OT: Midlife crises: (was Re: Switching to Bass)

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by NJD, Aug 30, 2003.

  1. NJD

    NJD Guest

    In article <MPG.19b999b6ad767f81989810@news.verizon.net>, rh310
    @hotmail.com says...
    > njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > > rh310@hotmail.com says...
    > > > It's a matter of conscience. Silence == complicity.

    > >
    > > Not if silence keeps you on topic.

    >
    > Yeah, that's much more important. (Rolls eyes.)


    It is more important. It's not like we're living under a system lacking
    in opportunities to express political opinions in appropriate ways.

    Usenet falls apart if people can't at least try to stay on topic. Of
    course, conversations do drift and that's okay, but at the least, I
    think we should all put an OT in the subject so people can filter out
    the noise if they wish.

    People can always unsubscribe if the noise to signal ratio gets too
    high, but it's kind of a shame when that happens. The Usenet model of
    newsgroup *topics* could work really well if people just had a
    *conscience* when it comes to supporting it.

    OT political or religious posts are as bad as SPAM IMHO.

    --
    Nick
    http://www.cultv.com Fine arts & more
    http://www.ironia.net My last band
  2. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Re: Midlife crises: (was Re: Switching to Bass)

    njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > rh310@hotmail.com says...
    > > njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > > > rh310@hotmail.com says...
    > > > > It's a matter of conscience. Silence == complicity.
    > > >
    > > > Not if silence keeps you on topic.

    > >
    > > Yeah, that's much more important. (Rolls eyes.)

    >
    > It is more important. It's not like we're living under a system lacking
    > in opportunities to express political opinions in appropriate ways.
    >
    > Usenet falls apart if people can't at least try to stay on topic. Of
    > course, conversations do drift and that's okay, but at the least, I
    > think we should all put an OT in the subject so people can filter out
    > the noise if they wish.


    Sheesh. Don't be such a middle-aged white guy.

    One man's noise is another man's content. For example, I think that
    thread about Rolling Stone's Top 100 Guitarist is noise, almost by
    definition. That's probably as "on-topic" as a thread could be, but
    to me it's tiresomely predictable: Bitch about who's on it. Bitch
    about who's not. Repeat ad infinitum.

    > People can always unsubscribe if the noise to signal ratio gets too
    > high, but it's kind of a shame when that happens. The Usenet model of
    > newsgroup *topics* could work really well if people just had a
    > *conscience* when it comes to supporting it.


    Sure, on the sci.*, comp.*, and similar newsgroups where people
    actually use them in their work. I remember when you could have a
    serious discussion with John McCarthy on comp.ai, back in late 80s.

    But the rec.* tree? That's recreation. Lighten up, Nick.

    > OT political or religious posts are as bad as SPAM IMHO.


    Again: Lighten up.

    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  3. NJD

    NJD Guest

    Re: Midlife crises: (was Re: Switching to Bass)

    In article <MPG.19ba991b829700f6989811@news.verizon.net>, rh310
    @hotmail.com says...
    > Sheesh. Don't be such a middle-aged white guy.


    I am a middle-aged "white" guy (whatever "white" means).

    > But the rec.* tree? That's recreation. Lighten up, Nick.


    I am light. People who want to talk about politics all the time are the
    ones who need to lighten up. You talk as if there's some horrible
    sinister thing going on in the administration, which is laughably
    ridiculous. You even conjure up images of the holocaust with statements
    like silence equals complicity. I mean, puhleeze, give us a break.
    This is a recreational music forum.

    --
    Nick
    http://www.cultv.com Fine arts & more
    http://www.ironia.net My last band
  4. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Re: Midlife crises: (was Re: Switching to Bass)

    njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com wrote...
    > rh310@hotmail.com says...
    > > Sheesh. Don't be such a middle-aged white guy.

    >
    > I am a middle-aged "white" guy (whatever "white" means).
    >
    > > But the rec.* tree? That's recreation. Lighten up, Nick.

    >
    > I am light. People who want to talk about politics all the time are the
    > ones who need to lighten up.


    Well, I talk about lots of different stuff--and actually have bowed
    out of political conversations--so you can't be talking about me.

    > You talk as if there's some horrible
    > sinister thing going on in the administration, which is laughably
    > ridiculous. You even conjure up images of the holocaust with statements
    > like silence equals complicity.


    Well, there is that thing about 5000 or so Iraqi non-combantants
    getting wiped out by bombs you and I helped pay for, and yes I refuse
    to be silent about that because I think it was and is wrong. I think
    the argument for our doing it was trumped up. I'll continue to speak
    my conscience on it as the mood strikes me, and if your sensibilities
    are so offended because it's not about the guitar then killfile me.
    I don't change my name, so I'll stay out of your life.

    That aside, though, you're mis-interpreting much. I don't believe
    anybody's proposed anything more sinister than the kind of stuff that
    happens at, say, Enron or Worldcom. Or the Nixon or Reagan
    administrations. See, there are working examples of abuse of power.
    It isn't so laughably ridiculous, really. It's more sort of well
    within the observed behaviors of those who possess power.

    > I mean, puhleeze, give us a break.


    Us? Some of "us" join in on these topics, so you can't be speaking
    for everybody.

    > This is a recreational music forum.


    Or, this is a forum where people interested in recreational guitar
    playing get together and talk about whatever they want to talk about
    with whomever wants to join in. That's what it really is. I mean,
    just look around.

    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.

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