Please help! - Probably simple question

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by Al Murphy, Jul 10, 2003.

  1. Al Murphy

    Al Murphy Guest

    Hi Everyone,

    Apologies if this is the wrong forum but I have never posted in this
    group before so humble apologies if I'm in the wrong place.
    I have a mate who wants to connect his electronic keyboard (which he
    is going to buy) to his computer. He wants to play the keyboard and
    watch the note be scored (hope I have the right term there) on his
    computer. That's his aim.
    So my questions are:

    1. What type of electronic keyboard would you recommend?

    2. On the shareware/freeware/GPL side what software would you
    recommend for this functionality i.e electronic keyboard -> mide
    format -> actual musical score


    I would greatly appreciate any comments/views/suggestions that you
    would like to share...

    Thanks in advance,
    Al
    The Newbie.
  2. kered

    kered Guest

    Al Murphy wrote:

    > Hi Everyone,
    >
    > Apologies if this is the wrong forum but I have never posted in this
    > group before so humble apologies if I'm in the wrong place.
    > I have a mate who wants to connect his electronic keyboard (which he
    > is going to buy) to his computer. He wants to play the keyboard and
    > watch the note be scored (hope I have the right term there) on his
    > computer. That's his aim.
    > So my questions are:
    >
    > 1. What type of electronic keyboard would you recommend?
    >


    One with at least midi in/out.

    >
    > 2. On the shareware/freeware/GPL side what software would you
    > recommend for this functionality i.e electronic keyboard -> mide
    > format -> actual musical score
    >


    What operating system etc., what type of music (how complicated)?

    >
    > I would greatly appreciate any comments/views/suggestions that you
    > would like to share...
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    > Al
    > The Newbie.
  3. JB Seattle

    JB Seattle Guest

    You get what you pay for in midi.
    For the keyboard: Korg Karma
    For the software: Finale
    There are really no cheap solutions.
    JB
    "Al Murphy" <almurph@altavista.com> wrote in message
    news:a23daf3f.0307100426.1de0a6d4@posting.google.com...
    > Hi Everyone,
    >
    > Apologies if this is the wrong forum but I have never posted in this
    > group before so humble apologies if I'm in the wrong place.
    > I have a mate who wants to connect his electronic keyboard (which he
    > is going to buy) to his computer. He wants to play the keyboard and
    > watch the note be scored (hope I have the right term there) on his
    > computer. That's his aim.
    > So my questions are:
    >
    > 1. What type of electronic keyboard would you recommend?
    >
    > 2. On the shareware/freeware/GPL side what software would you
    > recommend for this functionality i.e electronic keyboard -> mide
    > format -> actual musical score
    >
    >
    > I would greatly appreciate any comments/views/suggestions that you
    > would like to share...
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    > Al
    > The Newbie.
    >
  4. Al Murphy

    Al Murphy Guest

    "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<kAgPa.40014$C83.3160888@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
    > You get what you pay for in midi.
    > For the keyboard: Korg Karma
    > For the software: Finale
    > There are really no cheap solutions.


    I find that hard to believe.
    Korg Karma ~= $1500
    Finale ~= $500

    Thanks JB. Top of the range kit - I have no doubt (suitable for Bruno
    out of Fame, but I'm not Bruno!!). But there must be a reasonable
    alternative...

    Anyone else like to make suggestions.

    Thanks
    Al
    The poor one.
  5. Mr Dewsons

    Mr Dewsons Guest

    In article <a23daf3f.0307101536.57a5bb9@posting.google.com>,
    almurph@altavista.com (Al Murphy) wrote:

    > "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:<kAgPa.40014$C83.3160888@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
    > > You get what you pay for in midi.
    > > For the keyboard: Korg Karma
    > > For the software: Finale
    > > There are really no cheap solutions.

    >
    > I find that hard to believe.
    > Korg Karma ~= $1500
    > Finale ~= $500
    >
    > Thanks JB. Top of the range kit - I have no doubt (suitable for Bruno
    > out of Fame, but I'm not Bruno!!). But there must be a reasonable
    > alternative...
    >
    > Anyone else like to make suggestions.
    >
    > Thanks
    > Al
    > The poor one.


