Now He Sings, Now He Sobs reissue

Discussion in 'rec.music.percussion' started by Robert Schuh, Jul 25, 2003.

  1. Joey Furr

    Joey Furr Guest

    "Zee Dodo" <zee_dodo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    > Michael Fell <mfell2112@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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    > >
    > > Kapow!

    >
    > Damn it, Schuh! These guys are killing you! Tell me: why do you
    > always have to go looking for it?


    If you read his posts carefully, you will understand that Rob actually
    enjoys thinking that he is 'riling up' people here. He feels a sense of
    accomplishment for it, it makes him feel powerful.
  2. ramalane

    ramalane Guest

    "Joey Furr" <joeyfurr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    : "Zee Dodo" <zee_dodo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    : news:3ffeb032.0307300303.2dec1e7d@posting.google.com...
    : > Michael Fell <mfell2112@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    : news:<wjAnP1XvWfRutr7NzM4HrFNApKGC@4ax.com>...
    : > >
    : > > Kapow!
    : >
    : > Damn it, Schuh! These guys are killing you! Tell me: why do you
    : > always have to go looking for it?
    :
    : If you read his posts carefully, you will understand that Rob actually
    : enjoys thinking that he is 'riling up' people here. He feels a sense of
    : accomplishment for it, it makes him feel powerful.

    Usenet Troll defined.

    /ramalane

    --
    Church of the Swimming Elephant
    http://www.cotse.com
    Have you been to church today?
  3. "Put a skin
    on that and sell it on eBay."

    Can I use that one?



    --
    George Lawrence
    George's Drum Shop
    1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    Copley, Ohio 44321
    http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    http://www.Drumguru.com
    330 670 0800
    toll free 866 970 0800

    "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    buy each of his children a drum."
    -Chinese proverb




    "Da Parrot-chick" <just@sk.me> wrote in message
    news:amFVa.26988$Mc.2102051@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
    >
    > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > news:3F2712E4.BD54119E@robschuh.com...
    > > conso_no wrote:
    > >
    > > > In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
    > > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
    > > >
    > > > oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
    > > > i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
    > > > ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is

    matched
    > > > only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
    > > > understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
    > > > *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive fucking ass from here to
    > > > sunday. butch that, bitch.
    > > >
    > > > > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
    > > >
    > > > you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it.

    get
    > > > it thru your head, you punk sissy bitch: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your

    _momma_
    > > > probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
    > > > scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
    > > > and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
    > > > jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
    > > > wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.

    > >
    > > Get a life Skip. You really are a sad Uncle Tom. I wonder how a guy in
    > > Portland can know so much about me anyway?

    >
    > I didn't write the above, Schuh, but he's right, you wouldn't last two

    days
    > in NYC. Or Boston. Or LA or Nashville. Or Nacogdoches, Texas.
    >
    > Don't take any of this personally, Schuh. But you ain't shit. Put a skin
    > on that and sell it on eBay.
    >
    >
  4. Apparently you'll have to stand in line, but I'm honored that you would even
    consider it.

    "George Lawrence" <drumguru@ameritech.net> wrote in message
    news:2EPVa.28481$BM.9434199@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
    > "Put a skin
    > on that and sell it on eBay."
    >
    > Can I use that one?
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > George Lawrence
    > George's Drum Shop
    > 1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
    > Copley, Ohio 44321
    > http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
    > http://www.Drumguru.com
    > 330 670 0800
    > toll free 866 970 0800
    >
    > "If thine enemy wrong thee,
    > buy each of his children a drum."
    > -Chinese proverb
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Da Parrot-chick" <just@sk.me> wrote in message
    > news:amFVa.26988$Mc.2102051@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
    > >
    > > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > > news:3F2712E4.BD54119E@robschuh.com...
    > > > conso_no wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
    > > > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > My musical talent has been rebuffed?
    > > > >
    > > > > oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
    > > > > i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible,

    your
    > > > > ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is

    > matched
    > > > > only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't

    you
    > > > > understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a

    wimp.
    > > > > *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive fucking ass from here to
    > > > > sunday. butch that, bitch.
    > > > >
    > > > > > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can
    > > > >
    > > > > you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it.

