Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by Odin, Aug 27, 2003.

  1. Odin

    Odin Guest

    The other day at GC. I was there with my brother who is
    searching for a new amp. The manager of this particular GC
    (Tommy Roberts of Fulltone Fulldrive TR Edition pedal fame)
    is a big boo-teek and vintage guy and a friend of mine, so I
    always check out his collection when shopping. Anyway, we
    hooked up the following amps and ripped thru them with
    Aron's Strat (Kinman Blues pickups), a '56 Les Paul Jr
    (original P90's), a 70's Les Paul and a new Fender
    Strat-o-Sonic with P90's (my next guitar???).


    Dr Z Max 18 Jr head into 2x12 cab - sounds damn good, just
    about as loud (if not as loud) as my Maz 38 with a bit more
    breakup at a slightly lower volume, but very tight and loud.
    It sounds like a Dr Z, which is to say it doesn't sound like
    a Vox, Fender or Marshall. That's a good thing, though, and
    I like the Maz series amps a lot.

    Matchless Clubman 35 head into 2x12 cab - LOUD and pretty
    versatile for a "one trick pony" amp. There's a lot of gain
    or a lot of clean available in this amp. Like all Matchless
    amps you have to be careful to avoid the icepick in the ears
    syndrome, and the higher gain settings can be a little harsh
    (same with the Maz 18, though the Maz has nowhere near the
    gain as the Matchless). I liked this amp and could
    definitely see myself with it but for the price. Not as
    farty in the low end as some Matchless amps but not as tight
    as the Dr Z.

    The Komet head into 2x12 cab - After all the hype I was
    disappointed. It certainly didn't sound bad, and it got
    loud as hell, but it was rather bland for the price. I
    preferred both the Dr Z and the Matchless over the Komet. I
    don't have much to say about it because it just didn't do
    much for me.

    Bogner Shiva 1x12 sealed back combo - Again, the amp didn't
    live up to the hype. The clean was pretty good, but I
    certainly wasn't blown away. There wasn't much gain on the
    first channel and I expected the second channel to be much
    different, but the second channel was pretty tame. Not much
    gain available here either. Overall it was a good sounding
    amp but it had no personality of its own and just didn't do
    anything for me. I've never played a Bogner that "did it"
    for me, they're good sounding amps but there are plenty of
    other good sounding amps out there that do more for me.

    Gibson Goldtone 30 2x12 combo - Wow. I'm impressed.
    Volume, Tone, Reverb and great tone. Now I know these
    things are built crappy (I've seen the guts) and I think
    they're Trace Elliot design so I question their
    roadworthiness. And they're ugly as hell. That said, this
    thing sounded really good. If I ever see one on the used
    market for dirt cheap I'll take it. Kinda Vox Ac30-ish but
    not exactly. Very round, full low end, warm clear highs,
    just an overall good sounding amp. From clean to drive with
    the volume knob. Maybe this one was a winner, but if they
    all sound this good Gibson should repackage this thing and
    market it to the right folks. Try one of you get a chance.

    Mesa Nomad 55 combo - it sounded like one of the worst Mesa
    amps I've ever played. In fact, I think I liked this amp
    less than any other Mesa I've ever played. This amp is NOT
    for me.

    Fender 1964 Vibroverb Reissue - positively the best sounding
    reissue Fender I've ever played. LOUD as hell, from clean
    to drive it always sounded great. Like all blackface
    Fenders it was dead below 4 on the volume knob and too loud
    for many gigs when it was on 4, but that's the way it is.
    Low end for days, clear highs, a great sounding reissue.
    Too expensive. Heavy. You can buy an original for less.

    1965 Fender Deluxe Reverb (the real one, not a reissue) - If
    you've played a good sounding blackface Deluxe Reverb you
    know what I'm talking about. If not, go play one. I'd love
    to own this amp. It's perfect in every way in it's
    category.

    Blonde (62 or 63?) Fender Showman head and 1x15" cab -
    Didn't sound as good as the VRRI in my opinion. BIG and
    heavy, loud, looks cool but not as cool as a blonde Bassman.
    I wasn't overly impressed.

    60's Vox AC30 (not TBX) - this one needed a tune up, it
    wasn't magic like a great AC30 should be.

    60's Vox AC15TBX - good Vox AC15 tone, not too useful for my
    stage stuff but a great recording amp. These old Vox amps
    are NOT reliable so I have no use for them, but this one
    sounded good. It's not the same as a low wattage AC30, the
    AC15 has it's own sound. I prefer the AC30TBX when they're
    dialed in right, but with their unreliability issues I think
    I'd go for something boo-teek instead.


