Now He Sings, Now He Sobs reissue

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by Robert Schuh, Jul 25, 2003.

  1. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
    who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
    blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
    great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
    that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
    18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
    someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :)

    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  2. "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
    > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    > also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
    > who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
    > blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
    > great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
    > that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
    > 18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
    > someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :)
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa


    Shit...this is a classic CD. I just bought the New York reunion, or
    something like that, double CD. I do not care for that as much as the three
    Quartets or Nowhe sings, now he sobs CD....I still like the Three Quartets
    CD the best out of all I have hard over the years....hating to live off the
    difference though...SG
    >
    >
  3. great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
    is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.

    peace,
    -kyrre
  4. Robert Schuh wrote...
    > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    > also has 8 new cuts. [...]


    To clarify: It has 8 bonus tracks compared to the original LP. It has no
    new tracks compared to the previous CD release.

    -Brad
  5. Glenn Wilson

    Glenn Wilson Guest

    Robert - Strange you mentioned it, but one of the things I'm always struck
    by is Roy's cymbal sound on that recording. Maybe it's the recording or the
    fact that it's a trio, but that sound just sticks in my head (no pun
    intended).

    Glenn
    www.jazzmaniac.com

    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
    > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    > also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
    > who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
    > blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
    > great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
    > that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
    > 18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
    > someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :)
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >
    >
  6. JC Martin

    JC Martin Guest

    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
    > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    > also has 8 new cuts.



    8 new cuts???? Shite---you mean I have to buy *another* reissue?

    -JC
  7. JC Martin

    JC Martin Guest

    "Bradley Evans" <bradley_evans@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:e54e0cfa.0307250412.2f7d40dd@posting.google.com...
    > Robert Schuh wrote...
    > > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    > > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    > > also has 8 new cuts. [...]

    >
    > To clarify: It has 8 bonus tracks compared to the original LP. It has no
    > new tracks compared to the previous CD release.



    Thanks. 24-bit may not be enough for me to re-purchase then.

    -JC
  8. Bill Ray

    Bill Ray Guest

    That's old dead music Rob.

    :)

    BR



    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
    > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    > also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
    > who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
    > blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
    > great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
    > that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
    > 18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
    > someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :)
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >
    >
  9. ric

    ric Guest

    Robert Schuh wrote:

    > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    > also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
    > who has not heard this side, it is a must have.


    This remaster was released on July 16, 2002...over a year ago. There
    have been a few threads on it, the latest being part of the "Well done
    Sum1" thread. I've had mine since last year some time.

    --
    Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
  10. Nick

    Nick Guest

    "Kyrre Laastad" <kgeithus@SPAMOFFonline.no> wrote in message news:<M19Ua.15673$Hb.263180@news4.e.nsc.no>...
    > great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
    > is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.
    >
    > peace,
    > -kyrre


    To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
    acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
    Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).

    Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
    Specifics are appreciated.
  11. Michael Fell

    Michael Fell Guest

    On 25 Jul 2003 14:06:47 -0700, nick8004@aol.com (Nick) wrote:

    >"Kyrre Laastad" <kgeithus@SPAMOFFonline.no> wrote in message news:<M19Ua.15673$Hb.263180@news4.e.nsc.no>...
    >> great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
    >> is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.
    >>
    >> peace,
    >> -kyrre

    >
    >To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
    >acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
    >Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).



    Trio music is very good too.

    Mike
  12. Glenn Wilson

    Glenn Wilson Guest

    "Nick" <nick8004@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:1d97fb30.0307251306.35e4beea@posting.google.com...

    > To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
    > acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
    > Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).
    >
    > Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
    > Specifics are appreciated.


    To me it NHSNHS just sounds fresher. At that point in Chick's career it was
    an important step. All the later stuff, while good musically, just doesn't
    have that spontaneous feel to me. Also, Miroslav and Roy Haynes brought
    something to the music that none of the other rhythm sections did on the
    later recordings. Miroslav and Chick were contemporiries and Roy certainly
    more experienced but they really seemed to gel. The later groups are more
    'Chick with his rhythm section' to me. Of course I'm older and by the time
    I had heard some of Chick's later acoustic trio stuff, I was already
    spoilied. For those who have discovered this stuff first, they may hear it
    entirely different. That's the beauty of great improvised jazz music.

    I realize you wanted specifics and I gave you generalizations. Sorry.

    Glenn
    www.jazzmaniac.com
  13. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Nick wrote:

    > "Kyrre Laastad" <kgeithus@SPAMOFFonline.no> wrote in message news:<M19Ua.15673$Hb.263180@news4.e.nsc.no>...
    > > great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
    > > is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.
    > >
    > > peace,
    > > -kyrre

    >
    > To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
    > acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
    > Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).
    >
    > Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
    > Specifics are appreciated.


    Chick's Circle band recordings on ECM with Barry Altschul and some also with Anthony Braxton were monstrous. IT
    is really sad that so many people know Chick from that horrible Elektric Band crap.


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  14. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Glenn Wilson wrote:

    > "Nick" <nick8004@aol.com> wrote in message
    > news:1d97fb30.0307251306.35e4beea@posting.google.com...
    >
    > > To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
    > > acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
    > > Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).
    > >
    > > Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
    > > Specifics are appreciated.

