RAP5/5/12 Kirby Rochester "Tongue of the Fatman"

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Carey Carlan, Aug 23, 2003.

  1. Carey Carlan

    Carey Carlan Guest

    This is a bad recording.

    And I think Kirby's kind of proud of that.

    Once upon a time when dinosaurs roamed the earth a budding AE friend of
    mine came over and we combined gear to make a recording of his "band" on a
    4 track cassette recorder. He went on to own his own studio and make a
    living at recording, but at the time we were both pretty ignorant. I think
    our recording was about this good.

    Kirby, you confound me. 6 mics and "no preamps"? "no mixer"? How did
    those channels get to the stereo recording?

    Behind that horrendous amount of distortion and lost bass/treble, there's a
    decent song trying to emerge. You have a decent balance of vocals,
    instruments, and percussion--excellent for a single pass recording.

    With some decent gear, this might work, but don't quit your day job.
  2. Scott Dorsey

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >Kirby, you confound me. 6 mics and "no preamps"? "no mixer"? How did
    >those channels get to the stereo recording?


    Some guesses:

    1. Y-cables

    2. Headphone splitter boxes used in reverse.

    3. Something similarly alarming.

    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
  3. >This is a bad recording.
    >
    >And I think Kirby's kind of proud of that.


    Scrappy playing, scrappy recording, all penis! Yeah I'm proud baby. You
    see if it doesn't sound scrappy then it won't have any "indie credibility". Get
    with the times man!

    >Kirby, you confound me. 6 mics and "no preamps"? "no mixer"? How did
    >those channels get to the stereo recording?


    Hey, strap enough gain pots and y-cords together and you got yourself a
    "mixer" of sorts! The added bonus is copius amounts of high frequency
    distortion on everything!

    >Behind that horrendous amount of distortion and lost bass/treble


    Did someone screw up the tranfser? Distortion... yes! I passed the mix
    through at least 4 conversion stages just to get more crud and harsh harmonics
    while adding a couple tiny parts. But the overall EQ is a smiley curve,
    although considering the signal chain, the extreme top and bottom must have
    been lopped off! This serves to "focus" the sound, removing extraneous
    information that could distract the listener! It's the next step after dynamic
    compression, it's spectral compression! If we chop off the extremes we can make
    what's left LOUDER!

    >there's a
    >decent song trying to emerge.


    For some unfathomable reason alot of young people absolutely love this
    song. You and I are probably too old to understand these yung-uns and their
    newfangled electrique geetars! I would be turning in my grave if I were dead!
    ^_^

    >You have a decent balance of vocals,
    >instruments, and percussion--excellent for a single pass recording.


    The balance was coming out too good for a single-pass recording so I took
    it to the next level to make sure there was enough harsh harmonic distortion on
    the hi-hat! Otherwise it just doesn't have that "punch"!

    >With some decent gear, this might work, but don't quit your day job.


    Wait'll you hear what I did to the 2nd movement of Beethovens 3rd! Picture
    the scene: A concrete basement, a euphonium consort, a special euphonium,
    ophelcide and basset horn arrangement of B's 3rd all under a intermittent
    flourescent flicker... in walks... KIRBY ROCHESTER with nothing more than a
    wax-cylinder, duct tape and a broom handle! This is the stuff of legend.

    P.S.
    Snare drums are SUPPOSED to sound like trash-can lids! ^_^
  4. >>Kirby, you confound me. 6 mics and "no preamps"? "no mixer"? How did
    >>those channels get to the stereo recording?

    >
    >Some guesses:
    >
    >1. Y-cables
    >
    >2. Headphone splitter boxes used in reverse.
    >
    >3. Something similarly alarming.
    >
    >--scott


    Another time I resorted to chaining 5 crappy all-in-one P.A. heads at a
    church!
  5. Harvey Gerst

    Harvey Gerst Guest

    kirbyrochester@aol.com (KirbyRochester) wrote:
    >P.S.
    > Snare drums are SUPPOSED to sound like trash-can lids! ^_^


    No, China Boy cymbals are supposed to sound like trash can lids.

    Harvey Gerst
    Indian Trail Recording Studio
    http://www.ITRstudio.com/
  6. Carey Carlan

    Carey Carlan Guest

    kirbyrochester@aol.com (KirbyRochester) wrote in
    news:20030823174625.15796.00000578@mb-m12.aol.com:

    > Scrappy playing, scrappy recording, all penis! Yeah I'm proud baby. You
    > see if it doesn't sound scrappy then it won't have any "indie
    > credibility". Get with the times man!


