Re: Creating trumpet & trombone "plunger" sound with MIDI- Help!

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by Keys'n'Stix, Jul 23, 2003.

  1. Keys'n'Stix

    Keys'n'Stix Guest

    "Corrado Tuccitto" <corradotuccitto@virgilio.it> wrote in message
    news:RrhSa.848$t92.23190@news1.tin.it...
    > Hi all,
    > I need some siteweb for midiKaraoke international
    > "Kingy75" <kingy75@tpg.com.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
    > news:3f160e43@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
    > > Hi all,
    > > I need some help creating/reproducing a "plunger" effect/sound for a

    > trumpet
    > > and a trombone for a large MIDI sequencing project I'm currently working

    > on.
    > > Does everyone know what kind of sound I'm talking about? If you're not

    > sure
    > > think of some real old traditional jazz/swing tunes you may have heard

    in
    > > the past and imagine a trumpet or trombone soloing with a kind of

    > "wah-wah"
    > > sound on it - that's the sound I need to reproduce with MIDI.
    > > My initial thoughts are to use the Reso & Cutoff controllers, like when
    > > doing wah guitar with MIDI - any help here would be great, thanks.
    > >
    > > Cheers,
    > > Chris
    > >
    > > ps: I'm using a Roland SC8850 w/Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.03.
    > >
    > >
    > >

    Are you trying to recreate the sound of a 'mute' being used? Some jazz
    players and big band players use a mute or a bowler hat over the bell of the
    instrument and by moving it towards and away from the bell create a 'oo-wah'
    type of sound. Maybe altering the brightness (controller # 74) with Harmonic
    Content (Controller #71 ) could do that.

    Keys'n'Stix
  2. Kingy75 (kingy75@tpg.com.au) in 3f160e43@dnews.tpgi.com.au:

    > I need some help creating/reproducing a "plunger" effect/sound for a
    > trumpet and a trombone for a large MIDI sequencing project I'm
    > currently working on. Does everyone know what kind of sound I'm
    > talking about? If you're not sure think of some real old traditional
    > jazz/swing tunes you may have heard in the past and imagine a trumpet
    > or trombone soloing with a kind of "wah-wah" sound on it - that's the
    > sound I need to reproduce with MIDI.
    > My initial thoughts are to use the Reso & Cutoff controllers, like
    > when doing wah guitar with MIDI - any help here would be great,
    > thanks.


    I wonder if your plan will ever work with a wave table device like your
    Roland SC-8850.
    You would have a much bigger chance using virtual acoustics devices by
    Yamaha, like the VL70-m (hardware) or S-YXG100 (software) as they will
    respond to whatever controllers you turn out to need. (Note that the VL70-m
    and the virtual acoustics part of the S-YXG100 are monophonic.)

    --
    Chris Laarman
    (Amsterdam, NL)
  3. Keys'n'Stix

    Keys'n'Stix Guest

    "Chris Laarman" <v.c.laarman@hccnet.nl> wrote in message
    news:TdtTa.531866$gs1.33598411@amsnews03.chello.com...
    > Kingy75 (kingy75@tpg.com.au) in 3f160e43@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
    >
    > > I need some help creating/reproducing a "plunger" effect/sound for a
    > > trumpet and a trombone for a large MIDI sequencing project I'm
    > > currently working on. Does everyone know what kind of sound I'm
    > > talking about? If you're not sure think of some real old traditional
    > > jazz/swing tunes you may have heard in the past and imagine a trumpet
    > > or trombone soloing with a kind of "wah-wah" sound on it - that's the
    > > sound I need to reproduce with MIDI.
    > > My initial thoughts are to use the Reso & Cutoff controllers, like
    > > when doing wah guitar with MIDI - any help here would be great,
    > > thanks.

    >
    > I wonder if your plan will ever work with a wave table device like your
    > Roland SC-8850.
    > You would have a much bigger chance using virtual acoustics devices by
    > Yamaha, like the VL70-m (hardware) or S-YXG100 (software) as they will
    > respond to whatever controllers you turn out to need. (Note that the

    VL70-m
    > and the virtual acoustics part of the S-YXG100 are monophonic.)
    >
    > --
    > Chris Laarman
    > (Amsterdam, NL)




    I use a Yamaha MU100R for most of my stuff, and the VL instruments in that
    can respond to numerous special controllers i.e. Embouchure, Lip Pressure
    etc. It should be achievable with the type of device you suggest!

