Re: External Soundcards

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by Jeffery S. Jones, Jul 22, 2003.

  1. On 21 Jul 2003 16:49:24 GMT, notejam@aol.com (Note Jam) wrote:

    >My own experience with running audio from guitar directly to a sound card
    >(sound blaster live) is that its very easy to overdirieve the sound card into
    >distortion, which somettimes sounds neat, but crud if you don't want it.
    >
    >It was not too satisfactory. Might do better to just mic your guitar amp,
    >since the card seems to do well with a mic input.
    >
    >Please post another message after you set it up, and let us know how good it
    >worked with that soundcard.


    Overdriving inputs is always a problem, but there are ways to deal
    with it. First, if you can reduce gain, dropping the input level can
    work out OK. Works best of course with sound cards with low noise on
    the input. Also, in digital recording, you want to watch your levels a
    lot during testing. Drop input level until no peaks hit zero (max) in
    rehearsal.

    Another good tool is a peak limiter -- hardware box, sometimes built
    into preamps. That means not running truly "direct" anymore, but
    there are nice direct boxes which are designed to give the direct-in
    sound at line level output.

    You can overload inputs with mikes, too, if you have loud enough
    sources.
    --
    *-__Jeffery Jones__________| *Starfire* |____________________-*
    ** Muskego WI Access Channel 14/25 <http://www.execpc.com/~jeffsj/mach7/>
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  2. One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to your
    PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.

    http://www.roberthenson.net
  3. On 23 Jul 2003 11:34:11 -0700, RobertJFHenson@hotmail.com (Robert
    Henson) wrote:

    >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to your
    >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.


    Not exactly. You can use a software synth to run soundfonts. I've
    considered that, because it would let me have a single audio device to
    swap between laptop and desktop machine, making it easier to justify
    spending a bit more on it.


    --
    *-__Jeffery Jones__________| *Starfire* |____________________-*
    ** Muskego WI Access Channel 14/25 <http://www.execpc.com/~jeffsj/mach7/>
    *Starfire Design Studio* <http://www.starfiredesign.com/>
  4. >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to your
    >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.


    You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    like) in software.

    CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
  5. Mark

    Mark Guest

    thats what I have done, I have a laptop running home studio 2002 on windows
    xp, just got me an Edirol UA-20 and usually use the VSC that came with home
    studio but I have recently downloaded a trial version of livesynth pro where
    you can download loads and loads of soundfonts or create your own and it
    gives you an infinate posibility of sounds whether its instruments or drums
    you want all at very high quality as the edirol is 24-bit. I wouldn't have
    it any other way except maybe junk home studio and get me a copy of Cubase
    SX (it is the industry standard after all).


    "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:8bvthv0nuv0vh04mrvaq3o69l2cdb8f9sg@4ax.com...
    > >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to your
    > >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.

    >
    > You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    > like) in software.
    >
    > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
  6. Olushola

    Olushola Guest

    Mark,
    Before you got the UA-20, did you have latency problems when recording from
    your controller, and did the UA-20 resolve this?
    Olushola

    "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:ygYTa.56843$Df6.27922@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    > thats what I have done, I have a laptop running home studio 2002 on

    windows
    > xp, just got me an Edirol UA-20 and usually use the VSC that came with

    home
    > studio but I have recently downloaded a trial version of livesynth pro

    where
    > you can download loads and loads of soundfonts or create your own and it
    > gives you an infinate posibility of sounds whether its instruments or

    drums
    > you want all at very high quality as the edirol is 24-bit. I wouldn't have
    > it any other way except maybe junk home studio and get me a copy of Cubase
    > SX (it is the industry standard after all).
    >
    >
    > "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:8bvthv0nuv0vh04mrvaq3o69l2cdb8f9sg@4ax.com...
    > > >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to your
    > > >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.