    > get
    > > > > it thru your head, you punk sissy bitch: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your

    > _momma_
    > > > > probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
    > > > > scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a

    wide
    > > > > and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there.

    the
    > > > > jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
    > > > > wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.
    > > >
    > > > Get a life Skip. You really are a sad Uncle Tom. I wonder how a guy in
    > > > Portland can know so much about me anyway?

    > >
    > > I didn't write the above, Schuh, but he's right, you wouldn't last two

    > days
    > > in NYC. Or Boston. Or LA or Nashville. Or Nacogdoches, Texas.
    > >
    > > Don't take any of this personally, Schuh. But you ain't shit. Put a

    skin
    > > on that and sell it on eBay.
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >
  5. Glenn Wilson

    Glenn Wilson Guest

    This is lame. I've never seen this person before on this NG (maybe he's
    from the percussion group?) but obviously he doesn't have the balls to sign
    a name. Where is this coming from? This is the kind of shit that has no
    place on this NG. We're having a discussion about music and this person
    decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this could be
    Amos again. This is exactly what Luke talked about in the post on using
    your own name. Would this person blast from left field like this and sign
    his name? Obviously not.

    Glenn
    www.jazzmaniac.com

    "conso_no" <peerless@prohost.com> wrote in message
    news:peerless-A7C945.16222429072003@news06.west.earthlink.net...
    > In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
    > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
    >
    > > My musical talent has been rebuffed?

    >
    > oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
    > i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
    > ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is matched
    > only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
    > understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
    > *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive fucking ass from here to
    > sunday. butch that, bitch.
    >
    >
    > > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can

    >
    > you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it. get
    > it thru your head, you punk sissy bitch: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your _momma_
    > probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
    > scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
    > and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
    > jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
    > wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.
  6. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Glenn Wilson wrote:

    > This is lame. I've never seen this person before on this NG (maybe he's
    > from the percussion group?) but obviously he doesn't have the balls to sign
    > a name. Where is this coming from? This is the kind of shit that has no
    > place on this NG. We're having a discussion about music and this person
    > decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this could be
    > Amos again. This is exactly what Luke talked about in the post on using
    > your own name. Would this person blast from left field like this and sign
    > his name? Obviously not.
    >
    > Glenn
    > www.jazzmaniac.com


    Glenn,
    This is SO typical in Usenet. There are so many cowards out there who post using
    phony names. I wish everyone had to post their real name and stand behind their
    words. 99% of this thread, even coming from people like Skippy, has been all
    lies too. What happens with these trolls is that they can not attack me using
    facts, so they sign in under a fake name and start with the crap. When they
    start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom. Just
    about everyone knows Skip is a lizard, so throwing that out there is not a
    stretch. The key to all of this is keeping it in perspective and laughing with
    it. This percussion newsgroup in general is very deluded as to it's collective
    place in the world. So many of these guys think that their opinions, 99% of
    which have been fed to them by schlock publications like Modern Drummer, are
    gospel. They don't realize that it really is about playing music. 99% of these
    guys want to be a drum star. Believe it or not, one guy's greatest aspiration
    in music is to be on the cover of Modern Drummer magazine. How out of touch with
    reality is that? :)

    >
    >
    > "conso_no" <peerless@prohost.com> wrote in message
    > news:peerless-A7C945.16222429072003@news06.west.earthlink.net...
    > > In article <3F25C061.EF1D1798@robschuh.com>,
    > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > > My musical talent has been rebuffed?

    > >
    > > oh yes. by everyone who's heard you, according to my experience.
    > > i'heard you play in phoenix and you SUCK. your time is horrible, your
    > > ideas mundane. in fact, your lack of native musical ability is matched
    > > only by your extremely childish and obnoxious personality. don't you
    > > understand why nobody likes you? huh, tough guy? you're just a wimp.
    > > *I* could, and gladly would, kick your jive fucking ass from here to
    > > sunday. butch that, bitch.
    > >
    > >
    > > > I'll give you $10,000.00 if you can

    > >
    > > you couldn't come up with 10k if your pathetic life depended on it. get
    > > it thru your head, you punk sissy bitch: NOBODY LIKES YOU. your _momma_
    > > probably rues the day you entered this world. you irredeemable
    > > scuzz-bucket. but don't give up hope....the world of sewing is a wide
    > > and wonderful one, and i'm sure you can find kindred souls there. the
    > > jazz world is better off with you stuck down in the desert. you
    > > wouldn't last 2 days in nyc.





