Problems with MIDI on XP...

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by Mark Starmer, Jun 30, 2003.

  1. Mark Starmer

    Mark Starmer Guest

    Hi,

    I am running cubase on windows xp using an internal MIDI port on a
    Intel 810 Processor (Intel 82801AA AC'97 audio driver), this is
    connected to a CS1x - It has definately been setup correctly on the
    MIDI front...

    The problem is that my software cannot detect the MIDI device (i.e.
    does not show on the MIDI inputs list) In fact there is absolutely
    nothing on the MIDI input list. Perhaps a driver problem? Has anybody
    else experienced a similar problem under XP?

    Things I know for definate
    1... The MIDI device works on Win '98
    2... MIDI setup is correct
    3... MIDI cables are working
    4... CS1x is setup to work with MIDI

    Thanks in advance.

    Mark Starmer

    http://www.markstarmer.co.uk
  2. Mark Starmer

    Mark Starmer Guest

    "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pIYLa.19073$C83.1812625@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
    > Look for the MPU401 driver, I also have one of those crappy AC97 cards that
    > came with this PC but it does have the MPU401 driver that makes the gameport
    > midi I/O.
    > Goto Control Panel/Sounds and audio devices/Audio and down to midi music
    > playback and all your midi drivers should be there and MPU401 should be
    > there. MAKE sure the use only default devices is UNCHECKED--or that is all
    > your midi software will see.
    > If you cannot find the MPU401 driver listed there, goto the Hardware tab and
    > see if it is listed there.
    > If not, then you need the MPU401 driver loaded and should be on whatever
    > disk that came with your computer.
    > JB


    Hi,

    I managed to install the MPU401 driver, although it said it couldn't
    use IRQ 10 (because the resource is already in use), I decided to
    change it to IRQ 5 and I now get a message saying

    'This device cannot start. (Code 10)

    Click Troubleshoot to start the troubleshooter for this device.'

    When I click on trouble shooting, nothing is displayed...

    Any ideas?

    Don't you just hate Windows! Looks like I may be forced to buy a new
    soundcard / MIDI interface with my mext pay check!

    Best Regards

    Mark Starmer

    http://www.markstarmer.co.uk/
  3. On 1 Jul 2003 12:51:29 -0700, markstarmer@hotmail.com (Mark Starmer)
    wrote:

    >"JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pIYLa.19073$C83.1812625@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
    >> Look for the MPU401 driver, I also have one of those crappy AC97 cards that
    >> came with this PC but it does have the MPU401 driver that makes the gameport
    >> midi I/O.
    >> Goto Control Panel/Sounds and audio devices/Audio and down to midi music
    >> playback and all your midi drivers should be there and MPU401 should be
    >> there. MAKE sure the use only default devices is UNCHECKED--or that is all
    >> your midi software will see.
    >> If you cannot find the MPU401 driver listed there, goto the Hardware tab and
    >> see if it is listed there.
    >> If not, then you need the MPU401 driver loaded and should be on whatever
    >> disk that came with your computer.
    >> JB

    >
    >Hi,
    >
    >I managed to install the MPU401 driver, although it said it couldn't
    >use IRQ 10 (because the resource is already in use), I decided to
    >change it to IRQ 5 and I now get a message saying
    >
    >'This device cannot start. (Code 10)
    >
    >Click Troubleshoot to start the troubleshooter for this device.'
    >
    >When I click on trouble shooting, nothing is displayed...
    >
    >Any ideas?


    Try another IRQ. Either 5 is already in use, or the MPU401 can't
    accept it as a possible IRQ (even if you were able to select it in the
    control panel, the hardware might not).

    Or try no IRQ -- output only at least should work with no IRQ
    assigned, input may depending on the driver. I'm pretty sure that the
    MS driver will work without an IRQ.

    >Don't you just hate Windows! Looks like I may be forced to buy a new
    >soundcard / MIDI interface with my mext pay check!


    Well, there is that part. It isn't Windows so much as it is the
    stuff you need to plug in to make that OS work, such as sound cards.

    Generic chipset ones are about the worst. The drivers aren't the
    same as bigger brands using similar chips, and sometimes they just
    don't cooperate. For example, most sound cards with MPU401 support
    simply install the MIDI driver automatically.

    However, a couple quick catches: If there is already another sound
    card in place, the driver install might miss some elements (or not put
    them in if they conflict with another device).

    If you have AC97 on the motherboard, MIDI I/O may be disabled in the
    BIOS. It saves an IRQ. Even if you install a driver, it may not work
    unless the setup is changed to enable it. If you have an on-board
    gameport, this is a common situation. Newer MB's lack the gameport,
    and therefore also lack the MPU401 hardware.

    A gameport doesn't have to support MIDI I/O. It sounds like yours
    does, though, so it is only a matter of finding the right drivers to
    use it.