    Keep in mind that all of these amps were played for 5-20
    minutes each (depending on how much we liked them) at all
    volume levels (yes, we cranked them all up to gig volumes,
    sometimes 2 at a time and jammed). But they weren't played
    in a full band setting. Sometimes an amp that kills alone
    sucks in the band mix. Overall, my favorites (in no
    particular order) were the Vibroverb RI, the original DR,
    the DR Z Maz 18, the Gibson Goldtone and the Matchless
    Clubman 35. It was a fun Sunday afternoon but we didn't buy
    anything (yet).
  2. Richard

    Richard Guest

    res0jmoj@verizon.net wrote...
    > The other day at GC. I was there with my brother who is
    > searching for a new amp. The manager of this particular GC
    > (Tommy Roberts of Fulltone Fulldrive TR Edition pedal fame)
    > is a big boo-teek and vintage guy and a friend of mine, so I
    > always check out his collection when shopping. Anyway, we
    > hooked up the following amps and ripped thru them with
    > Aron's Strat (Kinman Blues pickups), a '56 Les Paul Jr
    > (original P90's), a 70's Les Paul and a new Fender
    > Strat-o-Sonic with P90's (my next guitar???).


    Strat-o-Sonic? Nice idea; too bad it doesn't have a trem bridge.

    They've got some nice amps at your GC. The one near me used to have
    some nice amps, but now it's just the major builders.

    > The Komet head into 2x12 cab - After all the hype I was
    > disappointed. It certainly didn't sound bad, and it got
    > loud as hell, but it was rather bland for the price. I
    > preferred both the Dr Z and the Matchless over the Komet. I
    > don't have much to say about it because it just didn't do
    > much for me.


    There's a nice clip of one up someplace, but in general I'm starting
    to think that, after you get above $1200 or so, an amp's sound is
    inversely proportional to its price. I'm talking in-production amps,
    not those relatively few, truly remarkable vintage pieces.

    There's gotta be some reason why everybody sells their $4000 Two Rock
    within a week of getting it.

    > Bogner Shiva 1x12 sealed back combo - Again, the amp didn't
    > live up to the hype. The clean was pretty good, but I
    > certainly wasn't blown away. There wasn't much gain on the
    > first channel and I expected the second channel to be much
    > different, but the second channel was pretty tame. Not much
    > gain available here either. Overall it was a good sounding
    > amp but it had no personality of its own and just didn't do
    > anything for me. I've never played a Bogner that "did it"
    > for me, they're good sounding amps but there are plenty of
    > other good sounding amps out there that do more for me.


    I'd really like to hear a Bruno Cowtipper. Some folks say that's the
    finest clean sound you can get.

    > Gibson Goldtone 30 2x12 combo - Wow. I'm impressed.
    > Volume, Tone, Reverb and great tone. Now I know these
    > things are built crappy (I've seen the guts) and I think
    > they're Trace Elliot design so I question their
    > roadworthiness. And they're ugly as hell. That said, this
    > thing sounded really good. If I ever see one on the used
    > market for dirt cheap I'll take it. Kinda Vox Ac30-ish but
    > not exactly. Very round, full low end, warm clear highs,
    > just an overall good sounding amp. From clean to drive with
    > the volume knob. Maybe this one was a winner, but if they
    > all sound this good Gibson should repackage this thing and
    > market it to the right folks. Try one of you get a chance.


    It sounds simple. Maybe it's simple enough to strip out completely
    and rebuild as a PTP amp.

    > [...other interesting stuff trimmed...]


    --
    "Leave the donkeys to their thistles." -- old Persian saying
  3. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message

    > > The other day at GC. I was there with my brother who is
    > > searching for a new amp. The manager of this particular GC
    > > (Tommy Roberts of Fulltone Fulldrive TR Edition pedal fame)
    > > is a big boo-teek and vintage guy and a friend of mine, so I
    > > always check out his collection when shopping. Anyway, we
    > > hooked up the following amps and ripped thru them with
    > > Aron's Strat (Kinman Blues pickups), a '56 Les Paul Jr
    > > (original P90's), a 70's Les Paul and a new Fender
    > > Strat-o-Sonic with P90's (my next guitar???).

    >
    > Strat-o-Sonic? Nice idea; too bad it doesn't have a trem bridge.


    No trem is a selling feature to me. YMMV and all that.


    > They've got some nice amps at your GC. The one near me used to have
    > some nice amps, but now it's just the major builders.


    These were all used amps except the reissue Vibroverb. THe store manager
    is a big vintage and boutique guy so his store is fullof this stuff. Tons
    of old Ricks and Voxes (he's a Beatles fan), tons of vintage Fender stuff,
    tons of vintage guitars of all sorts.


    > > The Komet head into 2x12 cab - After all the hype I was
    > > disappointed. It certainly didn't sound bad, and it got
    > > loud as hell, but it was rather bland for the price. I
    > > preferred both the Dr Z and the Matchless over the Komet. I
    > > don't have much to say about it because it just didn't do
    > > much for me.