    > >
    > > You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    > > like) in software.
    > >
    > > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm

    >
    >
  7. Mark

    Mark Guest

    I didn't do any recording until I got the edirol, when recording audio track
    ie guitar, I don't suffer from any latency whatsoever but when recording
    MIDI using the vsc soft synth I get loads, but I am using windows XP and
    there are loads of things for me to try most of them are listed on this
    website www.musicxp.net My computer is definately powerfull enough to make
    music so I don't think any of the problems I have are down to the edirol, I
    have a laptop with a desktop p4 2.6Ghz chip with 1GB DDR Ram, 64Mb Graphics
    card (I'm told that the graphics card could also be the problem because this
    and the edirol are using same IRQ, so thats something else for me to play
    with).

    Mark

    "Olushola" <balagi@starpower.net> wrote in message
    news:bfqeu6$pct$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
    > Mark,
    > Before you got the UA-20, did you have latency problems when recording

    from
    > your controller, and did the UA-20 resolve this?
    > Olushola
    >
    > "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:ygYTa.56843$Df6.27922@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    > > thats what I have done, I have a laptop running home studio 2002 on

    > windows
    > > xp, just got me an Edirol UA-20 and usually use the VSC that came with

    > home
    > > studio but I have recently downloaded a trial version of livesynth pro

    > where
    > > you can download loads and loads of soundfonts or create your own and it
    > > gives you an infinate posibility of sounds whether its instruments or

    > drums
    > > you want all at very high quality as the edirol is 24-bit. I wouldn't

    have
    > > it any other way except maybe junk home studio and get me a copy of

    Cubase
    > > SX (it is the industry standard after all).
    > >
    > >
    > > "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in

    message
    > > news:8bvthv0nuv0vh04mrvaq3o69l2cdb8f9sg@4ax.com...
    > > > >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to your
    > > > >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.
    > > >
    > > > You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    > > > like) in software.
    > > >
    > > > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  8. JB Seattle

    JB Seattle Guest

    Using Windows XP with Sonar and the VSC-MP1(DXi) should eliminate the
    latency for you--we found no audible latency when we tested Sonar.
    Sonar takes advantage of the WDM driver system in Windows and with DXi
    softsynths seemed to equal or surpass the ASIO/VST systems we compared it
    to.
    HB
    "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:7g9Ua.61205$Df6.54619@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    > I didn't do any recording until I got the edirol, when recording audio

    track
    > ie guitar, I don't suffer from any latency whatsoever but when recording
    > MIDI using the vsc soft synth I get loads, but I am using windows XP and
    > there are loads of things for me to try most of them are listed on this
    > website www.musicxp.net My computer is definately powerfull enough to make
    > music so I don't think any of the problems I have are down to the edirol,

    I
    > have a laptop with a desktop p4 2.6Ghz chip with 1GB DDR Ram, 64Mb

    Graphics
    > card (I'm told that the graphics card could also be the problem because

    this
    > and the edirol are using same IRQ, so thats something else for me to play
    > with).
    >
    > Mark
    >
    > "Olushola" <balagi@starpower.net> wrote in message
    > news:bfqeu6$pct$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
    > > Mark,
    > > Before you got the UA-20, did you have latency problems when recording

    > from
    > > your controller, and did the UA-20 resolve this?
    > > Olushola
    > >
    > > "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    > > news:ygYTa.56843$Df6.27922@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    > > > thats what I have done, I have a laptop running home studio 2002 on

    > > windows
    > > > xp, just got me an Edirol UA-20 and usually use the VSC that came with

    > > home
    > > > studio but I have recently downloaded a trial version of livesynth pro

    > > where
    > > > you can download loads and loads of soundfonts or create your own and

    it
    > > > gives you an infinate posibility of sounds whether its instruments or

    > > drums
    > > > you want all at very high quality as the edirol is 24-bit. I wouldn't

    > have
    > > > it any other way except maybe junk home studio and get me a copy of

    > Cubase
    > > > SX (it is the industry standard after all).
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in

    > message
    > > > news:8bvthv0nuv0vh04mrvaq3o69l2cdb8f9sg@4ax.com...
    > > > > >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to your
    > > > > >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.
    > > > >
    > > > > You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    > > > > like) in software.
    > > > >
    > > > > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >
  9. Mark

    Mark Guest

    does that include home studio 2002 or is sonar the better option for latency
    and dropout problems?