    Keys'n'Stix
    >
  4. The best plunger sound you can ever get is done by crossfading
    muted trumpet with open trumpet sound. Sounds great and can be
    done on any keyboard or module that allows crossfading between
    2 samples. My old Yamaha TG-55 module has pre programmed
    factory preset that does exactly that. Modulation Wheel is set for
    crossfading between 2 samples allowing you to "open and close"
    the mute playing any keyboard controller.

    --
    Please check out Production Music at:
    http://www.subverted.com/ssmusic/productionmusic.htm
    Film/advertisement/production libraries/multimedia/web sites.
    Serge Stodolnik.

    Tel: 214-324-9942. voice/fax.
    http://www.subverted.com
    ssmusic@wtd.net
    "Keys'n'Stix" <jan@simonsen.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:bflhud$mpj$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
    >
    > "Corrado Tuccitto" <corradotuccitto@virgilio.it> wrote in message
    > news:RrhSa.848$t92.23190@news1.tin.it...
    > > Hi all,
    > > I need some siteweb for midiKaraoke international
    > > "Kingy75" <kingy75@tpg.com.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
    > > news:3f160e43@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
    > > > Hi all,
    > > > I need some help creating/reproducing a "plunger" effect/sound for a

    > > trumpet
    > > > and a trombone for a large MIDI sequencing project I'm currently

    working
    > > on.
    > > > Does everyone know what kind of sound I'm talking about? If you're not

    > > sure
    > > > think of some real old traditional jazz/swing tunes you may have heard

    > in
    > > > the past and imagine a trumpet or trombone soloing with a kind of

    > > "wah-wah"
    > > > sound on it - that's the sound I need to reproduce with MIDI.
    > > > My initial thoughts are to use the Reso & Cutoff controllers, like

    when
    > > > doing wah guitar with MIDI - any help here would be great, thanks.
    > > >
    > > > Cheers,
    > > > Chris
    > > >
    > > > ps: I'm using a Roland SC8850 w/Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.03.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > Are you trying to recreate the sound of a 'mute' being used? Some jazz
    > players and big band players use a mute or a bowler hat over the bell of

    the
    > instrument and by moving it towards and away from the bell create a

    'oo-wah'
    > type of sound. Maybe altering the brightness (controller # 74) with

    Harmonic
    > Content (Controller #71 ) could do that.
    >
    > Keys'n'Stix
    >
    >
    >
  5. Keys'n'Stix

    Keys'n'Stix Guest

    I've just tried that using Cakewalk PA9! You're right. I took a mute trumpet
    on one track and open trumpet on another, set series of expression
    controller fade in and fade out over each and it sounds ok! Thanks Serge.

    Keys'n'Stix


    "Serge Stodolnik" <ssmusic@wtd.net> wrote in message
    news:3f1eeda7@sys13.hou.wt.net...
    > The best plunger sound you can ever get is done by crossfading
    > muted trumpet with open trumpet sound. Sounds great and can be
    > done on any keyboard or module that allows crossfading between
    > 2 samples. My old Yamaha TG-55 module has pre programmed
    > factory preset that does exactly that. Modulation Wheel is set for
    > crossfading between 2 samples allowing you to "open and close"
    > the mute playing any keyboard controller.
    >
    > --
    > Please check out Production Music at:
    > http://www.subverted.com/ssmusic/productionmusic.htm
    > Film/advertisement/production libraries/multimedia/web sites.
    > Serge Stodolnik.
    >
    > Tel: 214-324-9942. voice/fax.
    > http://www.subverted.com
    > ssmusic@wtd.net
    > "Keys'n'Stix" <jan@simonsen.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:bflhud$mpj$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
    > >
    > > "Corrado Tuccitto" <corradotuccitto@virgilio.it> wrote in message
    > > news:RrhSa.848$t92.23190@news1.tin.it...
    > > > Hi all,
    > > > I need some siteweb for midiKaraoke international
    > > > "Kingy75" <kingy75@tpg.com.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
    > > > news:3f160e43@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
    > > > > Hi all,
    > > > > I need some help creating/reproducing a "plunger" effect/sound for a
    > > > trumpet
    > > > > and a trombone for a large MIDI sequencing project I'm currently