    >
    > There's a nice clip of one up someplace, but in general I'm starting
    > to think that, after you get above $1200 or so, an amp's sound is
    > inversely proportional to its price. I'm talking in-production amps,
    > not those relatively few, truly remarkable vintage pieces.
    >
    > There's gotta be some reason why everybody sells their $4000 Two Rock
    > within a week of getting it.


    I think you're on to something there. Although the Matchless Clubman 35
    sounded pretty damn good, but not $2K good.


    > > Bogner Shiva 1x12 sealed back combo - Again, the amp didn't
    > > live up to the hype. The clean was pretty good, but I
    > > certainly wasn't blown away. There wasn't much gain on the
    > > first channel and I expected the second channel to be much
    > > different, but the second channel was pretty tame. Not much
    > > gain available here either. Overall it was a good sounding
    > > amp but it had no personality of its own and just didn't do
    > > anything for me. I've never played a Bogner that "did it"
    > > for me, they're good sounding amps but there are plenty of
    > > other good sounding amps out there that do more for me.

    >
    > I'd really like to hear a Bruno Cowtipper. Some folks say that's the
    > finest clean sound you can get.


    Bruno = $$$$$


    > > Gibson Goldtone 30 2x12 combo - Wow. I'm impressed.
    > > Volume, Tone, Reverb and great tone. Now I know these
    > > things are built crappy (I've seen the guts) and I think
    > > they're Trace Elliot design so I question their
    > > roadworthiness. And they're ugly as hell. That said, this
    > > thing sounded really good. If I ever see one on the used
    > > market for dirt cheap I'll take it. Kinda Vox Ac30-ish but
    > > not exactly. Very round, full low end, warm clear highs,
    > > just an overall good sounding amp. From clean to drive with
    > > the volume knob. Maybe this one was a winner, but if they
    > > all sound this good Gibson should repackage this thing and
    > > market it to the right folks. Try one of you get a chance.

    >
    > It sounds simple. Maybe it's simple enough to strip out completely
    > and rebuild as a PTP amp.


    Too much trouble. But it's a nice sounding amp for what it is.
  4. Richard

    Richard Guest

    res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net wrote...
    >
    > "Richard" <rh310@hotmail.com> wrote in message


    > > They've got some nice amps at your GC. The one near me used to have
    > > some nice amps, but now it's just the major builders.

    >
    > These were all used amps except the reissue Vibroverb. THe store manager
    > is a big vintage and boutique guy so his store is fullof this stuff. Tons
    > of old Ricks and Voxes (he's a Beatles fan), tons of vintage Fender stuff,
    > tons of vintage guitars of all sorts.


    They've got a few vintage Fenders at the local GC, but nothing
    special really.

    > > > The Komet head into 2x12 cab - After all the hype I was
    > > > disappointed. It certainly didn't sound bad, and it got
    > > > loud as hell, but it was rather bland for the price. I
    > > > preferred both the Dr Z and the Matchless over the Komet. I
    > > > don't have much to say about it because it just didn't do
    > > > much for me.

    > >
    > > There's a nice clip of one up someplace, but in general I'm starting
    > > to think that, after you get above $1200 or so, an amp's sound is
    > > inversely proportional to its price. I'm talking in-production amps,
    > > not those relatively few, truly remarkable vintage pieces.
    > >
    > > There's gotta be some reason why everybody sells their $4000 Two Rock
    > > within a week of getting it.

    >
    > I think you're on to something there. Although the Matchless Clubman 35
    > sounded pretty damn good, but not $2K good.


    I don't know how I'd even begin to judge if I got my money's worth
    out of a $2000 amp.

    > > > Bogner Shiva 1x12 sealed back combo - Again, the amp didn't
    > > > live up to the hype. The clean was pretty good, but I
    > > > certainly wasn't blown away. There wasn't much gain on the
    > > > first channel and I expected the second channel to be much
    > > > different, but the second channel was pretty tame. Not much
    > > > gain available here either. Overall it was a good sounding
    > > > amp but it had no personality of its own and just didn't do
    > > > anything for me. I've never played a Bogner that "did it"
    > > > for me, they're good sounding amps but there are plenty of
    > > > other good sounding amps out there that do more for me.

    > >
    > > I'd really like to hear a Bruno Cowtipper. Some folks say that's the
    > > finest clean sound you can get.

    >
    > Bruno = $$$$$


    Probably sucks, then. You know how hype is.

    --
    Gonna miss seeing you play, Pete Sampras.
  5. On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:28:25 -0500, "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net>
    wrote:

    >The other day at GC. I was there with my brother who is
    >searching for a new amp. The manager of this particular GC
    >(Tommy Roberts of Fulltone Fulldrive TR Edition pedal fame)
    >is a big boo-teek and vintage guy and a friend of mine, so I
    >always check out his collection when shopping. Anyway, we
    >hooked up the following amps and ripped thru them with
    >Aron's Strat (Kinman Blues pickups), a '56 Les Paul Jr
    >(original P90's), a 70's Les Paul and a new Fender
    >Strat-o-Sonic with P90's (my next guitar???).