    "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:XfcUa.21201$Mc.1610292@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
    > Using Windows XP with Sonar and the VSC-MP1(DXi) should eliminate the
    > latency for you--we found no audible latency when we tested Sonar.
    > Sonar takes advantage of the WDM driver system in Windows and with DXi
    > softsynths seemed to equal or surpass the ASIO/VST systems we compared it
    > to.
    > HB
    > "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:7g9Ua.61205$Df6.54619@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    > > I didn't do any recording until I got the edirol, when recording audio

    > track
    > > ie guitar, I don't suffer from any latency whatsoever but when recording
    > > MIDI using the vsc soft synth I get loads, but I am using windows XP and
    > > there are loads of things for me to try most of them are listed on this
    > > website www.musicxp.net My computer is definately powerfull enough to

    make
    > > music so I don't think any of the problems I have are down to the

    edirol,
    > I
    > > have a laptop with a desktop p4 2.6Ghz chip with 1GB DDR Ram, 64Mb

    > Graphics
    > > card (I'm told that the graphics card could also be the problem because

    > this
    > > and the edirol are using same IRQ, so thats something else for me to

    play
    > > with).
    > >
    > > Mark
    > >
    > > "Olushola" <balagi@starpower.net> wrote in message
    > > news:bfqeu6$pct$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
    > > > Mark,
    > > > Before you got the UA-20, did you have latency problems when recording

    > > from
    > > > your controller, and did the UA-20 resolve this?
    > > > Olushola
    > > >
    > > > "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    > > > news:ygYTa.56843$Df6.27922@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    > > > > thats what I have done, I have a laptop running home studio 2002 on
    > > > windows
    > > > > xp, just got me an Edirol UA-20 and usually use the VSC that came

    with
    > > > home
    > > > > studio but I have recently downloaded a trial version of livesynth

    pro
    > > > where
    > > > > you can download loads and loads of soundfonts or create your own

    and
    > it
    > > > > gives you an infinate posibility of sounds whether its instruments

    or
    > > > drums
    > > > > you want all at very high quality as the edirol is 24-bit. I

    wouldn't
    > > have
    > > > > it any other way except maybe junk home studio and get me a copy of

    > > Cubase
    > > > > SX (it is the industry standard after all).
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in

    > > message
    > > > > news:8bvthv0nuv0vh04mrvaq3o69l2cdb8f9sg@4ax.com...
    > > > > > >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to

    your
    > > > > > >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    > > > > > like) in software.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  10. How did you do that? I have tried sevral soft synths on my PC and laptop
    and all I get is cheesy sounds that sound like the midi files you hear on
    webpages. I d/l roland vsc, yamahas. etc., and nothing sounds good. I
    admit I'm almost totally clueless about this stuff, but not ignorant about
    computers in general. Is there anywhere I can go to learn how to get decent
    realistic sounds out of my computer? Or is there a good book out there?
    TIA for any help/advice




    "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:ygYTa.56843$Df6.27922@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    > thats what I have done, I have a laptop running home studio 2002 on

    windows
    > xp, just got me an Edirol UA-20 and usually use the VSC that came with

    home
    > studio but I have recently downloaded a trial version of livesynth pro

    where
    > you can download loads and loads of soundfonts or create your own and it
    > gives you an infinate posibility of sounds whether its instruments or

    drums
    > you want all at very high quality as the edirol is 24-bit. I wouldn't have
    > it any other way except maybe junk home studio and get me a copy of Cubase
    > SX (it is the industry standard after all).
    >
    >
    > "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:8bvthv0nuv0vh04mrvaq3o69l2cdb8f9sg@4ax.com...
    > > >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to your
    > > >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.

    > >
    > > You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    > > like) in software.
    > >
    > > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm

    >
    >
  11. Olushola

    Olushola Guest

    I'm a little confused about the VSC-MP1. Web sites mention using it in the
    playback mode. Can I use it during the recording process as well? Does it
    show
    up as a MIDI Output Device in Sonar?