    Outstanding!

    > For some unfathomable reason a lot of young people absolutely love this
    > song. You and I are probably too old to understand these yung-uns and
    > their newfangled electrique geetars! I would be turning in my grave if
    > I were dead!


    Now where did you read that I didn't like this song? I just said it was
    hard to hear behind that smiley face EQ without high or low end and layer
    upon layer of distortion.

    I think those young people might like it more if they could hear it a
    little better. (maybe not a LOT better) <g>
  7. Harvey Gerst <harvey@ITRstudio.com> wrote:

    > kirbyrochester@aol.com (KirbyRochester) wrote:
    > >P.S.
    > > Snare drums are SUPPOSED to sound like trash-can lids! ^_^

    >
    > No, China Boy cymbals are supposed to sound like trash can lids.


    Trashcan lids are lots cheaper.

    --
    ha
  8. >> For some unfathomable reason a lot of young people absolutely love this
    >> song. You and I are probably too old to understand these yung-uns and
    >> their newfangled electrique geetars! I would be turning in my grave if
    >> I were dead!

    >
    >Now where did you read that I didn't like this song? I just said it was
    >hard to hear behind that smiley face EQ without high or low end and layer
    >upon layer of distortion.


    I'm just yankin yer chain carey! ^_^
  9. >> kirbyrochester@aol.com (KirbyRochester) wrote:
    >> >P.S.
    >> > Snare drums are SUPPOSED to sound like trash-can lids! ^_^

    >>
    >> No, China Boy cymbals are supposed to sound like trash can lids.

    >
    >Trashcan lids are lots cheaper.


    That would be too easy!
  10. Why not, that's what the kids on the streets of DC use! <g>

    --


    Roger W. Norman
    SirMusic Studio
    Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
    See how far $20 really goes.




    "KirbyRochester" <kirbyrochester@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:20030823174625.15796.00000578@mb-m12.aol.com...
    > >This is a bad recording.
    > >
    > >And I think Kirby's kind of proud of that.

    >
    > Scrappy playing, scrappy recording, all penis! Yeah I'm proud baby.

    You
    > see if it doesn't sound scrappy then it won't have any "indie

    credibility". Get
    > with the times man!
    >
    > >Kirby, you confound me. 6 mics and "no preamps"? "no mixer"? How did
    > >those channels get to the stereo recording?

    >
    > Hey, strap enough gain pots and y-cords together and you got yourself

    a
    > "mixer" of sorts! The added bonus is copius amounts of high frequency
    > distortion on everything!
    >
    > >Behind that horrendous amount of distortion and lost bass/treble

    >
    > Did someone screw up the tranfser? Distortion... yes! I passed the

    mix
    > through at least 4 conversion stages just to get more crud and harsh

    harmonics
    > while adding a couple tiny parts. But the overall EQ is a smiley curve,
    > although considering the signal chain, the extreme top and bottom must

    have
    > been lopped off! This serves to "focus" the sound, removing extraneous
    > information that could distract the listener! It's the next step after

    dynamic
    > compression, it's spectral compression! If we chop off the extremes we can

    make
    > what's left LOUDER!
    >
    > >there's a
    > >decent song trying to emerge.

    >
    > For some unfathomable reason alot of young people absolutely love

    this
    > song. You and I are probably too old to understand these yung-uns and

    their
    > newfangled electrique geetars! I would be turning in my grave if I were

    dead!
    > ^_^
    >
    > >You have a decent balance of vocals,
    > >instruments, and percussion--excellent for a single pass recording.

    >
    > The balance was coming out too good for a single-pass recording so I

    took
    > it to the next level to make sure there was enough harsh harmonic

    distortion on
    > the hi-hat! Otherwise it just doesn't have that "punch"!
    >
    > >With some decent gear, this might work, but don't quit your day job.

    >
    > Wait'll you hear what I did to the 2nd movement of Beethovens 3rd!

    Picture
    > the scene: A concrete basement, a euphonium consort, a special euphonium,
    > ophelcide and basset horn arrangement of B's 3rd all under a intermittent
    > flourescent flicker... in walks... KIRBY ROCHESTER with nothing more than

    a
    > wax-cylinder, duct tape and a broom handle! This is the stuff of legend.
    >
    > P.S.
    > Snare drums are SUPPOSED to sound like trash-can lids! ^_^
    >
    >

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