    OK, I'll bite; was the Jr. a Special (you said P-90's); if not, how'd
    you like it?

    >Dr Z Max 18 Jr head into 2x12 cab - sounds damn good, just
    >about as loud (if not as loud) as my Maz 38 with a bit more
    >breakup at a slightly lower volume, but very tight and loud.
    >It sounds like a Dr Z, which is to say it doesn't sound like
    >a Vox, Fender or Marshall. That's a good thing, though, and
    >I like the Maz series amps a lot.


    I'll agree on the Dr. Z. I played a Camen Ghia once and bought it on
    the spot (and I'm not an impluse-buying amp guy at all). It gets used
    pretty rarely (I'm a living-room wannabe at this point in life), but
    that one Tone control covers a lot of ground you won't find anywhere
    else. Does the Maz series have that almost-a-wah tonal range?

    >Gibson Goldtone 30 2x12 combo - Wow. I'm impressed.
    >Volume, Tone, Reverb and great tone. Now I know these
    >things are built crappy (I've seen the guts) and I think
    >they're Trace Elliot design so I question their
    >roadworthiness. And they're ugly as hell. That said, this
    >thing sounded really good. If I ever see one on the used
    >market for dirt cheap I'll take it. Kinda Vox Ac30-ish but
    >not exactly. Very round, full low end, warm clear highs,
    >just an overall good sounding amp. From clean to drive with
    >the volume knob. Maybe this one was a winner, but if they
    >all sound this good Gibson should repackage this thing and
    >market it to the right folks. Try one of you get a chance.


    Yeah, the Velocettes were not as well-known as they should be. I
    played one and almost bought it (it had an upgraded transformer, which
    I'm told was a problem on some Velocettes). I didn't buy it, but when
    I heard later about the T.E. V's apparent build quality issues, I said
    the same thing...if someone re-does these in a solid package, they
    could get some big bucks for them...the Vellocettes were going for
    around $300 used when they sold off to Gibson.
    >
    >Fender 1964 Vibroverb Reissue - positively the best sounding
    >reissue Fender I've ever played. LOUD as hell, from clean
    >to drive it always sounded great. Like all blackface
    >Fenders it was dead below 4 on the volume knob and too loud
    >for many gigs when it was on 4, but that's the way it is.
    >Low end for days, clear highs, a great sounding reissue.
    >Too expensive. Heavy. You can buy an original for less.


    I blew an hour once playing through one of these...very nice amp.

    >Blonde (62 or 63?) Fender Showman head and 1x15" cab -
    >Didn't sound as good as the VRRI in my opinion. BIG and
    >heavy, loud, looks cool but not as cool as a blonde Bassman.
    >I wasn't overly impressed.


    I seem to remember playing one of those same combinations once...not
    the same era, but a Showman through its 1x15 cab. If I remember,
    that's one of the few Fenders meant for an 8-ohm cab, right> If that's
    the one, I remember the sales guy plugging the head into a 2x12 cab.
    It sounded much better, but they really wanted to sell the cab & head
    together. OK, I'm done amp-rambling now. Try a Fuchs, if you get the
    chance.
  6. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Mike McKernan" <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in message

    > >The other day at GC. I was there with my brother who is
    > >searching for a new amp. The manager of this particular GC
    > >(Tommy Roberts of Fulltone Fulldrive TR Edition pedal fame)
    > >is a big boo-teek and vintage guy and a friend of mine, so I
    > >always check out his collection when shopping. Anyway, we
    > >hooked up the following amps and ripped thru them with
    > >Aron's Strat (Kinman Blues pickups), a '56 Les Paul Jr
    > >(original P90's), a 70's Les Paul and a new Fender
    > >Strat-o-Sonic with P90's (my next guitar???).

    >
    > OK, I'll bite; was the Jr. a Special (you said P-90's); if not, how'd
    > you like it?


    Oh, yeah, it was a Special. Pretty well worn. I picked up a bran minty
    new reissue with P90s and surprisingly I thought the new one sounded warmer
    and better overall. But you never know about the electronics on a vintage
    piece until you open them up.


    > >Dr Z Max 18 Jr head into 2x12 cab - sounds damn good, just
    > >about as loud (if not as loud) as my Maz 38 with a bit more
    > >breakup at a slightly lower volume, but very tight and loud.
    > >It sounds like a Dr Z, which is to say it doesn't sound like
    > >a Vox, Fender or Marshall. That's a good thing, though, and
    > >I like the Maz series amps a lot.

