new midi system on a PowerMac G4

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by Ed, Aug 21, 2003.

  1. Ed

    Ed Guest

    I was forced, because of my having to replace a printer, to get a new
    computer since my old one is SCSI only. The computer was configured for me
    with an AV card. The interface is an MT4 by emagic and before I was able to
    get the midi to work in a fashion in Studio Vision PRO 4.5 as long as it's
    being run on OS 9.2.2. But the sounds are poor on my Roland M-GS64
    particularly in 32 track files. I've got various Delta drivers etc. which
    are supposed to be compatible with OMS but I don't even know where to begin.
    Should I be running Logic instead?

    Also, no matter what I do, audio doesn't make it out to the mixer. (an old
    Mackie.) Any overall suggestions? I've only had the computer two days.

    Thanks,

    Ed
  2. In article <BB6AC512.7DE%egold@inr.net>, Ed <egold@inr.net> wrote:

    > I was forced, because of my having to replace a printer, to get a new
    > computer since my old one is SCSI only. The computer was configured for me
    > with an AV card. The interface is an MT4 by emagic and before I was able to
    > get the midi to work in a fashion in Studio Vision PRO 4.5 as long as it's
    > being run on OS 9.2.2. But the sounds are poor on my Roland M-GS64
    > particularly in 32 track files. I've got various Delta drivers etc. which
    > are supposed to be compatible with OMS but I don't even know where to begin.
    > Should I be running Logic instead?
    >
    > Also, no matter what I do, audio doesn't make it out to the mixer. (an old
    > Mackie.) Any overall suggestions? I've only had the computer two days.


    It's a lot of work and can be a real pain. My suggestion is that you
    get Logic for the OSX side. That's what I did. I had to BOOT from
    9.2.2 to get SVP to work. That's the ONLY way it will work, because
    that's the only way OMS with work. If you boot in OSX, OMS will not
    work. Kaput--end of story.

    Sorry. Bitch for a while, then move on.

    --
    ///---
  3. In article <BB6AC512.7DE%egold@inr.net>,
    Ed <egold@inr.net> wrote:

    >I was forced, because of my having to replace a printer, to get a new
    >computer since my old one is SCSI only.


    Eh? You had a SCSI printer??
    All you had to do was buy a PCI USB card to run a new printer on an old
    Mac.


    >The computer was configured for me
    >with an AV card. The interface is an MT4 by emagic and before I was able to
    >get the midi to work in a fashion in Studio Vision PRO 4.5 as long as it's
    >being run on OS 9.2.2. But the sounds are poor on my Roland M-GS64
    >particularly in 32 track files.


    Poor?

    >I've got various Delta drivers etc. which
    >are supposed to be compatible with OMS but I don't even know where to begin.
    >Should I be running Logic instead?


    The only drivers you need for OMS are the ones for the interface that you
    are using.
    Logic will not make your MIDI modules sound any different.

    Let's start again at the beginning.

    >Also, no matter what I do, audio doesn't make it out to the mixer. (an old
    >Mackie.) Any overall suggestions? I've only had the computer two days.


    Apart from sounding very confused, it sounds like you have a new G4 which
    does not boot OS 9 and that you are in OS X. Are you trying to run OS9
    MIDI/audio apps under Classic? That will not work. No extensions that
    access hardware will work under Classic emulation so that lets out *all*
    MIDI and audio software.

    You may be lucky in that you bought the only model G4 that does boot OS 9,
    otherwise you will have to buy all the software again to run under OS X
    (which is what they wanted you to do). Try the Startup control panel to see
    if there are other boot options.
  4. Ed

    Ed Guest

    in article 210820031639480544%222ggg@adelphia.net.invalid, Gerry Scott-Moore
    at 222ggg@adelphia.net.invalid wrote on 8/21/03 7:39 PM:

    > In article <BB6AC512.7DE%egold@inr.net>, Ed <egold@inr.net> wrote:
    >
    >> I was forced, because of my having to replace a printer, to get a new
    >> computer since my old one is SCSI only. The computer was configured for me
    >> with an AV card. The interface is an MT4 by emagic and before I was able to
    >> get the midi to work in a fashion in Studio Vision PRO 4.5 as long as it's
    >> being run on OS 9.2.2. But the sounds are poor on my Roland M-GS64
    >> particularly in 32 track files. I've got various Delta drivers etc. which
    >> are supposed to be compatible with OMS but I don't even know where to begin.
    >> Should I be running Logic instead?
    >>
    >> Also, no matter what I do, audio doesn't make it out to the mixer. (an old
    >> Mackie.) Any overall suggestions? I've only had the computer two days.

