Re: Bassman head project

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by Odin, Aug 23, 2003.

  1. "Odin" <res0jmoj@REMOVEverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:MV72b.10372$vy5.5564@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...

    > If you want the reverb and vibrato then the Bandmaster would be better,
    > although I always thought that the Bandmasters and Pro Reverbs were the
    > weaker sounding blackface amps compared to the Super Reverbs and Bassmans
    > and Twins.


    Agreed, 100%. However the reason for that is wimpy output transformers on
    those models. If you put a piece of big iron in those amps, they have an
    incredibly big tone! :)

    >
    > > Of course, if I happen to see an Allen Old Flame for $750, I'd just get

    > that
    > > instead! :)

    >
    > If you see 2 for $750 let me know and I'll probably pick one up myself.
    > They do turn up on ebay sometimes but they seem to hold their value pretty
    > well.


    Yeah - I occasionally see them pop up for $750 but it's rare. I bought an
    old flame a few years ago for $750 or so. Unfortunately, I sold it in order
    to finance an archtop guitar but I wish I had held onto it. They are great
    amps. On the other hand, Vibrolux reverbs are going for $700 or so these
    days. You can still get fender amps at bargain prices. It's not as bad as
    the used guitar market...You have to be willing to do some work on the amps
    though and the silverface amps have wiring that's not as neat as the BF amps
    so they're a tad more difficult to work with. Lots of times, they used one
    color wiring all the way through and didn't trim the wires down but that
    stuff doesn't bother me too much. The biggest trick is getting one that
    doesn't have rusted transformers.

    Jaz
  2. Zorro_2K wrote:

    > "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    > news:%4P1b.15910$2Y6.4949222@news2.news.adelphia.net...
    >
    >>I'm looking for a 50 watt fender reverb head/combo. Here's my idea. Take a
    >>'60s or '70s BF Fender bassman head. Remove the circuit board and rewire

    >
    > the
    >
    >>thing to be a single channel Fender AB763 reverb amp. I'm thinking that a
    >>small reverb tank might fit in the bassman head enclosure.
    >>
    >>I'd probably remove the existing circuit board altogether and try to make

    >
    > or
    >
    >>purchase a blank turret or eyelet board, preferably a "glass" one. I took

    >
    > a
    >
    >>look at some of the board kits out there but they are fairly expensive

    >
    > ($250
    >
    >>or more) and the AB763 board is for both channels and includes vibrato

    >
    > which
    >
    >>I wouldn't be implementing since the bassman only has 4 preamp tubes.
    >>
    >>Anyone done anything like this?
    >>
    >>--
    >>http://www.jackzucker.com
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    > Sounds like one of Polfus' projects...how to ruin a perfectly good amp .


    Dumb comment. If it's your perfectly good amp and you don't want it
    "ruined" in this way, don't do it. No problem.

    If it's not yours, then if the owner modifies it to his taste he's not
    "ruining" it, he's improving it. And it's really none of your business
    anyway. Again, no problem.

    Cheers,
    Fred
    --
    +--------------------------------------------+
    | Music: http://www3.telus.net/dogstarmusic/ |
    | Projects: http://dogstar.dantimax.dk |
    +--------------------------------------------+
  3. Miles O'Neal

    Miles O'Neal Guest

    On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:38:46 +0000, Zorro_2K wrote:
    > "Miles O'Neal" <meo@rru.com> wrote in message
    >> Hey! Are you *trying* to get this guy to start making
    >> nasty comments about Allen on the net? Because, based
    >> on consistent history, that is the inevitable result.

    > This is the first I have heard about this phenomenon. I've heard the Alen
    > Old Flame
    > being gigged and it sounds damn nice.....


