did...."mean old man". he seems to
    get real pissy if he's called a "blues guitarist"..... again this is from
    the aformentioned interview.

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    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Odin wrote:

    > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:57:04 GMT
    > From: Odin <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net>
    > Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
    > Subject: Re: Must See Blues?
    >
    >
    > "Jason" <jswells@fdn.com> wrote in message
    >
    > > i myself have never heard the man's music..... but the man himself, at
    > > least from this interview he conducted with Guitar World back in the

    > early
    > > 90s, seems like a real asshole..... i could be wrong, of course.

    >
    > I hung out and drank beer with him one night in Buddy Guy's Chicago club
    > back in 1991. I didn't realize who I was sitting at the table with and
    > bullshitting with until about halfway through the night. I was in Chicago
    > for the night and wanted to hear some Chicago style blues - wouldn't you
    > know there was a Dallas band playing that night (Smokin' Joe Kubek, one of
    > my local favorites). We talked guitar and whatnot and all of a sudden I
    > realized that this guy looked familiar. Then it hit me. I'm not really
    > very familiar with his music, heard a few things in passing. I wouldn't
    > say he was an asshole but he did kinda have a "mean old man" thing going.
    > Not as mean as Sam Myers, but not exactly over friendly.
    >
    >
    >
  7. Richard

    Richard Guest

    petekerez@aol.com wrote...
    > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:27:38 GMT, Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > >In my experience, there are a few young blues players in NYC that are
    > >really superb. Very inventive (not derived of BB, SRV, etc.), very
    > >musical, and very bluesy. They aren't recorded yet, so far as I
    > >know, but IMO they're much more interesting than Buddy Guy, Gatemouth
    > >Brown, or anybody like that.

    >
    > Well, the deal is, you've GOT to connect to the past in order to
    > know HOW to connect to the future. I'm sorry about your predjudice
    > (not a bit racial, simply against the past) but I also know that
    > you're smart enough to wise up.


    [Note to self: Take time to express yourself better.]

    I've got nothing against the past except for its inability to
    surprise me.

    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  8. Richard

    Richard Guest

    njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > rh310@hotmail.com says...
    > > njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > > > rh310@hotmail.com says...
    > > > > But your topic was still-touring blues guitarists, not up-and-coming
    > > > > blues guitarists in your neighborhood. I know how much it bugs you
    > > > > when people stray off topic, so I'll make you happy this once and
    > > > > stay on topic.
    > > >
    > > > Sarcasm bugs me too.

    > >
    > > Tight-asses bug me.

    >
    > Some people like them.


    I never put my johnson in the back door of the house, so I wouldn't
    know. Besides, jailhouse humor is off topic.

    More seriously, see if you can hear Dave Littigher (spelled
    phonetically here; I know it's spelled differently but I don't
    remember how) or Howard Poole. The little blues joints in NYC that
    I've seen good people in come and go, although the Rodeo Bar is
    supposed to be a good place to catch good local blues talent now.

    Good luck.

    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  9. Richard

    Richard Guest

    njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > jeffgross@charter.net says...
    > > Atlas wrote:
    > > > You misspelled "Stevie Ray Vaughan".
    > > >
    > > > HTH.

    > > Who for some reason, isn't touring anymore. ;)

    >
    > And I sure do regret never having caught his act live.


    I'll sell ya my "el Macombo" DVD for $5 + postage. I've rarely been
    so bored in my life.

    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  10. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Jason" <jswells@fdn.com> wrote in message

    > i myself have never heard the man's music..... but the man himself, at
    > least from this interview he conducted with Guitar World back in the

    early
    > 90s, seems like a real asshole..... i could be wrong, of course.


    I hung out and drank beer with him one night in Buddy Guy's Chicago club
    back in 1991. I didn't realize who I was sitting at the table with and
    bullshitting with until about halfway through the night. I was in Chicago
    for the night and wanted to hear some Chicago style blues - wouldn't you
    know there was a Dallas band playing that night (Smokin' Joe Kubek, one of
    my local favorites). We talked guitar and whatnot and all of a sudden I
    realized that this guy looked familiar. Then it hit me. I'm not really
    very familiar with his music, heard a few things in passing. I wouldn't
    say he was an asshole but he did kinda have a "mean old man" thing going.
    Not as mean as Sam Myers, but not exactly over friendly.
  11. Don Evans

    Don Evans Guest

    "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.19baf2f637b0fdf989817@news.verizon.net...
    > njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > > jeffgross@charter.net says...
    > > > Atlas wrote:
    > > > > You misspelled "Stevie Ray Vaughan".
    > > > >
    > > > > HTH.
    > > > Who for some reason, isn't touring anymore. ;)

    > >
    > > And I sure do regret never having caught his act live.