    >
    > It's a lot of work and can be a real pain. My suggestion is that you
    > get Logic for the OSX side. That's what I did. I had to BOOT from
    > 9.2.2 to get SVP to work. That's the ONLY way it will work, because
    > that's the only way OMS with work. If you boot in OSX, OMS will not
    > work. Kaput--end of story.
    >
    > Sorry. Bitch for a while, then move on.


    That's why they recommended this computer so I'm not surprised it doesn't
    work in OS X. I think that I will try to get Vision to work better in 9.2.2
    but I think I saw some version or versions of Logic on one of the many CDs I
    got with the system. I understand it's a steep learning curve as was Vision.

    Thanks,

    Ed
  5. In article <BB6B599A.8A4%egold@inr.net>, Ed <egold@inr.net> wrote:

    > >> I was forced, because of my having to replace a printer, to get a new
    > >> computer since my old one is SCSI only. The computer was configured for me
    > >> with an AV card. The interface is an MT4 by emagic and before I was able to
    > >> get the midi to work in a fashion in Studio Vision PRO 4.5 as long as it's
    > >> being run on OS 9.2.2. But the sounds are poor on my Roland M-GS64
    > >> particularly in 32 track files. I've got various Delta drivers etc. which
    > >> are supposed to be compatible with OMS but I don't even know where to
    > >> begin.
    > >> Should I be running Logic instead?
    > >>
    > >> Also, no matter what I do, audio doesn't make it out to the mixer. (an old
    > >> Mackie.) Any overall suggestions? I've only had the computer two days.

    > >
    > > It's a lot of work and can be a real pain. My suggestion is that you
    > > get Logic for the OSX side. That's what I did. I had to BOOT from
    > > 9.2.2 to get SVP to work. That's the ONLY way it will work, because
    > > that's the only way OMS with work. If you boot in OSX, OMS will not
    > > work. Kaput--end of story.
    > >
    > > Sorry. Bitch for a while, then move on.

    >
    > That's why they recommended this computer so I'm not surprised it doesn't
    > work in OS X. I think that I will try to get Vision to work better in 9.2.2
    > but I think I saw some version or versions of Logic on one of the many CDs I
    > got with the system. I understand it's a steep learning curve as was Vision.


    I can still run SVP just fine when I boot from 9.2, OMS installed and
    everything. But I must admit, after paying full price for the upgrade
    to SVP 4.5, the bugs--never to be fixed obviously-- forced a migration
    back to 4.22. So technically I can't addres 4.5.

    Logic does have a steep learning curve, all full-featured sequencers
    do, including Vision. But I had to move on.

    --
    ///---
  6. Ed

    Ed Guest

    in article BB6B9E6396681B5BC@hinton.demon.co.uk, Graham Hinton at
    hitman@spammer.deathsquad.com wrote on 8/22/03 5:18 AM:

    > In article <BB6AC512.7DE%egold@inr.net>,
    > Ed <egold@inr.net> wrote:
    >
    >> I was forced, because of my having to replace a printer, to get a new
    >> computer since my old one is SCSI only.

    >
    > Eh? You had a SCSI printer??
    > All you had to do was buy a PCI USB card to run a new printer on an old
    > Mac.
    >

    Yes, I did and I was totally unable to physically install the card and not
    for want of trying.

    >> The computer was configured for me
    >> with an AV card. The interface is an MT4 by emagic and before I was able to
    >> get the midi to work in a fashion in Studio Vision PRO 4.5 as long as it's
    >> being run on OS 9.2.2. But the sounds are poor on my Roland M-GS64
    >> particularly in 32 track files.

    >
    > Poor?


    Yes, they are not the patches I know and had waverings and junk sounds.
    (Worse when I was running 32 channels.) But now I have a 4 port setup and
    have no idea of how to deal with it. I also have no sound at all with this
    setup but had the poor sound when each channel was set to MT4 I think. I
    also don't remember how I set up the hardware in the past. But now there is
    a new AV card with a connector involving two female MIDI ins and two RCAs
    out (there are two other sets on the card itself.). I can't figure out what
    to connect where.
    >
    >> I've got various Delta drivers etc. which
    >> are supposed to be compatible with OMS but I don't even know where to begin.
    >> Should I be running Logic instead?