    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  7. Zee Dodo

    Zee Dodo Guest

    "Glenn Wilson" <glenn.wilsonNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message news:<NkTVa.9192$kL2.4060@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...

    > We're having a discussion about music and this person
    > decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this could be
    > Amos again.


    Wilson, instead of wasting time here hurling baseless accusations, why
    don't you spend more time in the shed? Surely, you don't want to be a
    third-rate journeyman all you life. Try to learn something from
    people like Tabnik, DD Jackson etc. who also post here once in a
    while.
  8. "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F283842.A165CC08@robschuh.com


    > When they
    > start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom. Just
    >


    Ah, this explains it all. You've got it completely wrong, Shoe.
    Personal abuse, especially in the filthy language you prefer, is "rock
    bottom". On the other hand, musicianship is what music newsgroups are
    all about -- and on that point, you are at the bottom.


    --
    Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
  9. "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F283842.A165CC08@robschuh.com...
    > Glenn Wilson wrote:
    >
    > > This is lame. I've never seen this person before on this NG (maybe he's
    > > from the percussion group?) but obviously he doesn't have the balls to

    sign
    > > a name. Where is this coming from? This is the kind of shit that has

    no
    > > place on this NG. We're having a discussion about music and this person
    > > decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this

    could be
    > > Amos again. This is exactly what Luke talked about in the post on using
    > > your own name. Would this person blast from left field like this and

    sign
    > > his name? Obviously not.
    > >
    > > Glenn
    > > www.jazzmaniac.com

    >
    > Glenn,
    > This is SO typical in Usenet. There are so many cowards out there who post

    using
    > phony names. I wish everyone had to post their real name and stand behind

    their
    > words. 99% of this thread, even coming from people like Skippy, has been

    all
    > lies too. What happens with these trolls is that they can not attack me

    using
    > facts, so they sign in under a fake name and start with the crap. When

    they
    > start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom.


    What? You still here? I thought Thursday was garbage day.

    Just
    > about everyone knows Skip is a lizard, so throwing that out there is not a
    > stretch. The key to all of this is keeping it in perspective and laughing

    with
    > it. This percussion newsgroup in general is very deluded as to it's

    collective
    > place in the world. So many of these guys think that their opinions, 99%

    of
    > which have been fed to them by schlock publications like Modern Drummer,

    are
    > gospel. They don't realize that it really is about playing music. 99% of

    these
    > guys want to be a drum star. Believe it or not, one guy's greatest

    aspiration
    > in music is to be on the cover of Modern Drummer magazine. How out of

    touch with
    > reality is that? :)


    So if you have such a low opinion of rmmp and the people who post, then why
    do you keep posting yourself? Oh, I know why. It costs nothing to complain
    and you don't have to commit to anything. Right up your alley.

    Schuh, you small puddle of monkey spunk. Why don't you practice your press
    rolls instead of practicing your Johnny Torch routine?
  10. The whole second half of this thread reminds me of the days when I was a
    kid, when our 'group' would get rid of the kid we all stopped liking. =)

    --

    --
    Anthony Giampa; Imperiai2@cox.net
    "Pity makes me strong." -- Conan O'Brien


    "Da Parrot-chick" <just@sk.me> wrote in message
    news:%IZVa.126262$Io.10739605@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
    >
    > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > news:3F283842.A165CC08@robschuh.com...
    > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
    > >
    > > > This is lame. I've never seen this person before on this NG (maybe

    he's
    > > > from the percussion group?) but obviously he doesn't have the balls

    to
    > sign
    > > > a name. Where is this coming from? This is the kind of shit that has

    > no
    > > > place on this NG. We're having a discussion about music and this

    person
    > > > decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this

    > could be
    > > > Amos again. This is exactly what Luke talked about in the post on

    using
    > > > your own name. Would this person blast from left field like this and

    > sign
    > > > his name? Obviously not.
    > > >
    > > > Glenn
    > > > www.jazzmaniac.com

    > >
    > > Glenn,
    > > This is SO typical in Usenet. There are so many cowards out there who

    post
    > using
    > > phony names. I wish everyone had to post their real name and stand

    behind
    > their
    > > words. 99% of this thread, even coming from people like Skippy, has been

    > all
    > > lies too. What happens with these trolls is that they can not attack me

    > using
    > > facts, so they sign in under a fake name and start with the crap. When

    > they
    > > start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom.