    Olushola

    "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:XfcUa.21201$Mc.1610292@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
    > Using Windows XP with Sonar and the VSC-MP1(DXi) should eliminate the
    > latency for you--we found no audible latency when we tested Sonar.
    > Sonar takes advantage of the WDM driver system in Windows and with DXi
    > softsynths seemed to equal or surpass the ASIO/VST systems we compared it
    > to.
    > HB
    > "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:7g9Ua.61205$Df6.54619@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    > > I didn't do any recording until I got the edirol, when recording audio

    > track
    > > ie guitar, I don't suffer from any latency whatsoever but when recording
    > > MIDI using the vsc soft synth I get loads, but I am using windows XP and
    > > there are loads of things for me to try most of them are listed on this
    > > website www.musicxp.net My computer is definately powerfull enough to

    make
    > > music so I don't think any of the problems I have are down to the

    edirol,
    > I
    > > have a laptop with a desktop p4 2.6Ghz chip with 1GB DDR Ram, 64Mb

    > Graphics
    > > card (I'm told that the graphics card could also be the problem because

    > this
    > > and the edirol are using same IRQ, so thats something else for me to

    play
    > > with).
    > >
    > > Mark
    > >
    > > "Olushola" <balagi@starpower.net> wrote in message
    > > news:bfqeu6$pct$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
    > > > Mark,
    > > > Before you got the UA-20, did you have latency problems when recording

    > > from
    > > > your controller, and did the UA-20 resolve this?
    > > > Olushola
    > > >
    > > > "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    > > > news:ygYTa.56843$Df6.27922@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    > > > > thats what I have done, I have a laptop running home studio 2002 on
    > > > windows
    > > > > xp, just got me an Edirol UA-20 and usually use the VSC that came

    with
    > > > home
    > > > > studio but I have recently downloaded a trial version of livesynth

    pro
    > > > where
    > > > > you can download loads and loads of soundfonts or create your own

    and
    > it
    > > > > gives you an infinate posibility of sounds whether its instruments

    or
    > > > drums
    > > > > you want all at very high quality as the edirol is 24-bit. I

    wouldn't
    > > have
    > > > > it any other way except maybe junk home studio and get me a copy of

    > > Cubase
    > > > > SX (it is the industry standard after all).
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in

    > > message
    > > > > news:8bvthv0nuv0vh04mrvaq3o69l2cdb8f9sg@4ax.com...
    > > > > > >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to

    your
    > > > > > >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    > > > > > like) in software.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  12. On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:50:19 -0700, "Olushola" <balagi@starpower.net>
    wrote:

    >I'm a little confused about the VSC-MP1. Web sites mention using it in the
    >playback mode. Can I use it during the recording process as well? Does it
    >show
    >up as a MIDI Output Device in Sonar?


    It can be run as a system MIDI device -- that is the normal way to
    do it. You can use it for playback just fine. When recording, you'll
    have a delay between note play and sound -- that is latency.

    How much depends on the sound card and synth. A good card should
    give you good response -- 10ms or less. Even a mid-range card should
    manage 20-30ms, which is close enough that it can work for many
    playing styles.

    Sonar comes bundled with the DXi version of the VSC-MP1, which you
    can select like any other DXi.

    >"JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >news:XfcUa.21201$Mc.1610292@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
    >> Using Windows XP with Sonar and the VSC-MP1(DXi) should eliminate the
    >> latency for you--we found no audible latency when we tested Sonar.
    >> Sonar takes advantage of the WDM driver system in Windows and with DXi
    >> softsynths seemed to equal or surpass the ASIO/VST systems we compared it
    >> to.
    >> HB
    >> "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    >> news:7g9Ua.61205$Df6.54619@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    >> > I didn't do any recording until I got the edirol, when recording audio