    >
    > I'll agree on the Dr. Z. I played a Camen Ghia once and bought it on
    > the spot (and I'm not an impluse-buying amp guy at all). It gets used
    > pretty rarely (I'm a living-room wannabe at this point in life), but
    > that one Tone control covers a lot of ground you won't find anywhere
    > else. Does the Maz series have that almost-a-wah tonal range?


    Yeah, it can get that sound, and more. About the only thing the Maz won't
    do is heavy overdrive and it won't do a perfect imitation of a Fender clean
    or Marshall crunch. And that's probably why it sounds so damn good, it was
    designed from scratch as opposed to being designed as a knock off of a
    classic amp.


    > >Gibson Goldtone 30 2x12 combo - Wow. I'm impressed.
    > >Volume, Tone, Reverb and great tone. Now I know these
    > >things are built crappy (I've seen the guts) and I think
    > >they're Trace Elliot design so I question their
    > >roadworthiness. And they're ugly as hell. That said, this
    > >thing sounded really good. If I ever see one on the used
    > >market for dirt cheap I'll take it. Kinda Vox Ac30-ish but
    > >not exactly. Very round, full low end, warm clear highs,
    > >just an overall good sounding amp. From clean to drive with
    > >the volume knob. Maybe this one was a winner, but if they
    > >all sound this good Gibson should repackage this thing and
    > >market it to the right folks. Try one of you get a chance.

    >
    > Yeah, the Velocettes were not as well-known as they should be. I
    > played one and almost bought it (it had an upgraded transformer, which
    > I'm told was a problem on some Velocettes). I didn't buy it, but when
    > I heard later about the T.E. V's apparent build quality issues, I said
    > the same thing...if someone re-does these in a solid package, they
    > could get some big bucks for them...the Vellocettes were going for
    > around $300 used when they sold off to Gibson.


    That Goldtone sounded *good*. Too bad about the quality issues, because
    for that kinda cash I want something built like a tank.


    > >Fender 1964 Vibroverb Reissue - positively the best sounding
    > >reissue Fender I've ever played. LOUD as hell, from clean
    > >to drive it always sounded great. Like all blackface
    > >Fenders it was dead below 4 on the volume knob and too loud
    > >for many gigs when it was on 4, but that's the way it is.
    > >Low end for days, clear highs, a great sounding reissue.
    > >Too expensive. Heavy. You can buy an original for less.

    >
    > I blew an hour once playing through one of these...very nice amp.


    At half price - no, make that 1/3 price, I'd buy one.


    > >Blonde (62 or 63?) Fender Showman head and 1x15" cab -
    > >Didn't sound as good as the VRRI in my opinion. BIG and
    > >heavy, loud, looks cool but not as cool as a blonde Bassman.
    > >I wasn't overly impressed.

    >
    > I seem to remember playing one of those same combinations once...not
    > the same era, but a Showman through its 1x15 cab. If I remember,
    > that's one of the few Fenders meant for an 8-ohm cab, right> If that's
    > the one, I remember the sales guy plugging the head into a 2x12 cab.
    > It sounded much better, but they really wanted to sell the cab & head
    > together. OK, I'm done amp-rambling now. Try a Fuchs, if you get the
    > chance.


    Never seen a Fuchs in person. I've considered sending him a chassis to
    "Dumble" if I come across a beat Bassman or something for cheap.
  7. Robb Scott

    Robb Scott Guest

    In article <z0T3b.3719$CC6.3327@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
    "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net> wrote:

    > That Goldtone sounded *good*.


    Dann and I checked out a Goldtone at a local Mars, just before they went
    belly up. The tone I was hearing was perfect for a tune I was recording
    at the time - quite useful. Kinda Elvis Costello/Tom Petty/George
    Harrison-ish (pretty obvious stuff from an AC30 inspired thang...).

    /-/-/-/-|-\-\-\-\
    The One True Robb
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  8. Re: Re: Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:23:43 GMT, "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net>
    wrote:

    >Oh, yeah, it was a Special. Pretty well worn. I picked up a bran minty
    >new reissue with P90s and surprisingly I thought the new one sounded warmer
    >and better overall. But you never know about the electronics on a vintage
    >piece until you open them up.


    Especially when there seem to be so many people who have true vintage
    P-90's lying around...like anything else with guitars, you never know
    anything until yo play the things

    >Yeah, it can get that sound, and more. About the only thing the Maz won't
    >do is heavy overdrive and it won't do a perfect imitation of a Fender clean
    >or Marshall crunch. And that's probably why it sounds so damn good, it was
    >designed from scratch as opposed to being designed as a knock off of a
    >classic amp.



    Now that you mention, that's pretty rare these days...maybe that's why
    I dove into buying an amp I really don't need. I sometimes play an
    electric 12-string through that thing, low volume, and it soudns like
    God.

    >That Goldtone sounded *good*. Too bad about the quality issues, because
    >for that kinda cash I want something built like a tank.