    I'm refering to how a certain someone
    handles things, not the amps themselves.

    repeat {
    buy_new_amp(usually_for_big_bucks);
    if (get_random_percentage() > 50) {
    fall_madly_in_love();
    tell_world(THIS_IS_THE_BOMB);
    }
    wait(a_few_days);
    tell_world(THIS_AMP_SUCKS);
    } ad_infinitum;

    *That's* the pattern I'm refering to.
    Google has it all.
  4. PCollen

    PCollen Guest

    Fred Nachbaur <fnachbaur@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<nT92b.23812$ho5.296977@news2.telusplanet.net>...
    > Zorro_2K wrote:
    >
    > > "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    > > news:%4P1b.15910$2Y6.4949222@news2.news.adelphia.net...
    > >
    > >>I'm looking for a 50 watt fender reverb head/combo. Here's my idea. Take a
    > >>'60s or '70s BF Fender bassman head. Remove the circuit board and rewire

    > >
    > > the
    > >
    > >>thing to be a single channel Fender AB763 reverb amp. I'm thinking that a
    > >>small reverb tank might fit in the bassman head enclosure.
    > >>
    > >>I'd probably remove the existing circuit board altogether and try to make

    > >
    > > or
    > >
    > >>purchase a blank turret or eyelet board, preferably a "glass" one. I took

    > >
    > > a
    > >
    > >>look at some of the board kits out there but they are fairly expensive

    > >
    > > ($250
    > >
    > >>or more) and the AB763 board is for both channels and includes vibrato

    > >
    > > which
    > >
    > >>I wouldn't be implementing since the bassman only has 4 preamp tubes.
    > >>
    > >>Anyone done anything like this?
    > >>
    > >>--
    > >>http://www.jackzucker.com
    > >>

    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Sounds like one of Polfus' projects...how to ruin a perfectly good amp .

    >
    > Dumb comment. If it's your perfectly good amp and you don't want it
    > "ruined" in this way, don't do it. No problem.
    >
    > If it's not yours, then if the owner modifies it to his taste he's not
    > "ruining" it, he's improving it. And it's really none of your business
    > anyway. Again, no problem.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Fred


    Jack should consider buying a Music Man amp head, ripping out the
    preamp, and replacing it with the single channel Fender pre-amp he
    wants. He could get the MM cheaper .....
  5. "Miles O'Neal" <meo@rru.com> wrote in message
    > I'm refering to how a certain someone
    > handles things, not the amps themselves.
    >
    > repeat {
    > buy_new_amp(usually_for_big_bucks);
    > if (get_random_percentage() > 50) {
    > fall_madly_in_love();
    > tell_world(THIS_IS_THE_BOMB);
    > }
    > wait(a_few_days);
    > tell_world(THIS_AMP_SUCKS);
    > } ad_infinitum;


    And my version of how a "Miles the Wannabe" handles himself:

    do
    {
    BuyAmp();
    RestoreAmp();
    // Might as well comment out the following lines...
    if (MakeMusic)
    break;
    } while (ObsessedAboutJaz())

    Note the endless loop since Miles obviously spends more time obsessing
    about rather than making music.

    Anytime you wanna work this out Miles, send me an email. Until then,
    keep working on those chords to Stairway to Heaven.
  6. Hey Pat/Miles/Zorro:

    I'm flattered by your interest.

    How are the chords to Stairway to Heaven coming along?

    Did you get those audiofiles posted yet?

    All the best,

    Jaz
  7. Yoo-hoo Kevin... I love you too man. Can you say Grudge?

    "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:2f33c43f.0308250812.e9d641e@posting.google.com...
    > Hey Pat/Miles/Zorro:
    >
    > I'm flattered by your interest.
    >
    > How are the chords to Stairway to Heaven coming along?
    >
    > Did you get those audiofiles posted yet?
    >
    > All the best,
    >
    > Jaz
  8. Pat, I'll give you, Miles and Kevin a good rate on group lessons. Between
    the 3 of you, you should be able to play the first 3 chords of Stairway to
    Heaven.

    "PCollen" <pcollen@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:7c061413.0308250416.1016e8c3@posting.google.com...
    > Fred Nachbaur <fnachbaur@netscape.net> wrote in message

    news:<nT92b.23812$ho5.296977@news2.telusplanet.net>...
    > > Zorro_2K wrote:
    > >
    > > > "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:%4P1b.15910$2Y6.4949222@news2.news.adelphia.net...
    > > >
    > > >>I'm looking for a 50 watt fender reverb head/combo. Here's my idea.