    >
    > What? You still here? I thought Thursday was garbage day.
    >
    > Just
    > > about everyone knows Skip is a lizard, so throwing that out there is not

    a
    > > stretch. The key to all of this is keeping it in perspective and

    laughing
    > with
    > > it. This percussion newsgroup in general is very deluded as to it's

    > collective
    > > place in the world. So many of these guys think that their opinions, 99%

    > of
    > > which have been fed to them by schlock publications like Modern Drummer,

    > are
    > > gospel. They don't realize that it really is about playing music. 99% of

    > these
    > > guys want to be a drum star. Believe it or not, one guy's greatest

    > aspiration
    > > in music is to be on the cover of Modern Drummer magazine. How out of

    > touch with
    > > reality is that? :)

    >
    > So if you have such a low opinion of rmmp and the people who post, then

    why
    > do you keep posting yourself? Oh, I know why. It costs nothing to

    complain
    > and you don't have to commit to anything. Right up your alley.
    >
    > Schuh, you small puddle of monkey spunk. Why don't you practice your

    press
    > rolls instead of practicing your Johnny Torch routine?
    >
    >
  11. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Dez Dankworth wrote:

    > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > news:3F283842.A165CC08@robschuh.com
    >
    > > When they
    > > start attacking my musicianship, then I know they have hit rock bottom. Just
    > >

    >
    > Ah, this explains it all. You've got it completely wrong, Shoe.
    > Personal abuse, especially in the filthy language you prefer, is "rock
    > bottom". On the other hand, musicianship is what music newsgroups are
    > all about -- and on that point, you are at the bottom.
    >
    > --
    > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG


    Why do you bother Amos?


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  12. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Zee Dodo wrote:

    > "Glenn Wilson" <glenn.wilsonNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message news:<NkTVa.9192$kL2.4060@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
    >
    > > We're having a discussion about music and this person
    > > decides to blast with both barrels. Come on. For all we know this could be
    > > Amos again.

    >
    > Wilson, instead of wasting time here hurling baseless accusations, why
    > don't you spend more time in the shed? Surely, you don't want to be a
    > third-rate journeyman all you life. Try to learn something from
    > people like Tabnik, DD Jackson etc. who also post here once in a
    > while.


    Amos,
    Why do you bother?


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  13. JC Martin

    JC Martin Guest

    "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
    > Nick wrote:
    >
    > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message

    news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
    > > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
    > > > What I have to wonder
    > > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony

    crap? I am
    > > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with

    really
    > > > playing the shit. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am not

    saying he
    > > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary

    Peacock,
    > > > but he really could do some wonderful shit. I am looking forward do

    hearing
    > > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
    > > >

    > >
    > > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
    > > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
    > > the mid-90's.
    > >
    > > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
    > > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
    > > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
    > >
    > > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
    > > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
    > > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
    > > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
    > > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
    > > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
    > > about him.

    >
    > I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum

    sound is absolutely
    > fucking horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the

    same commercial
    > sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd is

    a great drummer,
    > but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no

    comparison of Gadd to
    > Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that >means

    nothing in Jazz.


    Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
    Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.

    -JC
  14. ric

    ric Guest

    JC Martin wrote:

    > Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
    > Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.


    And/or with Avishai Cohen (bass.)

    --
    Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
  15. Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
    Chick's Mad Hatter.
    He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
    And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
    absolutely brilliant also.
    If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
    genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
    and did covers of other's songs.
    Your ignorance is outstanding!!!!
    I won't resort to the f word because intelligent people do not need it to
    express themselves.

    "JC Martin" <jcmartin@sonic.net> wrote in message
    news:7nTXa.8680$dk4.369802@typhoon.sonic.net...
    > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
    > > Nick wrote:
    > >
    > > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message

    > news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
    > > > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
    > > > > What I have to wonder
    > > > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony

    > crap? I am
    > > > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with

    > really
    > > > > playing the shit. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am

    not
    > saying he
    > > > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary

    > Peacock,
    > > > > but he really could do some wonderful shit. I am looking forward do

    > hearing
    > > > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
    > > > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
    > > > the mid-90's.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
    > > > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
    > > > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
    > > >
    > > > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
    > > > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
    > > > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
    > > > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
    > > > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
    > > > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
    > > > about him.