    True...but for a bedroom/recording amp, I wonder what those Velocettes
    are going for these days. Then again, you gig, so you'd have to think
    about that more than I would.

    >At half price - no, make that 1/3 price, I'd buy one.


    Yup again...

    >Never seen a Fuchs in person. I've considered sending him a chassis to
    >"Dumble" if I come across a beat Bassman or something for cheap.


    Or, find an old Traynor w/ a good transformer...still cheap, I think,
    maybe still in the $200 range. I've asked Andy to do 2 of them so far.
    His "classic" Traynor mod starts with a YBA-1 . I had one of them done
    and also a Custom Reverb; both are EL34-based amps. Strangely, I
    really prefer the Custom Reverb, maybe just because I've spent more
    time tweaking it.

    I set the Rock/Jazz switch (aggressive gain) to Jazz, and both the
    Gain and OD-In (no pun intended) knobs to 9:00...not very aggressive
    for an amp that now says "Overdrive Supreme" on the front. Still, plug
    an old Junior into that with those settings and you can go from
    Mountain to complex chords just by changing your pick attack. That's a
    lot of fun.

    Disclaimer: I'm the guy that likes his wah AFTER the overdrive, and I
    love my Peavey Classic 30, BUT I swapped the Sovteks back in after
    trying JJ's in it. I also sold my 2-pup Les Pauls and bought Hamers.
    Open jams are the closest I've come to gigging in many years. In other
    words, my idea of "good tone" may not be all that normal.
  9. Odin

    Odin Guest

    Re: Re: Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

    "Mike McKernan" <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in message

    > >Oh, yeah, it was a Special. Pretty well worn. I picked up a bran minty
    > >new reissue with P90s and surprisingly I thought the new one sounded

    warmer
    > >and better overall. But you never know about the electronics on a

    vintage
    > >piece until you open them up.

    >
    > Especially when there seem to be so many people who have true vintage
    > P-90's lying around...like anything else with guitars, you never know
    > anything until yo play the things


    Either way I was much more impressed by the Fender Strat-o-Sonic with
    P90's - I want that guitar.


    > >Yeah, it can get that sound, and more. About the only thing the Maz

    won't
    > >do is heavy overdrive and it won't do a perfect imitation of a Fender

    clean
    > >or Marshall crunch. And that's probably why it sounds so damn good, it

    was
    > >designed from scratch as opposed to being designed as a knock off of a
    > >classic amp.

    >
    >
    > Now that you mention, that's pretty rare these days...maybe that's why
    > I dove into buying an amp I really don't need. I sometimes play an
    > electric 12-string through that thing, low volume, and it soudns like
    > God.


    I can see that amp being great for studio stuff, it was really capable of a
    cariety of tomes and gain levels with only the volume knob and tone knob.


    > >That Goldtone sounded *good*. Too bad about the quality issues, because
    > >for that kinda cash I want something built like a tank.

    >
    > True...but for a bedroom/recording amp, I wonder what those Velocettes
    > are going for these days. Then again, you gig, so you'd have to think
    > about that more than I would.


    If it has modern cheap construction like the new Fenders and Marshalls I'd
    always be worried about a part falling off the PCB as it was loaded in or
    out (quite common on new amps). Those new ribbon cables are shit. The new
    Mesa PCB amps are still built like tanks. And Peavey always seemed to hold
    up fairly well, although I've had a couple of problems over the years with
    Peavey amps.


    > >At half price - no, make that 1/3 price, I'd buy one.

    >
    > Yup again...


    Wait until some chump shitcans it on ebay.


    > >Never seen a Fuchs in person. I've considered sending him a chassis to
    > >"Dumble" if I come across a beat Bassman or something for cheap.

    >
    > Or, find an old Traynor w/ a good transformer...still cheap, I think,
    > maybe still in the $200 range. I've asked Andy to do 2 of them so far.
    > His "classic" Traynor mod starts with a YBA-1 . I had one of them done
    > and also a Custom Reverb; both are EL34-based amps. Strangely, I
    > really prefer the Custom Reverb, maybe just because I've spent more
    > time tweaking it.
    >
    > I set the Rock/Jazz switch (aggressive gain) to Jazz, and both the
    > Gain and OD-In (no pun intended) knobs to 9:00...


    It has an "Odin" setting? I need that amp.


    > not very aggressive
    > for an amp that now says "Overdrive Supreme" on the front. Still, plug
    > an old Junior into that with those settings and you can go from
    > Mountain to complex chords just by changing your pick attack. That's a
    > lot of fun.


    Sounds good. Wanna ship me one for review? I'll get it smoky for you. I
    promise not to spill beer in it.


    > Disclaimer: I'm the guy that likes his wah AFTER the overdrive, and I
    > love my Peavey Classic 30, BUT I swapped the Sovteks back in after
    > trying JJ's in it. I also sold my 2-pup Les Pauls and bought Hamers.
    > Open jams are the closest I've come to gigging in many years. In other
    > words, my idea of "good tone" may not be all that normal.