    >
    > The only drivers you need for OMS are the ones for the interface that you
    > are using.
    > Logic will not make your MIDI modules sound any different.


    I realize that.
    >
    > Let's start again at the beginning.
    >
    >> Also, no matter what I do, audio doesn't make it out to the mixer. (an old
    >> Mackie.) Any overall suggestions? I've only had the computer two days.

    >
    > Apart from sounding very confused, it sounds like you have a new G4 which
    > does not boot OS 9 and that you are in OS X. Are you trying to run OS9
    > MIDI/audio apps under Classic? That will not work. No extensions that
    > access hardware will work under Classic emulation so that lets out *all*
    > MIDI and audio software.


    No, I can only run SVP when I boot up from 9.2.2 but have been able to do
    the MIDI setup in X and not in 9 which freezes the computer. In fact, it
    usually froze the old computer but I could generally set it up.
    >
    > You may be lucky in that you bought the only model G4 that does boot OS 9,
    > otherwise you will have to buy all the software again to run under OS X
    > (which is what they wanted you to do). Try the Startup control panel to see
    > if there are other boot options.


    I've done that as well. I'm sure I'll eventually solve the problems (I've
    only had the computer 2 or 3 days). I should have received it last Thursday
    but I didn't till Tuesday because of our famous power failure.

    Thanks,

    Ed
    >
    >
  7. Ed

    Ed Guest

    in article 220820030903242702%222ggg@adelphia.net.invalid, Gerry Scott-Moore
    at 222ggg@adelphia.net.invalid wrote on 8/22/03 12:03 PM:

    > In article <BB6B599A.8A4%egold@inr.net>, Ed <egold@inr.net> wrote:
    >
    >>>> I was forced, because of my having to replace a printer, to get a new
    >>>> computer since my old one is SCSI only. The computer was configured for me
    >>>> with an AV card. The interface is an MT4 by emagic and before I was able to
    >>>> get the midi to work in a fashion in Studio Vision PRO 4.5 as long as it's
    >>>> being run on OS 9.2.2. But the sounds are poor on my Roland M-GS64
    >>>> particularly in 32 track files. I've got various Delta drivers etc. which
    >>>> are supposed to be compatible with OMS but I don't even know where to
    >>>> begin.
    >>>> Should I be running Logic instead?
    >>>>
    >>>> Also, no matter what I do, audio doesn't make it out to the mixer. (an old
    >>>> Mackie.) Any overall suggestions? I've only had the computer two days.
    >>>
    >>> It's a lot of work and can be a real pain. My suggestion is that you
    >>> get Logic for the OSX side. That's what I did. I had to BOOT from
    >>> 9.2.2 to get SVP to work. That's the ONLY way it will work, because
    >>> that's the only way OMS with work. If you boot in OSX, OMS will not
    >>> work. Kaput--end of story.
    >>>
    >>> Sorry. Bitch for a while, then move on.

    >>
    >> That's why they recommended this computer so I'm not surprised it doesn't
    >> work in OS X. I think that I will try to get Vision to work better in 9.2.2
    >> but I think I saw some version or versions of Logic on one of the many CDs I
    >> got with the system. I understand it's a steep learning curve as was Vision.

    >
    > I can still run SVP just fine when I boot from 9.2, OMS installed and
    > everything.


    What MIDI interface do you use and which OMS driver?

    >But I must admit, after paying full price for the upgrade
    > to SVP 4.5, the bugs--never to be fixed obviously-- forced a migration
    > back to 4.22. So technically I can't addres 4.5.
    >
    > Logic does have a steep learning curve, all full-featured sequencers
    > do, including Vision. But I had to move on.


    What it boils down to is that when I set all the tracks to MT4 I get this
    peculiar tremulous sound but when I set them to Port 1 or whatever, there is
    no sound at all. I can restore 4.2.2 easily enough but I don't think it will
    help the immediate problem. And, though I may learn Logic, I again think
    that it won't help the immediate problem which seems to be one of driver
    setups rather than the midi program.