    You'll need a keyboard with General MIDI capability. You should be able
    to find a simple Yamaha keyboard, around US$250, which will do the job.
    I don't know about the software though, but unless it's a shareware app
    it will work with that keyboard.
  6. On 10 Jul 2003 05:26:50 -0700, almurph@altavista.com (Al Murphy)
    wrote:

    >Hi Everyone,
    >
    > Apologies if this is the wrong forum but I have never posted in this
    >group before so humble apologies if I'm in the wrong place.
    > I have a mate who wants to connect his electronic keyboard (which he
    >is going to buy) to his computer. He wants to play the keyboard and
    >watch the note be scored (hope I have the right term there) on his
    >computer. That's his aim.
    > So my questions are:
    >
    >1. What type of electronic keyboard would you recommend?


    Absolute entry level? Casio (either under their brand or the Radio
    Shack versions), if you want sounds within. If the sound quality
    matters, the next step up is one of Yamaha's PSR keyboards. If you
    want to use it to play General MIDI (128 instrument) sequences or make
    them, make sure it is GM compatible. Around $200 US to get these,
    used deals can be found.

    If you use the computer's MIDI synth, any basic MIDI controller will
    work. Roland and Evolution both make good USB connection controllers.
    There are cheaper ones, but if your mate actually plays keys at all,
    or needs more than a couple of octaves, the cheapest ones won't do it.
    Entry level is around $100 US, you can get pretty decent ones for not
    much more.

    However, note that most modern PCs don't come with a hardware MIDI
    synth. Software synths often have too much latency -- delay between
    note key and sound -- to be playable for live recording. This is
    sound card/CPU dependent, as you can get fair results with a good WDM
    driver sound card and a fast CPU.

    >2. On the shareware/freeware/GPL side what software would you
    >recommend for this functionality i.e electronic keyboard -> mide
    >format -> actual musical score


    Most MIDI sequencers do score views, but the nature of MIDI as a
    performance recording means that the score shown is sloppy. If you
    want a *real* score, properly laid out for printing (and even reading
    by other musicians), you'll want a true scoring program. Not sure if
    there is anything shareware/freeware which does that.

    On the shareware side, Noteworthy Composer isn't too bad for score
    views, Powertracks Pro isn't shareware but it is probably the best
    entry level sequencer (Cakewalk Home Studio is the other best choice
    for me, but it costs more. I don't know if Cakewalk Express is
    available, but it *was* bundled or practically given away for a
    while).

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  7. JB Seattle

    JB Seattle Guest

    Your biggest problem will be in the scoring, midi does not score 1 to 1 and
    you need special software to score properly--Noteworthy from
    www.noteworthy.com does a better job of it than most sequencers out there at
    a cheap price--but it does not compare with Finale.
    The cheaper keyboards simply will not have the kind of orchestral sounds you
    are looking for--it will sound like crap so why bother.
    You may wish to shop around on ebay and look for an old Roland 2080 external
    synth with the Orchestral sound chip in it--they take up to 4 of those sound
    chips.
    Then a nice controller like the Evolution.
    Besides, what I suggested is not really top of the range, a Roland XV5080
    with the Orchestration boards and a Roland Controller is way more expensive.
    And the Kurzweil can be at about $8,000 US with all the bells and
    whistles--these are what movie scorers use to score and record orchestration
    for films.
    I simply recommended what can sound right for you at a lower price. I all
    depends on how cheap you want the music to sound.
    JB
    "Al Murphy" <almurph@altavista.com> wrote in message
    news:a23daf3f.0307101536.57a5bb9@posting.google.com...
    > "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message

    news:<kAgPa.40014$C83.3160888@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
    > > You get what you pay for in midi.
    > > For the keyboard: Korg Karma
    > > For the software: Finale
    > > There are really no cheap solutions.

    >
    > I find that hard to believe.
    > Korg Karma ~= $1500
    > Finale ~= $500
    >
    > Thanks JB. Top of the range kit - I have no doubt (suitable for Bruno
    > out of Fame, but I'm not Bruno!!). But there must be a reasonable
    > alternative...
    >
    > Anyone else like to make suggestions.
    >
    > Thanks
    > Al
    > The poor one.
    >

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