    >
    > I'll sell ya my "el Macombo" DVD for $5 + postage. I've rarely been
    > so bored in my life.
    >


    I used to think it was me. :) I saw him live through an involved chain
    of events, before ever I heard him recorded, and because I was pretty
    involved with other stuff at the time, I didn't really know who he was ...
    only that I was supposed to be impressed. I wasn't. I thought he
    excecuted stuff well, and all, but I felt no passion at all, and never was
    surprised by anything he did. I had heard a few other of the younger Texas
    blues players, and I just didn't think he stood out of the crowd as much as
    I expected. Actually, I like his records better. IMO, etc.

    Don

    > --
    > Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  12. g-mane

    g-mane Guest

    In article <Pine.LNX.4.33.0308301724410.5490-100000@shell.fdn.com>,
    Jason <jswells@fdn.com> wrote:

    > i myself have never heard the man's music..... but the man himself, at
    > least from this interview he conducted with Guitar World back in the early
    > 90s, seems like a real asshole..... i could be wrong, of course.
    >
    > --
    > Jason (reply to foreverman1022NOSPAM!@yahoo.com; remove NOSPAM! to do so)


    i never read that interview, but i did get to mix a Gatemouth show over
    in Loozyanna in the mid-80s. i thought he was a cordial and friendly
    fella, as well as a fine player. maybe i met him on a "good" day and
    the magazine interviewed him on a "bad" one.

    Gate's not a stereotypical "blues" player, imo. lots of influences in
    his playing from the worlds of jazz, country, zydeco,etc. he plays
    fiddle for a few tunes during the show, lets the jazzbo horn players
    front for a few tunes, etc. and he probably won't be scrunching up his
    face while digging in for bends, or any of that now-generic "blues
    showman" stuff. gets on the bandstand, plays the show, says thanks and
    goodnight. see him while you still can if you get the chance, but don't
    expect someone in the mold of b.b or buddy guy or *insert favorite
    traditional electric blues guitarist here*
    -g

    --
    do the usual to reply
  13. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.19baf2f637b0fdf989817@news.verizon.net...
    > njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > > jeffgross@charter.net says...
    > > > Atlas wrote:
    > > > > You misspelled "Stevie Ray Vaughan".
    > > > >
    > > > > HTH.
    > > > Who for some reason, isn't touring anymore. ;)

    > >
    > > And I sure do regret never having caught his act live.

    >
    > I'll sell ya my "el Macombo" DVD for $5 + postage. I've rarely been
    > so bored in my life.


    Meee-OWWW!
    I can see being bored watching it the THIRD time, but seeing it the FIRST
    time...YOW!
    Good rock'n'roll'n'blooze show, that.

    Want me to lend you my Grateful Dead "View from the Vault" DVDs? Those ought
    to really send you over the edge!

    Stevie, when I first heard him on the radio, was as much a breath of fresh
    are as Eddie Van Halen and Mark Knopfler were, when I first heard them.

    Not that Stevie was doing anything as new as either of those guys, it was
    just the way he dipped into the deep well, I guess. Of course, nowadays I'm
    sick and tired of SRV style "blooze" everywhere I go, but done right, it's a
    wonderful thing.

    His brother, though...him I can listen to forever.

    Dan
  14. Richard

    Richard Guest

    vze2bjcf@verizon.net wrote...
    >
    > "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > > > jeffgross@charter.net says...
    > > > > Atlas wrote:
    > > > > > You misspelled "Stevie Ray Vaughan".
    > > > > >
    > > > > > HTH.
    > > > > Who for some reason, isn't touring anymore. ;)
    > > >
    > > > And I sure do regret never having caught his act live.

    > >
    > > I'll sell ya my "el Macombo" DVD for $5 + postage. I've rarely been
    > > so bored in my life.

    >
    > Meee-OWWW!
    > I can see being bored watching it the THIRD time, but seeing it the FIRST
    > time...YOW!
    > Good rock'n'roll'n'blooze show, that.