    WinXP is "picky" -- if the drivers aren't properly installed, it
    disables them.
    --
    *-__Jeffery Jones__________| *Starfire* |____________________-*
    ** Muskego WI Access Channel 14/25 <http://www.execpc.com/~jeffsj/mach7/>
    *Starfire Design Studio* <http://www.starfiredesign.com/>
  4. JB Seattle

    JB Seattle Guest

    Even if you get the MPU running on the Gameport, your only option for
    playback is the MS softsynth, which is no good for recording.
    So you will need some sort of harware chip soundcard or external midi mod
    like a keyboard, etc.
    Using the external device is simpler with midi in XP--you only need a USB
    interface and they are not that expensive at www.midiman.com
    USB is a better pipe for midi anyway.
    If you have no external keyboard with midi, then the SB Extigy is a nice
    combo midi/audio I/O over the USB, the big drawback is that it does not take
    soundfonts like the Audigy internal sound card--but you are already having
    IRQ problems and adding a soundcard can only add to the trouble.
    JB
    "Jeffery S. Jones" <jeffsj@execpc.com> wrote in message
    news:tuv3gvg2n5i4h5b7ci24hoib4runk29r37@4ax.com...
    > On 1 Jul 2003 12:51:29 -0700, markstarmer@hotmail.com (Mark Starmer)
    > wrote:
    >
    > >"JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message

    news:<pIYLa.19073$C83.1812625@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
    > >> Look for the MPU401 driver, I also have one of those crappy AC97 cards

    that
    > >> came with this PC but it does have the MPU401 driver that makes the

    gameport
    > >> midi I/O.
    > >> Goto Control Panel/Sounds and audio devices/Audio and down to midi

    music
    > >> playback and all your midi drivers should be there and MPU401 should be
    > >> there. MAKE sure the use only default devices is UNCHECKED--or that is

    all
    > >> your midi software will see.
    > >> If you cannot find the MPU401 driver listed there, goto the Hardware

    tab and
    > >> see if it is listed there.
    > >> If not, then you need the MPU401 driver loaded and should be on

    whatever
    > >> disk that came with your computer.
    > >> JB

    > >
    > >Hi,
    > >
    > >I managed to install the MPU401 driver, although it said it couldn't
    > >use IRQ 10 (because the resource is already in use), I decided to
    > >change it to IRQ 5 and I now get a message saying
    > >
    > >'This device cannot start. (Code 10)
    > >
    > >Click Troubleshoot to start the troubleshooter for this device.'
    > >
    > >When I click on trouble shooting, nothing is displayed...
    > >
    > >Any ideas?

    >
    > Try another IRQ. Either 5 is already in use, or the MPU401 can't
    > accept it as a possible IRQ (even if you were able to select it in the
    > control panel, the hardware might not).
    >
    > Or try no IRQ -- output only at least should work with no IRQ
    > assigned, input may depending on the driver. I'm pretty sure that the
    > MS driver will work without an IRQ.
    >
    > >Don't you just hate Windows! Looks like I may be forced to buy a new
    > >soundcard / MIDI interface with my mext pay check!

    >
    > Well, there is that part. It isn't Windows so much as it is the
    > stuff you need to plug in to make that OS work, such as sound cards.
    >
    > Generic chipset ones are about the worst. The drivers aren't the
    > same as bigger brands using similar chips, and sometimes they just
    > don't cooperate. For example, most sound cards with MPU401 support
    > simply install the MIDI driver automatically.
    >
    > However, a couple quick catches: If there is already another sound
    > card in place, the driver install might miss some elements (or not put
    > them in if they conflict with another device).
    >
    > If you have AC97 on the motherboard, MIDI I/O may be disabled in the
    > BIOS. It saves an IRQ. Even if you install a driver, it may not work
    > unless the setup is changed to enable it. If you have an on-board
    > gameport, this is a common situation. Newer MB's lack the gameport,
    > and therefore also lack the MPU401 hardware.
    >
    > A gameport doesn't have to support MIDI I/O. It sounds like yours
    > does, though, so it is only a matter of finding the right drivers to
    > use it.
    >
    > WinXP is "picky" -- if the drivers aren't properly installed, it
    > disables them.
    > --
    > *-__Jeffery Jones__________| *Starfire* |____________________-*
    > ** Muskego WI Access Channel 14/25 <http://www.execpc.com/~jeffsj/mach7/>
    > *Starfire Design Studio* <http://www.starfiredesign.com/>
    >
  5. Mark Starmer

    Mark Starmer Guest

    "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<UkDMa.75002$Io.7033908@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
    > Even if you get the MPU running on the Gameport, your only option for
    > playback is the MS softsynth, which is no good for recording.
    > So you will need some sort of harware chip soundcard or external midi mod
    > like a keyboard, etc.


    I have a Yamaha CS1x which has quite a good sound

    > Using the external device is simpler with midi in XP--you only need a USB
    > interface and they are not that expensive at www.midiman.com
    > USB is a better pipe for midi anyway.


    I'll take a look next time I go to the shops!

    > If you have no external keyboard with midi, then the SB Extigy is a nice
    > combo midi/audio I/O over the USB, the big drawback is that it does not take
    > soundfonts like the Audigy internal sound card--but you are already having
    > IRQ problems and adding a soundcard can only add to the trouble.
    > JB


    I'm looking into buying the two Yamaha SW??? sound cards in the near
    future (which is why I haven't previously procured a mid-range card).
    I'm not really sure why I am getting IRQ probs tho' as I only have a
    motherboard and NIC on my box... There do seem to be a few free IRQ
    slots available. The AC97 just doesn't like them!

    I've also tried the latest drives - again, the same problems.

    It really seems to annoy me that I can't set up something I managed to
    do hassle free 5 years ago when I was 18... I now have a bloody degree
    in Computing and can't get a MIDI device setup! What hope does the
    world have!

    Also checked the BIOS, no options to do with MIDI!

    Perhaps I should just install Linux! (or get around to buying a USB
    MIDI device)

    Cheers for the help anyway!

    Best Regards

    Mark Starmer

    http://www.markstarmer.co.uk/

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