    >> track
    >> > ie guitar, I don't suffer from any latency whatsoever but when recording
    >> > MIDI using the vsc soft synth I get loads, but I am using windows XP and
    >> > there are loads of things for me to try most of them are listed on this
    >> > website www.musicxp.net My computer is definately powerfull enough to

    >make
    >> > music so I don't think any of the problems I have are down to the

    >edirol,
    >> I
    >> > have a laptop with a desktop p4 2.6Ghz chip with 1GB DDR Ram, 64Mb

    >> Graphics
    >> > card (I'm told that the graphics card could also be the problem because

    >> this
    >> > and the edirol are using same IRQ, so thats something else for me to

    >play
    >> > with).
    >> >
    >> > Mark
    >> >
    >> > "Olushola" <balagi@starpower.net> wrote in message
    >> > news:bfqeu6$pct$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
    >> > > Mark,
    >> > > Before you got the UA-20, did you have latency problems when recording
    >> > from
    >> > > your controller, and did the UA-20 resolve this?
    >> > > Olushola
    >> > >
    >> > > "Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    >> > > news:ygYTa.56843$Df6.27922@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    >> > > > thats what I have done, I have a laptop running home studio 2002 on
    >> > > windows
    >> > > > xp, just got me an Edirol UA-20 and usually use the VSC that came

    >with
    >> > > home
    >> > > > studio but I have recently downloaded a trial version of livesynth

    >pro
    >> > > where
    >> > > > you can download loads and loads of soundfonts or create your own

    >and
    >> it
    >> > > > gives you an infinate posibility of sounds whether its instruments

    >or
    >> > > drums
    >> > > > you want all at very high quality as the edirol is 24-bit. I

    >wouldn't
    >> > have
    >> > > > it any other way except maybe junk home studio and get me a copy of
    >> > Cubase
    >> > > > SX (it is the industry standard after all).
    >> > > >
    >> > > >
    >> > > > "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
    >> > message
    >> > > > news:8bvthv0nuv0vh04mrvaq3o69l2cdb8f9sg@4ax.com...
    >> > > > > >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to

    >your
    >> > > > > >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.
    >> > > > >
    >> > > > > You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    >> > > > > like) in software.
    >> > > > >
    >> > > > > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
    >> > > >
    >> > > >
    >> > >

    >

    --
    *-__Jeffery Jones__________| *Starfire* |____________________-*
    ** Muskego WI Access Channel 14/25 <http://www.execpc.com/~jeffsj/mach7/>
    *Starfire Design Studio* <http://www.starfiredesign.com/>
  13. On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:43:18 GMT, "news.verizon.net"
    <rom.dos@verizon.net> wrote:

    >How did you do that? I have tried sevral soft synths on my PC and laptop
    >and all I get is cheesy sounds that sound like the midi files you hear on
    >webpages. I d/l roland vsc, yamahas. etc., and nothing sounds good. I
    >admit I'm almost totally clueless about this stuff, but not ignorant about
    >computers in general. Is there anywhere I can go to learn how to get decent
    >realistic sounds out of my computer? Or is there a good book out there?
    >TIA for any help/advice


    How good do you want?

    Roland VSC MP1 should be pretty good -- the sample set is that of
    the SC88Pro, a huge step above the old FM synths common on older PCs,
    and still above the WinME/2k/XP default MS software synth.

    Now, a lot of files are cheesy because they are written that way. A
    better synth will get you better sounds, but it won't magically make
    the performance better.

    However -- and this does matter -- if you install a software synth,
    it won't automatically replace whatever synth your system is using to
    play MIDI files. You need to go to the audio properties/sounds
    control panel, and change the system's MIDI device.

    A good MIDI player program will let you select the MIDI playback
    device within itself, making it easier to try out different ones
    installed on your system. I use Vanbasco's Player --
    www.vanbasco.com, freeware -- and it is easy to use for this sort of
    testing (and for playing files of course).

    But how realistic do you want it? Getting very good results
    requires both good MIDI file creation -- sequencing and playing talent
    -- as well as a good synth to play the song with. There is no upper
    limit really, but you can spend quite a bit to get very good sound
    quality. Whereas the stuff available at low cost is above merely
    adequate, but still won't quite blow you away with realism.