    Great player, great sound, executed flawlessly, sorry he's gone. No
    surprises, as Don said. That sums it up perfectly.

    I was in the DC area in the 70s, and heard local boys Jim Thackery,
    Neils Loftgren, Punky Meadows, Greg Wright, and even forever-to-be-
    unknowns like Terry Gleason and a crew of other fellas do that rock
    blues thing as well as it gets done. Punky was more of a straight
    rock player, but the guy could play the crap out of a guitar. Plus,
    I was a Johnny Winter freak in the early 70s...anyway, I'd heard a
    lot of that stuff already. Greg Wright was amazing, too. Did some
    touring with Gregg Allman, and a stint with Michael Jackson before
    J Batten took that gig.

    > Want me to lend you my Grateful Dead "View from the Vault" DVDs? Those ought
    > to really send you over the edge!


    I bore too easily. For example, after years of friends raving about
    Bruce Springsteen, I finally relented and went with them to a show in
    the early 80s. Great seats, the entire audience of 20,000 was on
    their feet singing along with all the words...and I was swearing if
    he played one more chorus of "Devil with the Blue Dress" as he ran
    from stage left to stage right to stage left to stage right to stage
    left that my head was going to explode. I hated it.

    > Stevie, when I first heard him on the radio, was as much a breath of fresh
    > are as Eddie Van Halen and Mark Knopfler were, when I first heard them.


    I was slow to warm up to Mark. I thought it was great that he clung
    to that great clean Strat sound when everyone else was playing
    through a string of effects, but I hated Sultans of Swing with a
    passion. I still do. I didn't get past that until "Brothers in
    Arms" came out, which I love and think is a fantastic record.

    Definitely not trying to offend SRV, but I gotta say it like it was.
    I couldn't wait for that DVD to end, and I've only watched it once.

    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  15. Les Cargill

    Les Cargill Guest

    Richard wrote:
    >


    > I was in the DC area in the 70s, and heard local boys Jim Thackery,
    > Neils Loftgren, Punky Meadows,


    http://www.chaoticworks.com/meadows/washington_city2.html

    <snip>

    > ...and I was swearing if
    > he played one more chorus of "Devil with the Blue Dress" as he ran
    > from stage left to stage right to stage left to stage right to stage
    > left that my head was going to explode. I hated it.
    >


    My first contact with Springsteen was "Darkness On The Edge of Town",
    which I like about better'n anything since.

    >
    > I was slow to warm up to Mark.


    Man, I wasn't. That was the shizzle. Still is. If he tours again
    go. I grew up on all those country pickers, and it was great
    hearing that vocabulary in that context.

    > I thought it was great that he clung
    > to that great clean Strat sound when everyone else was playing
    > through a string of effects, but I hated Sultans of Swing with a
    > passion.


    Wans't even the best song off the first album. "Waterline" is
    a fine tune.

    > I still do. I didn't get past that until "Brothers in
    > Arms" came out, which I love and think is a fantastic record.
    >
    > Definitely not trying to offend SRV, but I gotta say it like it was.
    > I couldn't wait for that DVD to end, and I've only watched it once.
    >


    I didn't like SRV until I heard "Weather" all the way through, like
    8 years after it came out. All they played on radio was "Cold
    Shot", which is fine, but not very exciting, really.

    > --
    > Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.



    --
    Les Cargill
  16. JHT

    JHT Guest

    Richard <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in article <MPG.19baf2f637b0fdf989817@news.verizon.net>...
    > njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > > jeffgross@charter.net says...
    > > > Atlas wrote:
    > > > > You misspelled "Stevie Ray Vaughan".
    > > > >
    > > > > HTH.
    > > > Who for some reason, isn't touring anymore. ;)

    > >
    > > And I sure do regret never having caught his act live.

    >
    > I'll sell ya my "el Macombo" DVD for $5 + postage. I've rarely been
    > so bored in my life.


    I'll take it, Richard, for $5 if you will sell it to me.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  17. JHT

    JHT Guest

    g-mane <gmane@sbcglobal.net> wrote in article <gmane-175972.18503330082003@newssvr22-ext.news.prodigy.com>...

    > Gate's not a stereotypical "blues" player, imo. lots of influences in
    > his playing from the worlds of jazz, country, zydeco,etc. he plays
    > fiddle for a few tunes during the show,


    Yeah...it's wild seeing him pick up that *old* fiddle.