    Peavey Classic series amps are actually pretty damn good sounding amps.
    And Hamers are tits.
  10. Re: Re: Re: Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:08:09 GMT, "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net>
    wrote:
    >
    >> not very aggressive
    >> for an amp that now says "Overdrive Supreme" on the front. Still, plug
    >> an old Junior into that with those settings and you can go from
    >> Mountain to complex chords just by changing your pick attack. That's a
    >> lot of fun.

    >
    >Sounds good. Wanna ship me one for review? I'll get it smoky for you. I
    >promise not to spill beer in it.
    >

    Hey Odin, if I can finally figure out how to ship an amp without
    risking a catastrophe, I wouldn't have a problem with letting you
    check out one of the heads for a week or so...after all, I can only
    use one at a time. Problem is, my last attempt at shipping a head cost
    me a ton of bucks. I learned not to use FedEx Ground, but I'm still a
    little leery about shipping in general.
  11. Odin

    Odin Guest

    Re: Re: Re: Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

    "Mike McKernan" <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in message

    > >Sounds good. Wanna ship me one for review? I'll get it smoky for you.

    I
    > >promise not to spill beer in it.
    > >

    > Hey Odin, if I can finally figure out how to ship an amp without
    > risking a catastrophe, I wouldn't have a problem with letting you
    > check out one of the heads for a week or so...after all, I can only
    > use one at a time. Problem is, my last attempt at shipping a head cost
    > me a ton of bucks. I learned not to use FedEx Ground, but I'm still a
    > little leery about shipping in general.


    I can tell you that the only 2 ways to ship an amp and be 99.9% sure of no
    damage are to (a) ship it in an ATA flight case or (b) have it
    professionally packed. It should be packed in that spray-in foam in a
    plastic bag that hardens and forms around the amp which is placed in a
    heavy duty box that's much larger than the amp. This costs $50-$100 just
    for the packing but it's like a cardboard flight case. I still have a box
    with the foam that a Super Reverb was shipped in, I'm saving it in case I
    buy a Super Reverb online so I can ship the empty box to the seller and he
    can ship me my amp in a safe box. And UPS, as brutal as they are with
    packages, is more careful than Fed Ex. Also, when you insure a box for
    over $1000 with UPS the driver has to sign a special form so they know it's
    valuable and they try not to damage the box to the point of having to do a
    damage claim. But the best way to ship and amp is to not ship it at all,
    too many things can go wrong.
  12. Re: Re: Re: Re: Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:30:40 GMT, "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net>
    wrote:

    >I can tell you that the only 2 ways to ship an amp and be 99.9% sure of no
    >damage are to (a) ship it in an ATA flight case or (b) have it
    >professionally packed. It should be packed in that spray-in foam in a
    >plastic bag that hardens and forms around the amp which is placed in a
    >heavy duty box that's much larger than the amp. This costs $50-$100 just
    >for the packing but it's like a cardboard flight case. I still have a box
    >with the foam that a Super Reverb was shipped in, I'm saving it in case I
    >buy a Super Reverb online so I can ship the empty box to the seller and he
    >can ship me my amp in a safe box. And UPS, as brutal as they are with
    >packages, is more careful than Fed Ex. Also, when you insure a box for
    >over $1000 with UPS the driver has to sign a special form so they know it's
    >valuable and they try not to damage the box to the point of having to do a
    >damage claim. But the best way to ship and amp is to not ship it at all,
    >too many things can go wrong.


    OK, well on the off-chance you guys wind up lost near the Jersey
    shore, let me know and I'll tote out a Fuchs for you to try. By the
    way, congratulations on the big day a couple weeks ago.
  13. Odin

    Odin Guest

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

    "Mike McKernan" <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in message

    > >I can tell you that the only 2 ways to ship an amp and be 99.9% sure of

    no
    > >damage are to (a) ship it in an ATA flight case or (b) have it
    > >professionally packed. It should be packed in that spray-in foam in a
    > >plastic bag that hardens and forms around the amp which is placed in a
    > >heavy duty box that's much larger than the amp. This costs $50-$100

    just
    > >for the packing but it's like a cardboard flight case. I still have a

    box
    > >with the foam that a Super Reverb was shipped in, I'm saving it in case

    I
    > >buy a Super Reverb online so I can ship the empty box to the seller and

    he
    > >can ship me my amp in a safe box. And UPS, as brutal as they are with
    > >packages, is more careful than Fed Ex. Also, when you insure a box for
    > >over $1000 with UPS the driver has to sign a special form so they know

    it's
    > >valuable and they try not to damage the box to the point of having to do

    a
    > >damage claim. But the best way to ship and amp is to not ship it at

    all,
    > >too many things can go wrong.