    > >
    > > I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum

    > sound is absolutely
    > > fucking horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the

    > same commercial
    > > sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd

    is
    > a great drummer,
    > > but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no

    > comparison of Gadd to
    > > Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that >means

    > nothing in Jazz.
    >
    >
    > Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
    > Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.
    >
    > -JC
    >
    >
  16. joem

    joem Guest

    Donald Anderson wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
    > Chick's Mad Hatter.
    > He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
    > And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
    > absolutely brilliant also.
    > If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
    > genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
    > and did covers of other's songs.


    I'm not siding with Rob, because I'm not familiar enough with Gadd to
    take any stance on his playing. but Rob did say that he thought Gadd
    was a great drummer, just not a great jazz drummer. how is that
    different than what you're saying?

    --
    Joe.

    "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    chance." - storm&stress
  17. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Before you get on your high horse, I suggest you read before you make ignorant
    comments. I think Steve Gadd is a great drummer. I just don't like his Jazz
    playing, especially the sound he gets. I don't know any Jazz musicians who would
    out Gadd in the top 100 of Jazz players, but he is a wonderful all around
    player. BTW Skippy, this thread is about 40 years old. I'll bet you think Jeff
    Hamilton is a modern Jazz drummer too. Now go back to jerking off to your Steve
    Gadd CDs and butch up a bit. Sorry, 1 more thing, you claim no intelligent
    people use the F word? Ever heard of Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, William F.
    Burroughs etc., etc.? ALL you have proven here is that you are probably some
    non musician college kid who thinks he is cool because he has erectile
    problems.


    Donald Anderson wrote:

    > Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
    > Chick's Mad Hatter.
    > He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
    > And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
    > absolutely brilliant also.
    > If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
    > genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
    > and did covers of other's songs.
    > Your ignorance is outstanding!!!!
    > I won't resort to the f word because intelligent people do not need it to
    > express themselves.
    >
    > "JC Martin" <jcmartin@sonic.net> wrote in message
    > news:7nTXa.8680$dk4.369802@typhoon.sonic.net...
    > > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > > news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
    > > > Nick wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message

    > > news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
    > > > > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
    > > > > > What I have to wonder
    > > > > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony

    > > crap? I am
    > > > > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with

    > > really
    > > > > > playing the shit. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am

    > not
    > > saying he
    > > > > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary

    > > Peacock,
    > > > > > but he really could do some wonderful shit. I am looking forward do

    > > hearing
    > > > > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
    > > > > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
    > > > > the mid-90's.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
    > > > > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
    > > > > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
    > > > >
    > > > > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
    > > > > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
    > > > > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
    > > > > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
    > > > > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
    > > > > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
    > > > > about him.
    > > >
    > > > I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum

    > > sound is absolutely
    > > > fucking horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the

    > > same commercial
    > > > sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd

    > is
    > > a great drummer,
    > > > but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no

    > > comparison of Gadd to
    > > > Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that >means

    > > nothing in Jazz.
    > >
    > >
    > > Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
    > > Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.
    > >
    > > -JC
    > >
    > >





    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  18. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    joem wrote:

    > Donald Anderson wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
    > > Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
    > > Chick's Mad Hatter.
    > > He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
    > > And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
    > > absolutely brilliant also.
    > > If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
    > > genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
    > > and did covers of other's songs.

    >
    > I'm not siding with Rob, because I'm not familiar enough with Gadd to
    > take any stance on his playing. but Rob did say that he thought Gadd
    > was a great drummer, just not a great jazz drummer. how is that
    > different than what you're saying?
    >
    > --
    > Joe.
    >
    > "you're an electronic girl...i'm a rock guy...i don't think we have a
    > chance." - storm&stress


    Joe,
    This guy just wanted to be a dick. My biggest problem with Gadd's Jazz playing is
    the HORRIBLE studio sound on the drums. Hid drums sound like cardboard boxes.


    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  19. Robert Schuh

    Robert Schuh Guest

    Donald Anderson wrote:

    > Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant on
    > Chick's Mad Hatter.
    > He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
    > And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
    > absolutely brilliant also.
    > If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
    > genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the world
    > and did covers of other's songs.
    > Your ignorance is outstanding!!!!
    > I won't resort to the f word because intelligent people do not need it to
    > express themselves.