    >lets the jazzbo horn players front for a few tunes, etc. and he probably won't be scrunching up his
    > face while digging in for bends, or any of that now-generic "blues
    > showman" stuff. gets on the bandstand, plays the show, says thanks and
    > goodnight. see him while you still can if you get the chance, but don't
    > expect someone in the mold of b.b or buddy guy or *insert favorite
    > traditional electric blues guitarist here*
    > -g


    I think it sounds like Gatemouth taught himself, IMHO.

    --
    Jason
    http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
  18. Richard

    Richard Guest

    lcargill@worldnet.att.net wrote...
    > Richard wrote:
    >
    > > I was in the DC area in the 70s, and heard local boys Jim Thackery,
    > > Neils Loftgren, Punky Meadows,

    >
    > http://www.chaoticworks.com/meadows/washington_city2.html


    Can't get that link open, but I'll try again later.

    > > ...and I was swearing if
    > > he played one more chorus of "Devil with the Blue Dress" as he ran
    > > from stage left to stage right to stage left to stage right to stage
    > > left that my head was going to explode. I hated it.

    >
    > My first contact with Springsteen was "Darkness On The Edge of Town",
    > which I like about better'n anything since.


    I've enjoyed various things of his I've heard on the radio, but the
    word in those days was his live show was a must-see. For me, at
    least, it was an unrelenting musical root canal.

    > > I was slow to warm up to Mark.

    >
    > Man, I wasn't. That was the shizzle. Still is. If he tours again
    > go. I grew up on all those country pickers, and it was great
    > hearing that vocabulary in that context.
    >
    > > I thought it was great that he clung
    > > to that great clean Strat sound when everyone else was playing
    > > through a string of effects, but I hated Sultans of Swing with a
    > > passion.

    >
    > Wans't even the best song off the first album. "Waterline" is
    > a fine tune.


    I've played a couple of DS tunes at various blues jams, and while I
    haven't heard the originals (to my knowledge) and don't know what
    record they're from, I thought the tunes were great and fun to play.

    It's kind of like CCR. The very first tune of theirs I heard was "99
    and 1/2," and I just laughed myself into a set of bruised ribs at the
    singing. I didn't hear "Born on the Bayou" or "Susie Q" for a few
    weeks afterwards, and those are killin' tunes. If I'd heard some
    better tunes that SOW, I might have warmed up to Dire Straights
    sooner than I did.

    > > I still do. I didn't get past that until "Brothers in
    > > Arms" came out, which I love and think is a fantastic record.
    > >
    > > Definitely not trying to offend SRV, but I gotta say it like it was.
    > > I couldn't wait for that DVD to end, and I've only watched it once.

    >
    > I didn't like SRV until I heard "Weather" all the way through, like
    > 8 years after it came out. All they played on radio was "Cold
    > Shot", which is fine, but not very exciting, really.


    I didn't see 'el Macambo' until mid-2000. That might have had a lot
    to do with how underwhelming I found it. Again, nothing against the
    guy, and may he rest in peace.

    I think part of my problem in being easily bored with live shows is
    that I prefer smaller settings where there's some give and take with
    the audience between tunes. I think this is because I'm usually
    turned off by "wham bam wham bam" -- one song after another after
    another instead of ending one and letting it soak in before starting
    another tune. Van Halen was a lot of fun live, with Roth. Their
    timing in between tunes was superb. Unless there's some space, I get
    fatigued pretty easily--it just all starts sounding like one long
    string of noise.

    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  19. pH

    pH Guest

    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:38:15 GMT, NJD <njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> wrote:

    >Based on your experience, which still-touring blues guitarists would you
    >say rank as must-see?
    >
    >I want to get out and see some *great* blues players.


    For something a little... "different", if you ever see that Chris Whitley
    is playing somewhere, do *not* miss it.

    Jeff

    http://www.jefftturner.com
  20. Ednovak

    Ednovak Guest

    >Based on your experience, which still-touring blues guitarists would you
    >say rank as must-see?
    >
    >I want to get out and see some *great* blues players.
    >


    Most of those mentioned so far are worth seeing. Gate, Buddy Guy, BB King.
    I'm also a fan of Hubert Sumlin, who still plays around in Milwaukee and
    Chicago, Bob Margolin, and Lurrie Bell.
    Ed.

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