    >
    > OK, well on the off-chance you guys wind up lost near the Jersey
    > shore, let me know and I'll tote out a Fuchs for you to try. By the
    > way, congratulations on the big day a couple weeks ago.


    Thanks. If I end up anywhere near Jersey you'll find me in Atlantic City
    in a casino.
  14. Don Evans

    Don Evans Guest

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

    "Mike McKernan" <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in message
    news:3005lvol1587dq4ij48d62dctvunktemlg@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:30:40 GMT, "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >I can tell you that the only 2 ways to ship an amp and be 99.9% sure of

    no
    > >damage are to (a) ship it in an ATA flight case or (b) have it
    > >professionally packed. It should be packed in that spray-in foam in a
    > >plastic bag that hardens and forms around the amp which is placed in a
    > >heavy duty box that's much larger than the amp. This costs $50-$100 just
    > >for the packing but it's like a cardboard flight case. I still have a

    box
    > >with the foam that a Super Reverb was shipped in, I'm saving it in case I
    > >buy a Super Reverb online so I can ship the empty box to the seller and

    he
    > >can ship me my amp in a safe box. And UPS, as brutal as they are with
    > >packages, is more careful than Fed Ex. Also, when you insure a box for
    > >over $1000 with UPS the driver has to sign a special form so they know

    it's
    > >valuable and they try not to damage the box to the point of having to do

    a
    > >damage claim. But the best way to ship and amp is to not ship it at all,
    > >too many things can go wrong.

    >
    > OK, well on the off-chance you guys wind up lost near the Jersey
    > shore, let me know and I'll tote out a Fuchs for you to try. By the
    > way, congratulations on the big day a couple weeks ago.


    Hi,
    I've been lurking in this thread ... do you play out anywhere with that
    Fuchs? I'd love to hear one.

    Don (in the Philly area)
  15. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

    On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 01:31:04 -0400, "Don Evans" <gtrdonevans@aol.com>
    wrote:

    >
    >Hi,
    >I've been lurking in this thread ... do you play out anywhere with that
    >Fuchs? I'd love to hear one.
    >
    >Don (in the Philly area)


    Unfortunately, I don't play out anywhere with anything these days, but
    I know that you can sometimes catch Scott Lerner out with his Fuchs in
    the Philly area. Right now, though, I don't see any dates posted on
    his web site (http://www.scottlernermusic.com/).
  16. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:23:43 GMT, "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net>
    wrote:


    >Oh, yeah, it was a Special. Pretty well worn. I picked up a bran minty
    >new reissue with P90s and surprisingly I thought the new one sounded warmer
    >and better overall. But you never know about the electronics on a vintage
    >piece until you open them up.
    >



    sadly, too true. i've played lots of vintage guitars with vintage P90s
    and they're just all over the place in terms of output. Some are weak
    and noisey, and some are in your face and righteous.
  17. Goldtop71

    Goldtop71 Guest

    Re: Re: Re: Played a bunch 'o boo-teek amps...

    It's called "insta-pack" and is in two propane-like containers that mix at a
    gun. You put the plasic wrapper in and squirt the insta-pack and it starts
    swelling.
    Too much and you crush your item. Piss off the shipping dept. and you may
    find your car interior "insta-packed"

    Home Depot sells aerosol cans of it.



    "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:kGu4b.13670$vm2.8928@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    >
    > "Mike McKernan" <mikemck333@optonline.net> wrote in message
    >
    > > >Sounds good. Wanna ship me one for review? I'll get it smoky for you.

    > I
    > > >promise not to spill beer in it.
    > > >

    > > Hey Odin, if I can finally figure out how to ship an amp without
    > > risking a catastrophe, I wouldn't have a problem with letting you
    > > check out one of the heads for a week or so...after all, I can only
    > > use one at a time. Problem is, my last attempt at shipping a head cost
    > > me a ton of bucks. I learned not to use FedEx Ground, but I'm still a
    > > little leery about shipping in general.

    >
    > I can tell you that the only 2 ways to ship an amp and be 99.9% sure of no
    > damage are to (a) ship it in an ATA flight case or (b) have it
    > professionally packed. It should be packed in that spray-in foam in a
    > plastic bag that hardens and forms around the amp which is placed in a
    > heavy duty box that's much larger than the amp. This costs $50-$100 just
    > for the packing but it's like a cardboard flight case. I still have a box
    > with the foam that a Super Reverb was shipped in, I'm saving it in case I
    > buy a Super Reverb online so I can ship the empty box to the seller and he
    > can ship me my amp in a safe box. And UPS, as brutal as they are with
    > packages, is more careful than Fed Ex. Also, when you insure a box for
    > over $1000 with UPS the driver has to sign a special form so they know

    it's
    > valuable and they try not to damage the box to the point of having to do a
    > damage claim. But the best way to ship and amp is to not ship it at all,
    > too many things can go wrong.
    >
    >

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