    Take a
    > > >>'60s or '70s BF Fender bassman head. Remove the circuit board and

    rewire
    > > >
    > > > the
    > > >
    > > >>thing to be a single channel Fender AB763 reverb amp. I'm thinking

    that a
    > > >>small reverb tank might fit in the bassman head enclosure.
    > > >>
    > > >>I'd probably remove the existing circuit board altogether and try to

    make
    > > >
    > > > or
    > > >
    > > >>purchase a blank turret or eyelet board, preferably a "glass" one. I

    took
    > > >
    > > > a
    > > >
    > > >>look at some of the board kits out there but they are fairly expensive
    > > >
    > > > ($250
    > > >
    > > >>or more) and the AB763 board is for both channels and includes vibrato
    > > >
    > > > which
    > > >
    > > >>I wouldn't be implementing since the bassman only has 4 preamp tubes.
    > > >>
    > > >>Anyone done anything like this?
    > > >>
    > > >>--
    > > >>http://www.jackzucker.com
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Sounds like one of Polfus' projects...how to ruin a perfectly good amp

    ..
    > >
    > > Dumb comment. If it's your perfectly good amp and you don't want it
    > > "ruined" in this way, don't do it. No problem.
    > >
    > > If it's not yours, then if the owner modifies it to his taste he's not
    > > "ruining" it, he's improving it. And it's really none of your business
    > > anyway. Again, no problem.
    > >
    > > Cheers,
    > > Fred

    >
    > Jack should consider buying a Music Man amp head, ripping out the
    > preamp, and replacing it with the single channel Fender pre-amp he
    > wants. He could get the MM cheaper .....
  9. "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message news:<%4P1b.15910$2Y6.4949222@news2.news.adelphia.net>...

    > Anyone done anything like this?


    People have been doing this for 30+ years to the CBS BF & SF heads,
    since that's mostly all they're good for. But most of them learned to
    play guitar first, instead of wankering on & on about amp changes.
    :)
  10. Are you insinuating that I can't play guitar? Wanna jam sometime? :)

    www.jackzucker.com/JazGuitar/audiofiles.htm

    <lbrty4us@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:205ef942.0308250941.65460655@posting.google.com...
    > "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message

    news:<%4P1b.15910$2Y6.4949222@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
    >
    > > Anyone done anything like this?

    >
    > People have been doing this for 30+ years to the CBS BF & SF heads,
    > since that's mostly all they're good for. But most of them learned to
    > play guitar first, instead of wankering on & on about amp changes.
    > :)
  11. Lord Valve

    Lord Valve Guest

    Jack A. Zucker wrote:

    > Pat, I'll give you, Miles and Kevin a good rate on group lessons. Between
    > the 3 of you, you should be able to play the first 3 chords of Stairway to
    > Heaven.


    That has THREE chords? Damn, pretty advanced for
    rock music...

    Wonder what they'd do with "Bluesette"? ;-) ("Bluesette"
    is absolute proof that at least *one* harmonica player
    knows something about music theory...probably the only
    one, though... ;-)

    Lord Valve
    Organist
  12. Nil

    Nil Guest

    On 25 Aug 2003, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
    news:3F4A5587.68879B4D@ix.netcom.com:

    > Wonder what they'd do with "Bluesette"? ;-) ("Bluesette"
    > is absolute proof that at least *one* harmonica player
    > knows something about music theory...probably the only
    > one, though... ;-)


    Toots Thielman

    Larry Adler

    Stevie Wonder (maybe, but if not, he fakes playing through changes
    pretty well)
  13. "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
    news:3F4A5587.68879B4D@ix.netcom.com...
    >
    > That has THREE chords? Damn, pretty advanced for
    > rock music...
    >
    > Wonder what they'd do with "Bluesette"? ;-) ("Bluesette"
    > is absolute proof that at least *one* harmonica player
    > knows something about music theory...probably the only
    > one, though... ;-)


    That was Toots Thielman.

    "Toots" is the one sound that Miles, Pat and Kevin are adept at.

    Jaz
  14. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
    news:3F4A5587.68879B4D@ix.netcom.com...
    >
    >
    > Jack A. Zucker wrote:
    >
    > > Pat, I'll give you, Miles and Kevin a good rate on group lessons.

    Between
    > > the 3 of you, you should be able to play the first 3 chords of Stairway

    to
    > > Heaven.

