RAP5/3/18 Kale Holmes "Cold"

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Carey Carlan, Aug 16, 2003.

  1. Carey Carlan

    Carey Carlan Guest

    My apologies again to Kale Holmes and Mark Plancke for getting the songs
    mixed up. This review is the real one for Kale.

    Too much Mono and too much Stereo! The snare and guitar in glorious mono
    sitting dead center and the two acoustics spread to the extreme edges are
    making me dizzy. I get the distinct impression that a good mixing engineer
    could excise a chunk of tracks in this song and improve it immensely.
  2. kHolmes

    kHolmes Guest

    Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93D9C5CA93E99gulfjoehotmailcom@198.99.146.10>...
    > My apologies again to Kale Holmes and Mark Plancke for getting the songs
    > mixed up. This review is the real one for Kale.
    >
    > Too much Mono and too much Stereo! The snare and guitar in glorious mono
    > sitting dead center and the two acoustics spread to the extreme edges are
    > making me dizzy. I get the distinct impression that a good mixing engineer
    > could excise a chunk of tracks in this song and improve it immensely.



    I'm gonna blame it on over-compression (HA!) Damn that Alan Smart!

    Jus kiddin.

    you're right about the acoustics, they make me dizzy too. needs more
    vocals also. i'll learn how to mix one of these days.....

    kale
  3. kHolmes

    kHolmes Guest

    Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93D9C5CA93E99gulfjoehotmailcom@198.99.146.10>...
    > Too much Mono and too much Stereo! The snare and guitar in glorious mono
    > sitting dead center and the two acoustics spread to the extreme edges are
    > making me dizzy. I get the distinct impression that a good mixing engineer
    > could excise a chunk of tracks in this song and improve it immensely.



    Hey Carey,

    I was thinking about what you said in regards to the mix, and went
    ahead and remixed it. I believe it sounds alot better, as I did drop
    alot of parts, ie., most of the doubling, and the funny thing is it
    actually sounds MORE full with less parts, cause I was able to make
    everything really thick sounding with some killer outboard. Funny
    thing is, is I think all of us, at one time or another, have gotten
    locked into a specific mode of thinking, whether it good or bad, and
    it usually takes someone outside of your sphere to key you into that
    fact. So, thanks for the critisicm/review, it was humbly recieved and
    duly noted.

    kale
  4. As good a reason as any for people not to "master" their own mixes, don't
    you think? If one is that close to a project during the mixdown that they
    can't see beneficial changes...

    One trick I've learned over the years, particularly with the DAW, is to
    simply not be afraid to save away the mix in question and then throw away
    the concepts for that mix then start with bare tracks again but NOT use any
    of the tricks from the previous mix, nor necessarily be obliged to use even
    all the tracks. Even things like reamping, when it might not have seemed
    reasonable, becomes reasonable when you're purposely looking for some way to
    re-energize your thought process towards a mix. Obviously, you don't want
    to work on the new mix the minute you decide to put the old mix on the back
    burner. Either a couple of days break or move on to a totally different
    project for a while.

    --


    Roger W. Norman
    SirMusic Studio
    Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
    See how far $20 really goes.




    "kHolmes" <Jookieman@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:cb9939ae.0308290531.413a3632@posting.google.com...
    > Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message

    news:<Xns93D9C5CA93E99gulfjoehotmailcom@198.99.146.10>...
    > > Too much Mono and too much Stereo! The snare and guitar in glorious

    mono
    > > sitting dead center and the two acoustics spread to the extreme edges

    are
    > > making me dizzy. I get the distinct impression that a good mixing

    engineer
    > > could excise a chunk of tracks in this song and improve it immensely.

    >
    >
    > Hey Carey,
    >
    > I was thinking about what you said in regards to the mix, and went
    > ahead and remixed it. I believe it sounds alot better, as I did drop
    > alot of parts, ie., most of the doubling, and the funny thing is it
    > actually sounds MORE full with less parts, cause I was able to make
    > everything really thick sounding with some killer outboard. Funny
    > thing is, is I think all of us, at one time or another, have gotten
    > locked into a specific mode of thinking, whether it good or bad, and
    > it usually takes someone outside of your sphere to key you into that
    > fact. So, thanks for the critisicm/review, it was humbly recieved and
    > duly noted.
    >
    > kale
  5. kHolmes

    kHolmes Guest

    "Either a couple of days break or move on to a totally different
    > project for a while.
    >


    It's funny you say this, but it was actually more like 6 months
    between mixes for this particular song, so my frame of mind was WAY
    different!!

    Amen to the anti-self-mastering bias.

    kale

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