RAP5/4/05 Richard Kelly "Chasten the Wind"

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Carey Carlan, Aug 18, 2003.

  1. Carey Carlan

    Carey Carlan Guest

    The vocalist needs some help reaching the high notes (below the falsetto)
    or you could drop the key. After that he wants some of that old style
    focus.

    From the notes, Richard, you let on that you find your voice lacking. My
    suggestion: Sing a part well within your range with your best technique
    (IOW, make a sound you like) then play with that in your gear until you get
    it sounding good. It sounds like you're trying to hide your lead vocal
    because of the bad notes, therefore the good notes disappear, too. That
    leaves nothing. I'd much rather hear your bad notes with the good than
    hear none of them.

    The backing tracks are OK. I count eleven separate sources in your notes,
    not all playing at once. They don't tromp on each other.
  2. Raymond

    Raymond Guest

    >Subject: RAP5/4/05 Richard Kelly "Chasten the Wind"

    IMHO I think that this song could have been a bit shorter, I didn't like the
    part where the cymbals on the drums just stopped (I believe they where grabbed
    by the drummer to stop the sound), maybe a bit more decay time for the cymbals
    there.
  3. LLLindblad

    LLLindblad Guest

    I don't have the rap 5 series, but this piqued my interest......is this song a
    play on Chicago's Chasin' the Wind, or is it just co-incidence of the title and
    the music is quite different?

    laters
    tuna
  4. Harvey Gerst

    Harvey Gerst Guest

    lllindblad@aol.com (LLLindblad) wrote:

    >I don't have the rap 5 series, but this piqued my interest......is this song a
    >play on Chicago's Chasin' the Wind, or is it just co-incidence of the title and
    >the music is quite different?
    >
    >laters
    >tuna


    This, of course, begs the question: why don't you have the rap 5 series?

    Harvey Gerst
    Indian Trail Recording Studio
    http://www.ITRstudio.com/
  5. LLLindblad

    LLLindblad Guest

    >This, of course, begs the question: why don't you have the rap 5 series?

    Man, I KNEW that was comin'..........the pope speakith, the tuna shall
    follow....I will correct that error of my way soon.

    tuna
  6. Rich Kelley

    Rich Kelley Guest

    Howdy,

    I'm the Rich Kelley, the person that wrote and recorded the song. I
    realize that I'm bit late on this, but I've been on vacation for the
    last couple of weeks.

    First, thanks for the feedback from everyone. I appreciate the time
    you all took.

    The original poster noticed some of the high parts seemed strained on
    the vocal. Well, they are a bit. I'll take another listen.
    Depending on the day I can hit those notes more or less easily. The
    key is whether the vocal works with the song. If people are noticing
    my ability to hit a note, then the vocal probably needs some work.

    He also made another comment about the vocal being low in mix. I
    wasn't never trying to bury the vocal. Any comments on this?

    bruwhaha58097238@aol.com (Raymond) wrote in message news:<20030819235323.00659.00000373@mb-m02.aol.com>...
    > >Subject: RAP5/4/05 Richard Kelly "Chasten the Wind"

    >
    > IMHO I think that this song could have been a bit shorter, I didn't like the
    > part where the cymbals on the drums just stopped (I believe they where grabbed
    > by the drummer to stop the sound), maybe a bit more decay time for the cymbals
    > there.


    First, I'm pleased that you thought the drummer grabbed the cymbals -
    the drum track is a machine (Roland R-8 Mk II). The cymbal decay
    there was the default of the machine, which can be on the short side.
    the guitar echo was element that I was focusing on in that part. I'll
    listen to that part again. As to length - well the guitar lead and
    instumental sections add at least a minute, but I like them. I guess
    it's a matter of preference.

    In answer to someone's question about the tie-in to a Chicago song,
    there is no connection. I wasn't aware of the Chicago song.

    Again, thanks to all who commented. Any others are welcome.

    Rich Kelley
  7. Raymond

    Raymond Guest

    I'm checking out the song again Rich and I can relate to the song (family moved
    allot as a kid) and the start is great. I started to think about some old
    Kink's songs (and others) I'd heard right off. It's sounds in a few spot's (the
    straining) that the singer is not hearing himself well enough, I've had this
    trouble before and had to brake up my soft voice (what I aimed to do) and sing
    louder (strain to do so) to hear myself over other instruments in the headphone
    mix.
    To help with this I turned up my vocal mic in the cue or turned down the other
    stuff (remember if you turn things up, try and balance it out overall). I'm
    sure of this as in some other parts of the song (louder) singing is better or
    more in the right, breathing (with the time of the song) is also a big thing
    with long accents on words like "Chasten the wi..ind". As the shorter bit I
    spoke about I think that all the solos are in the good, maybe combining a verse
    or two would give the bit of shorting that may be needed.
    This is all my point of view but I feel that the bass guitar is walking over
    the lead guitar's intro on it's first solo. I think IMHO that you have a good
    song that just needs a bit of (like so many others have learned) refining. God
    knows I've done my share of refining with some of my songs.
  8. Rich Kelley

    Rich Kelley Guest

    Raymond,

    Thanks for the expanded comments. I've gotten enough comments about
    the singing in that one part of the song that I think I'm fool around
    with it a bit.

    Any other comments greatly appreciated.

    Rich

    bruwhaha58097238@aol.com (Raymond) wrote in message news:<20030902010653.18128.00000226@mb-m06.aol.com>...
    > I'm checking out the song again Rich and I can relate to the song (family moved
    > allot as a kid) and the start is great. I started to think about some old
    > Kink's songs (and others) I'd heard right off. It's sounds in a few spot's (the
    > straining) that the singer is not hearing himself well enough, I've had this
    > trouble before and had to brake up my soft voice (what I aimed to do) and sing
    > louder (strain to do so) to hear myself over other instruments in the headphone
    > mix.
    > To help with this I turned up my vocal mic in the cue or turned down the other
    > stuff (remember if you turn things up, try and balance it out overall). I'm
    > sure of this as in some other parts of the song (louder) singing is better or
    > more in the right, breathing (with the time of the song) is also a big thing
    > with long accents on words like "Chasten the wi..ind". As the shorter bit I
    > spoke about I think that all the solos are in the good, maybe combining a verse
    > or two would give the bit of shorting that may be needed.
    > This is all my point of view but I feel that the bass guitar is walking over
    > the lead guitar's intro on it's first solo. I think IMHO that you have a good
    > song that just needs a bit of (like so many others have learned) refining. God
    > knows I've done my share of refining with some of my songs.

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