    >
    > That has THREE chords? Damn, pretty advanced for
    > rock music...
    >
    > Wonder what they'd do with "Bluesette"? ;-) ("Bluesette"
    > is absolute proof that at least *one* harmonica player
    > knows something about music theory...probably the only
    > one, though... ;-)


    Oh man. I heard Toots and co. playing..."So What"? Maybe "Blue in Green"? on
    the radio a while back.
    ( www.wicn.org , if anyone cares) Something from "Kind of Blue" anyway.
    Stunning stuff.
  15. Lord Valve

    Lord Valve Guest

    Nil wrote:

    > On 25 Aug 2003, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
    > news:3F4A5587.68879B4D@ix.netcom.com:
    >
    > > Wonder what they'd do with "Bluesette"? ;-) ("Bluesette"
    > > is absolute proof that at least *one* harmonica player
    > > knows something about music theory...probably the only
    > > one, though... ;-)

    >
    > Toots Thielman
    >
    > Larry Adler
    >
    > Stevie Wonder (maybe, but if not, he fakes playing through changes
    > pretty well)



    OK, that's two more. I reckon we're done, eh? ;-)
    (And I do like Stevie a whole lot; I forgot about
    Adler, though.)
    LV
  16. Zorro_2K

    Zorro_2K Guest

    "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:wPr2b.18262$2Y6.5492730@news2.news.adelphia.net...
    > Pat, I'll give you, Miles and Kevin a good rate on group lessons. Between
    > the 3 of you, you should be able to play the first 3 chords of Stairway to
    > Heaven.


    LOL...actually, I'm still struggling with the Smoke on the Water riff ;-)

    Besides, you'd be too preoccupied with your amp problems to be a reliable
    teacher.
  17. Slar

    Slar Guest

    "Zorro_2K" <pcollenDELETETHIS@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:_9R2b.3374$OD4.212696@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
    >
    > "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    > news:wPr2b.18262$2Y6.5492730@news2.news.adelphia.net...
    > > Pat, I'll give you, Miles and Kevin a good rate on group lessons.

    Between
    > > the 3 of you, you should be able to play the first 3 chords of Stairway

    to
    > > Heaven.

    >
    > LOL...actually, I'm still struggling with the Smoke on the Water riff ;-)
    >
    > Besides, you'd be too preoccupied with your amp problems to be a reliable
    > teacher.


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  18. Jimmy

    Jimmy Guest

    There is nothing very complicated about this circuit . I would suggest that
    instead of perfoming this as a mod and trashing an otherwise nice amp that
    you build it from scratch. I never cared much for the " circuit board" style
    of wiring used in Fender Amps. I have built a few amps copying Fender design
    but used turret type tube sockets and ceramic terminal strips for wiring in
    the passive componets. Havent built an amp like this in a long time mostly
    because of the cost of power supply and output componets. Last I checked the
    Fender Power Supply and Output transformers cost over $500 together.

    "Jack A. Zucker" <jaz@jackzucker.com> wrote in message
    news:%4P1b.15910$2Y6.4949222@news2.news.adelphia.net...
    > I'm looking for a 50 watt fender reverb head/combo. Here's my idea. Take a
    > '60s or '70s BF Fender bassman head. Remove the circuit board and rewire

    the
    > thing to be a single channel Fender AB763 reverb amp. I'm thinking that a
    > small reverb tank might fit in the bassman head enclosure.
    >
    > I'd probably remove the existing circuit board altogether and try to make

    or
    > purchase a blank turret or eyelet board, preferably a "glass" one. I took

    a
    > look at some of the board kits out there but they are fairly expensive

    ($250
    > or more) and the AB763 board is for both channels and includes vibrato

    which
    > I wouldn't be implementing since the bassman only has 4 preamp tubes.
    >
    > Anyone done anything like this?
    >
    > --
    > http://www.jackzucker.com
    >
    >
  19. "Slar" <slar@slar.slar> wrote in message
    news:icS2b.25018$nf3.21227@fed1read07...
    > News Bulletin:
    >
    > Malcontent Jazz Musician Returns Gear to Self in Total Dissatisfaction.


    Touche! :)
  20. Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<3F4A5587.68879B4D@ix.netcom.com>...

    > That has THREE chords? Damn, pretty advanced for
    > rock music...


    I didn't know you B3 guys were aware of chords - I thought you just
    glissed everything & stopped wherever it seemed to work. :)

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