    >
    > To me it NHSNHS just sounds fresher. At that point in Chick's career it was
    > an important step. All the later stuff, while good musically, just doesn't
    > have that spontaneous feel to me. Also, Miroslav and Roy Haynes brought
    > something to the music that none of the other rhythm sections did on the
    > later recordings. Miroslav and Chick were contemporiries and Roy certainly
    > more experienced but they really seemed to gel. The later groups are more
    > 'Chick with his rhythm section' to me. Of course I'm older and by the time
    > I had heard some of Chick's later acoustic trio stuff, I was already
    > spoilied. For those who have discovered this stuff first, they may hear it
    > entirely different. That's the beauty of great improvised jazz music.
    >
    > I realize you wanted specifics and I gave you generalizations. Sorry.
    >
    > Glenn
    > www.jazzmaniac.com


    Glenn,
    I agree with your assessment. NHSNHS is a real classic. The other bands sound
    like guys getting together so play and in many instances, show off their chops.
    That is THE biggest problem with so many of the guys today who grew up playing
    fusion. This is especially true with drummers. Guys like Weckl sound like they
    are thinking all of the time. They also have worked out so much "drum crap"
    ahead of time, that they are more interested in getting their "drum crap" stuck
    in the music rather than just listening and playing music. What I have to wonder
    with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony crap? I am
    sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with really
    playing the shit. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am not saying he
    has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary Peacock,
    but he really could do some wonderful shit. I am looking forward do hearing
    these extra tracks on this new issue.


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  15. ric

    ric Guest

    Nick wrote:

    > > great cd, folks. you oughta grab this one. nothing at all like the stuff he
    > > is known for, just good jazz. lovely drumming as well.
    > >
    > > peace,
    > > -kyrre

    >
    > To be fair to Chick, he has released a fair amount of uncompromising
    > acoustic combo stuff in addition to the fusion (e.g., Three Quartets,
    > Akoustic Band, Time Warp, Tribute to Bud Powell, Origin, New Trio).
    >
    > Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
    > Specifics are appreciated.


    The "Akoustic Band" release was impotent. Good idea, but zero band
    chemistry. The Bud Powell release is *excellent*, IMO. The "Three
    Quartets" release was good, too. I enjoyed the "New Trio" release,
    but a lot of folks didn't. No opinion on Time Warp or Origin, since
    I am not familiar with them (although the "New Trio" participants
    were part of Origin.)

    --
    Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
  16. "Nick" <nick8004@aol.com> wrote:

    > Any thoughts on how NHSNHS compares to some of these later efforts?
    > Specifics are appreciated.


    Much looser than Akoustic Band or the Bud Powell tribute. The fact that
    it is a trio makes comparisons to larger groups a bit awkward; I don't
    know what "New Trio" is.

    --------------
    Marc Sabatella
    marc@outsideshore.com

    The Outside Shore
    Music, art, & educational materials:
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  17. Is this the same 13-track release that apparently came out mid-last year?
    When I read this post, I almost went out immediatly to find this album (I'd
    always heard about it but never owned it) and it wasn't at the local
    Tower... and they have a fairly decent selection. Is this a BRAND NEW
    release? I think if it were they would have had it...

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F20CF8B.B838B9CA@robschuh.com...
    > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    > also has 8 new cuts. I am ordering mine in about 10 minutes. For anyone
    > who has not heard this side, it is a must have. Drummers also will be
    > blown away by Roy Haynes and his Paiste 602 flat ride. There is still
    > great debate regarding this. I have heard from a # of reputable sources
    > that it was a 20" 602 flat and a # of reputable sources that it was an
    > 18 602 flat. I have owned both and both sound incredible. I guess
    > someone needs to get a hold of Roy and ask him personally! :)
    >
    > --
    > Robert Schuh
    > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    > - Nietzsche
    >
    > "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
    >
    >
  18. ric

    ric Guest

    Anthony Giampa wrote:

    > Is this the same 13-track release that apparently came out mid-last year?


    Yes.

    http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307020213&sql=A2q4tk6kxtkr0

    > When I read this post, I almost went out immediatly to find this album (I'd
    > always heard about it but never owned it) and it wasn't at the local
    > Tower... and they have a fairly decent selection. Is this a BRAND NEW
    > release? I think if it were they would have had it...


    As you said, a year old.

    http://www.alldirect.com/music/mItem.asp?mitemNo=724353826529&cartID=550664081112030702
    http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=2VSBFGIMCG&ean=724353826529

    --
    Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
  19. naknir

    naknir Guest

    The bassist in his "new trio" is Avishay Cohen, an Israeli bass
    player.
    The is another Avishay Cohen in the NY jazz scene which is a great
    GREAT trumpet player, jazz of course. Have any of you heard about him
    or actually hear him play? Israeli too.
    And what about Omer Avital? GREAT double-bass player, in the NY jazz
    scene too. Plays with Jason Linder, and leads his own groups. Played
    on a regular basis in "Smalls" club. Heard him ?

    Just curious....

    Nir Brener.

    On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:53:41 -0700, ric <nospam@home.com> wrote:

    >Marc Sabatella wrote:
    >
    >> Much looser than Akoustic Band or the Bud Powell tribute. The fact that
    >> it is a trio makes comparisons to larger groups a bit awkward; I don't
    >> know what "New Trio" is.

    >
    >Chick Corea (Tne New Trio) "Past, Present, and Futures"
    >(SCD-9035-2 Stretch Records)
    >
    >I'd grade it as 4 stars (out of 5.)



    -----------------------------------
    Nir Brener, an 18 years old drummer from Israel.
  20. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    JC Martin wrote:

    > "Bradley Evans" <bradley_evans@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:e54e0cfa.0307250412.2f7d40dd@posting.google.com...
    > > Robert Schuh wrote...
    > > > I just received my Spring 2003 Blue Note catalogue and there is a new
    > > > release of this great Chick album. It has been remastered in 24 bit and
    > > > also has 8 new cuts. [...]

    > >
    > > To clarify: It has 8 bonus tracks compared to the original LP. It has no
    > > new tracks compared to the previous CD release.

    >
    > Thanks. 24-bit may not be enough for me to re-purchase then.
    >
    > -JC


    How about 8 new cuts though? :)


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

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