    >"Mark" <mark@exellite.co.uk> wrote in message
    >news:ygYTa.56843$Df6.27922@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
    >> thats what I have done, I have a laptop running home studio 2002 on

    >windows
    >> xp, just got me an Edirol UA-20 and usually use the VSC that came with

    >home
    >> studio but I have recently downloaded a trial version of livesynth pro

    >where
    >> you can download loads and loads of soundfonts or create your own and it
    >> gives you an infinate posibility of sounds whether its instruments or

    >drums
    >> you want all at very high quality as the edirol is 24-bit. I wouldn't have
    >> it any other way except maybe junk home studio and get me a copy of Cubase
    >> SX (it is the industry standard after all).
    >>
    >>
    >> "Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
    >> news:8bvthv0nuv0vh04mrvaq3o69l2cdb8f9sg@4ax.com...
    >> > >One warning about external soundcards. They have no access to your
    >> > >PCmemory so things like soundfonts etc. are out of the question.
    >> >
    >> > You can run your SoundFonts (and more advanced sample sets if you
    >> > like) in software.
    >> >
    >> > CubaseFAQ page www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm

    >>
    >>

    >


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  14. Thanks a lot for your response

    > Now, a lot of files are cheesy because they are written that way. A
    > better synth will get you better sounds, but it won't magically make
    > the performance better.'


    I don't mean the performance is cheesy..it's the sounds. I thought MIDI was
    just a set of instructions, and didn't have any inherent "quality" therefore
    if you play it back through a high-quality synth it will sound good, but
    people keep telling me "if you get a sucky MIDI file"..etc.



    You need to go to the audio properties/sounds
    > control panel, and change the system's MIDI device.


    Which I have done several times..also selected it in Cakewalk, but no matter
    which synth source I select the MIDI files sound exactly the same as if it's
    still using the standard crappy sound generator.



    > A good MIDI player program will let you select the MIDI playback
    > device within itself, making it easier to try out different ones
    > installed on your system. I use Vanbasco's Player --
    > www.vanbasco.com , freeware -- and it is easy to use for this sort of
    > testing (and for playing files of course).


    I'll check it out


    >
    > But how realistic do you want it? Getting very good results
    > requires both good MIDI file creation -- sequencing and playing talent
    > -- as well as a good synth to play the song with. There is no upper
    > limit really, but you can spend quite a bit to get very good sound
    > quality. Whereas the stuff available at low cost is above merely
    > adequate, but still won't quite blow you away with realism.


    I heard an mp3 of a MIDI file on a soundblaster website which was created
    with the Live! card and it sounded fantastic to my ears..I couldn't tell it
    from the real song, but when I played the MIDI through my Live! card it
    sounded like shite (as it always does) I gues they used some different
    soundfonts or something.

    I know this stuff can't be all that difficult to learn, but I can't even
    seem to get started. If you could direct me to any sources of good
    information it would be greatly appreciated. Anything to get nice sounds,
    not toy-like sounds will be great.

    thanks
  15. Daqs

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    thank you very much.

    I am learning alot by reading the posts and feel like a lurker. I found the site through /search function and am happy i did.

    As I learn I will try to help too!

    Thanks again,
  16. Old Nick

    Old Nick Guest

    On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:21:16 -0500, Jeffery S. Jones
    <jeffsj@execpc.com> wrote something
    .......and in reply I say!:

    Sounds as if you need to set the Port and the Channel, and Patch, not
    the Source. The Source decides what CW "hears" not what it sends out.

    Having said that, the Source column does not allow synth names. Can
    you describe your steps? In fact settings for each column for a Track,
    and CW's Tools/MIDI Devices settings as well.

    Where are your amp/speakers attached to listen to the MIDI?

    >>Which I have done several times..also selected it in Cakewalk, but no matter
    >>which synth source I select the MIDI files sound exactly the same as if it's
    >>still using the standard crappy sound generator.


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    sorry but duuno that ^^

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