    > working
    > > > on.
    > > > > Does everyone know what kind of sound I'm talking about? If you're

    not
    > > > sure
    > > > > think of some real old traditional jazz/swing tunes you may have

    heard
    > > in
    > > > > the past and imagine a trumpet or trombone soloing with a kind of
    > > > "wah-wah"
    > > > > sound on it - that's the sound I need to reproduce with MIDI.
    > > > > My initial thoughts are to use the Reso & Cutoff controllers, like

    > when
    > > > > doing wah guitar with MIDI - any help here would be great, thanks.
    > > > >
    > > > > Cheers,
    > > > > Chris
    > > > >
    > > > > ps: I'm using a Roland SC8850 w/Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.03.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >

    > > Are you trying to recreate the sound of a 'mute' being used? Some jazz
    > > players and big band players use a mute or a bowler hat over the bell of

    > the
    > > instrument and by moving it towards and away from the bell create a

    > 'oo-wah'
    > > type of sound. Maybe altering the brightness (controller # 74) with

    > Harmonic
    > > Content (Controller #71 ) could do that.
    > >
    > > Keys'n'Stix
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  6. Al Smith

    Al Smith Guest

    I don't think so.
    What are you using? Cup mute? Straight mute?

    It may be the sound you want, but it ain't the sound
    of the "magic plumber."

    Post a "do-wah."



    "Serge Stodolnik" <ssmusic@wtd.net> wrote in message
    news:3f1eeda7@sys13.hou.wt.net...
    > The best plunger sound you can ever get is done by crossfading
    > muted trumpet with open trumpet sound. Sounds great and can be
    > done on any keyboard or module that allows crossfading between
    > 2 samples. My old Yamaha TG-55 module has pre programmed
    > factory preset that does exactly that. Modulation Wheel is set for
    > crossfading between 2 samples allowing you to "open and close"
    > the mute playing any keyboard controller.
    >
    > --
    > Please check out Production Music at:
    > http://www.subverted.com/ssmusic/productionmusic.htm
    > Film/advertisement/production libraries/multimedia/web sites.
    > Serge Stodolnik.
    >
    > Tel: 214-324-9942. voice/fax.
    > http://www.subverted.com
    > ssmusic@wtd.net
    > "Keys'n'Stix" <jan@simonsen.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:bflhud$mpj$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
    > >
    > > "Corrado Tuccitto" <corradotuccitto@virgilio.it> wrote in message
    > > news:RrhSa.848$t92.23190@news1.tin.it...
    > > > Hi all,
    > > > I need some siteweb for midiKaraoke international
    > > > "Kingy75" <kingy75@tpg.com.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
    > > > news:3f160e43@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
    > > > > Hi all,
    > > > > I need some help creating/reproducing a "plunger" effect/sound for a
    > > > trumpet
    > > > > and a trombone for a large MIDI sequencing project I'm currently

    > working
    > > > on.
    > > > > Does everyone know what kind of sound I'm talking about? If you're

    not
    > > > sure
    > > > > think of some real old traditional jazz/swing tunes you may have

    heard
    > > in
    > > > > the past and imagine a trumpet or trombone soloing with a kind of
    > > > "wah-wah"
    > > > > sound on it - that's the sound I need to reproduce with MIDI.
    > > > > My initial thoughts are to use the Reso & Cutoff controllers, like

    > when
    > > > > doing wah guitar with MIDI - any help here would be great, thanks.
    > > > >
    > > > > Cheers,
    > > > > Chris
    > > > >
    > > > > ps: I'm using a Roland SC8850 w/Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.03.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >

    > > Are you trying to recreate the sound of a 'mute' being used? Some jazz
    > > players and big band players use a mute or a bowler hat over the bell of

    > the
    > > instrument and by moving it towards and away from the bell create a

    > 'oo-wah'
    > > type of sound. Maybe altering the brightness (controller # 74) with

    > Harmonic
    > > Content (Controller #71 ) could do that.
    > >
    > > Keys'n'Stix
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >

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