    Ed
  8. In article <BB6C2742.A5F%homeguy135@ouinon.hotmail.com>, Ed
    <homeguy135@ouinon.hotmail.com> wrote:

    > > I can still run SVP just fine when I boot from 9.2, OMS installed and
    > > everything.

    >
    > What MIDI interface do you use and which OMS driver?


    OMS 2.3.8. I used an Opcode 64x, but with the move to OSX I moved to a
    midiman USB midisport 4x4, as I can no longer use the serial that
    connected me to the opcode 64x on both platforms.
    >
    > >But I must admit, after paying full price for the upgrade
    > > to SVP 4.5, the bugs--never to be fixed obviously-- forced a migration
    > > back to 4.22. So technically I can't addres 4.5.
    > >
    > > Logic does have a steep learning curve, all full-featured sequencers
    > > do, including Vision. But I had to move on.

    >
    > What it boils down to is that when I set all the tracks to MT4 I get this
    > peculiar tremulous sound but when I set them to Port 1 or whatever, there is
    > no sound at all. I can restore 4.2.2 easily enough but I don't think it will
    > help the immediate problem.


    Yeah, I doubt it.

    > And, though I may learn Logic, I again think
    > that it won't help the immediate problem which seems to be one of driver
    > setups rather than the midi program.


    Perhaps. And even so, if you can't get Vision operating again you won't
    be able to port your old stuff out of there into a format that Logic or
    other sequencers can read-in. Very rapidly that became my primary
    concern, though it seems you have Vision working well enough from a
    load and operate mode.

    I would boot up exclusively on OS 9.2 and continue to jerk with the
    settings. You might try simply reconfiguring OMS. Sometimes the
    dead-sound situation occurs and it takes a while to track down what in
    the food chain has eaten what.

    --
    ///---
  9. In article <BB6BE70E.A58%homeguy135@ouinon.hotmail.com>, Ed
    <homeguy135@ouinon.hotmail.com> wrote:

    > > Apart from sounding very confused, it sounds like you have a new G4 which
    > > does not boot OS 9 and that you are in OS X. Are you trying to run OS9
    > > MIDI/audio apps under Classic? That will not work. No extensions that
    > > access hardware will work under Classic emulation so that lets out *all*
    > > MIDI and audio software.

    >
    > No, I can only run SVP when I boot up from 9.2.2 but have been able to do
    > the MIDI setup in X and not in 9 which freezes the computer. In fact, it
    > usually froze the old computer but I could generally set it up.


    Thought not wholly on topic, one day it will be:

    If you boot OSX, run OS 9.x in "classic environment", run a midi
    program there (on OS 9.x), then come back to OSX and try to run a
    native midi program there--it will not work!

    After this series of events you must *SHUT DOWN* the classic
    environment to release the ports for the OSX application to access.
    You have to re-boot in classic mode to use midi applications there, but
    will eventually have to kill it again to access on OSX.

    Hopefully the next rev of OSX ("panther"?) will address this...

    --
    ///---
  10. Ed

    Ed Guest

    in article 230820030938357136%222ggg@adelphia.net.invalid, Gerry Scott-Moore
    at 222ggg@adelphia.net.invalid wrote on 8/23/03 12:38 PM:

    > Thought not wholly on topic, one day it will be:
    >
    > If you boot OSX, run OS 9.x in "classic environment", run a midi
    > program there (on OS 9.x), then come back to OSX and try to run a
    > native midi program there--it will not work!


    So I've found. In fact, I only get the modem-printer (2 port) setup in 9. X
    only allows me one port.
    >
    > After this series of events you must *SHUT DOWN* the classic
    > environment to release the ports for the OSX application to access.
    > You have to re-boot in classic mode to use midi applications there, but
    > will eventually have to kill it again to access on OSX.


    I tried the manual setup in SVP with only moderate success. I did access a
    sort of patchbay with the 4 ports but it didn't wasn't very helpful.

    > Hopefully the next rev of OSX ("panther"?) will address this...


    I was at the shop where I bought the computer today as they screwed up my
    old 8600/300 which I'd like eventually to sell. I was skimming through David
    Pogue's article on Jaguar (a much more macho name than "Gershwin" or
    especially "Copland" :).) there and at this point I don't even want to
    think about panthers.