    Now that I re read this, the true hypocrisy of this guy comes blindingly
    through. Just because my opinion differs from him, he turns the thread into a
    personal attack on me. At the end, he then feebly attempts to take the high road
    by making an ill informed comment that "NO ONE" who is intelligent ever says
    fuck. Butch up kid. Why is YOUR opinion any more valid than mine?

    >
    >
    > "JC Martin" <jcmartin@sonic.net> wrote in message
    > news:7nTXa.8680$dk4.369802@typhoon.sonic.net...
    > > "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    > > news:3F25BEB5.5F07310D@robschuh.com...
    > > > Nick wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Robert Schuh <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message

    > > news:<3F21F70A.FED6A5C9@robschuh.com>...
    > > > > > Glenn Wilson wrote:
    > > > > > What I have to wonder
    > > > > > with a guy like Chick now is, why keep up with this dated Fusiony

    > > crap? I am
    > > > > > sure Chick is well off enough $ wise where he could just stay with

    > > really
    > > > > > playing the shit. Everyone knows he can play his ass off too. I am

    > not
    > > saying he
    > > > > > has to set up a trio like Keith Jarrett has with DeJohnette and Gary

    > > Peacock,
    > > > > > but he really could do some wonderful shit. I am looking forward do

    > > hearing
    > > > > > these extra tracks on this new issue.
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Funny you should put forth that idea, because that seems to be exactly
    > > > > what he is doing. I don't think he's had an "elektric" release since
    > > > > the mid-90's.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks to all for the info. NHSNHS was a little before my time; I'm
    > > > > not a completist and that one always seemed to slip through the
    > > > > cracks. Now I'm motivated to pick it up, though.
    > > > >
    > > > > A final question: any thoughts on Steve Gadd vs. Roy Haynes as a
    > > > > straight-ahead drummer, particularly with Chick? Gadd can be heard on
    > > > > "Humpty Dumpty" (from the album "The Mad Hatter"), "Friends," and
    > > > > "Three Quartets." I know Gadd isn't considered a jazz legend the same
    > > > > way Haynes is, but his playing blows me away on the Chick stuff. I
    > > > > can't recall enough about Haynes' playing to have a strong opinion
    > > > > about him.
    > > >
    > > > I can't stand Steve GAdd's Jazz playing. He is very stiff and his drum

    > > sound is absolutely
    > > > fucking horrible. The fact that he would show up to a Jazz gig with the

    > > same commercial
    > > > sounding kit that he used with Steely Dan is reprehensible to me. Gadd

    > is
    > > a great drummer,
    > > > but there are about 500 guys I would rather hear play Jazz. There is no

    > > comparison of Gadd to
    > > > Roy Haynes. Roy is a legend, Gadd is studio legend, but that >means

    > > nothing in Jazz.
    > >
    > >
    > > Chick has been playing with younger guys like Steve Wilson (sax) and Jeff
    > > Ballard (drums) the last 5 years.
    > >
    > > -JC
    > >
    > >





    --
    Robert Schuh
    "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
    intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
    the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
    the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
    - Nietzsche

    "The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
  20. "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuh.com> wrote in message
    news:3F3DC1E7.B2C09AA6@robschuh.com...
    > Donald Anderson wrote:
    >
    > > Just wanted to state I LOVE Steve Gadd as a drummer. He was brilliant

    on
    > > Chick's Mad Hatter.
    > > He was brilliant on SteelyDan's Aja.
    > > And I just finished watching him on Eric Clapton's video, where he was
    > > absolutely brilliant also.
    > > If you can't see this man's genius you are a real jazz snob and even the
    > > genius jazz musicians recognized their's is not the only music in the

    world
    > > and did covers of other's songs.
    > > Your ignorance is outstanding!!!!
    > > I won't resort to the f word because intelligent people do not need it

    to
    > > express themselves.

    >
    > Now that I re read this, the true hypocrisy of this guy comes blindingly
    > through. Just because my opinion differs from him, he turns the thread

    into a
    > personal attack on me. At the end, he then feebly attempts to take the

    high road
    > by making an ill informed comment that "NO ONE" who is intelligent ever

    says
    > fuck. Butch up kid. Why is YOUR opinion any more valid than mine?


    3 reasons, Schuh: he's more intelligent, he's more articulate, and he's more
    a musician than you are. Which isn't saying much, I know. But you did ask.

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