    I think I've done fairly nicely with Jaguar and the midi setup in the 4 days
    I've worked with them but I'll just have to be patient. Judging by the other
    postings, I'm not alone in having problems with USB midi.

    Thanks,

    Ed
  11. NOONE

    NOONE Guest

    Ed wrote:

    > in article BB6B9E6396681B5BC@hinton.demon.co.uk, Graham Hinton at
    > hitman@spammer.deathsquad.com wrote on 8/22/03 5:18 AM:
    >
    >> In article <BB6AC512.7DE%egold@inr.net>,
    >> Ed <egold@inr.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I was forced, because of my having to replace a printer, to get a new
    >>> computer since my old one is SCSI only.

    >>
    >> Eh? You had a SCSI printer??
    >> All you had to do was buy a PCI USB card to run a new printer on an old
    >> Mac.
    >>

    > Yes, I did and I was totally unable to physically install the card and not
    > for want of trying.
    >


    LOL. What seemed to be the problem trying to physically install a SCSI card?

    >>> The computer was configured for me
    >>> with an AV card. The interface is an MT4 by emagic and before I was able
    >>> to get the midi to work in a fashion in Studio Vision PRO 4.5 as long as
    >>> it's being run on OS 9.2.2. But the sounds are poor on my Roland M-GS64
    >>> particularly in 32 track files.

    >>
    >> Poor?

    >
    > Yes, they are not the patches I know and had waverings and junk sounds.
    > (Worse when I was running 32 channels.) But now I have a 4 port setup and
    > have no idea of how to deal with it. I also have no sound at all with this
    > setup but had the poor sound when each channel was set to MT4 I think. I
    > also don't remember how I set up the hardware in the past. But now there
    > is a new AV card with a connector involving two female MIDI ins and two
    > RCAs out (there are two other sets on the card itself.). I can't figure
    > out what to connect where.
    >>
    >>> I've got various Delta drivers etc. which
    >>> are supposed to be compatible with OMS but I don't even know where to
    >>> begin. Should I be running Logic instead?

    >>
    >> The only drivers you need for OMS are the ones for the interface that you
    >> are using.
    >> Logic will not make your MIDI modules sound any different.

    >
    > I realize that.
    >>
    >> Let's start again at the beginning.
    >>
    >>> Also, no matter what I do, audio doesn't make it out to the mixer. (an
    >>> old Mackie.) Any overall suggestions? I've only had the computer two
    >>> days.

    >>
    >> Apart from sounding very confused, it sounds like you have a new G4 which
    >> does not boot OS 9 and that you are in OS X. Are you trying to run OS9
    >> MIDI/audio apps under Classic? That will not work. No extensions that
    >> access hardware will work under Classic emulation so that lets out *all*
    >> MIDI and audio software.

    >
    > No, I can only run SVP when I boot up from 9.2.2 but have been able to do
    > the MIDI setup in X and not in 9 which freezes the computer. In fact, it
    > usually froze the old computer but I could generally set it up.
    >>
    >> You may be lucky in that you bought the only model G4 that does boot OS
    >> 9, otherwise you will have to buy all the software again to run under OS
    >> X (which is what they wanted you to do). Try the Startup control panel to
    >> see if there are other boot options.

    >
    > I've done that as well. I'm sure I'll eventually solve the problems (I've
    > only had the computer 2 or 3 days). I should have received it last
    > Thursday but I didn't till Tuesday because of our famous power failure.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Ed
    >>
    >>


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    NOONE
  12. Ed

    Ed Guest

    in article nCo3b.284283$Ho3.38850@sccrnsc03, NOONE at
    SPAMMERs.eMail2Me@False.Alarmed.HomeLinux.net wrote on 8/28/03 10:47 AM:

    <snip>

    > LOL. What seemed to be the problem trying to physically install a SCSI card?


    USB card. I kept trying but either the card part or the front where it
    screws in wouldn't quite engage in any of the slots. Or if it did, in any
    case, the computer wouldn't recognize it. I've installed memory and other
    expanders but I couldn't do that.

    In any case, I now have a different computer (G4) and will sell the 8600
    when I figure how best to do it. (Ebay or whatever.) And my immediate
    problem is now audio in OS 9.2.2. (It's fine in 10.)

    Ed

    homepage: http://www.geocities.com/standardmetal
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