Re: Please Critique this mix - there are some great respected ears in

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Patric D'Eimon, Sep 2, 2003.

  1. David Kalmusky wrote:

    > Please, Please, do NOT....
    >
    > .....don't say you don't like the girls voice, you don't like the
    > song, that there is too much stuff going on, or not enough stuff,
    > it's too sparce etc.....
    >
    > Those are Production details, which I am NOT looking for a critique
    > on.
    >
    > <SNIP>


    > All sonic thoughts, critiques, praise, dislikes, and advice are
    > welcome.
    >


    Those thoughts seem to be contradictory but at any rate... I think you
    have a terrific mix. I like the girls voice. Why so many disclaimers.
    Country music is just as valid as any other music mushy or not. Let's
    see some back bone. My system has everything about in the right place
    and it sounds nice. Here's the stuff you said you don't want. I think
    you need a stronger statement/melody in the intro. The fiddle or the
    pedal or even the wurli would be nice to hear it stronger. At the "b"
    part of the 1st verse you lose the singer and the story she is singing.
    From "I thought by now" to "anticipating" is unclear like you are trying
    to hide the lyrics. This treatment reminds me of Shelby Lynne's "I Lie
    Myself To Sleep" on Tough All Over. Only I can always follow Shelby's
    words and the song story.

    I also think that in the chorus you need to pull the hi hat pattern up
    to 16th notes where you do the staccato figure. My ears just want to
    hear something more intense and pushy there. Maybe not the HH but
    something needed to happen there. Maybe a counter BG layer or
    something. Also in the 1/2 chorus that serves as a bridge it would be
    nice to have a quicker pulse for just a few bars where it's staccato.
    Last...I wanted to hear a full chorus again at the end. I wasn't done
    with the song where you ended it. I wanted it to take me farther. If
    I'm going to invest my attention in your song I was my full moneys
    worth. Don't go skipping out early. That's about it. I like the voice
    alot. Sounds alot like Shelby Lynne.

    Patric
  2. That's it...the string line before verse 2, "I catch my breath" would
    make a terrific intro. Patric

    David Kalmusky wrote:

    > Please, Please, do NOT....
    >
    > .....don't say you don't like the girls voice, you don't like the
    > song, that there is too much stuff going on, or not enough stuff,
    > it's too sparce etc.....
    >
    > Those are Production details, which I am NOT looking for a critique
    > on.
    >
    > I AM HOWEVER hoping to get some thoughts from some great professional
    > ears that post in here on a frequent basis.
    >
    > It's a mushy, new country ballad, so many of you won't like the
    > song, or the production right off the bat.
    >
    > There is however, lots of stuff going on.....and at times, not much
    > at all.
    >
    > The track has...
    >
    > Drums (lots of drum room)
    > Bass
    > 3 Acoustics
    > Whirlitzer
    > Grand Piano
    > Mandolin
    > 4 electric guitars
    > 9 piece string section
    > Synth Pad
    > 3 vocals
    >
    > I know mp3 is a horrible sonic representation compared to a hi-res
    > mix, obviously take that into account, I don't have the bandwidth for
    > the potential traffic generated by this post, for everyone to
    > download a 38meg 44,100 16 aiff
    >
    > Basically, I'm going for an intimate sounding, warm, wide mix, and
    > need to know if I'm getting there by leaving most things flat, and
    > dry, except for the vocals.
    >
    > Intimate, and "organic" can easilly cross into "amateur" mode, and
    > sound like a rough 2, lots of room, no rev on anything except for the
    > vocals and steel guitar.
    >
    > All sonic thoughts, critiques, praise, dislikes, and advice are
    > welcome.
    >
    > http://members.rogers.com/studio/Heart'sStillBreaking.mp3
    >
    > --
    >
    > David Kalmusky
    >
    > Visit the "DRAWER OF SHAME" if you dare,
    > audio that should never be heard !!!
    > http://www.kalmusky.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40
    >
    > Or...
    >
    > Post your crazy studio mishaps,
    > and funny studio stories, in my
    > "studio s
    > HOSes forum"
    > http://www.kalmusky.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=6
  3. Ha! Now that I listen again....that's what IS there isn't it. I'm done
    now. Patric

    David Kalmusky wrote:

    > Please, Please, do NOT....
    >
    > .....don't say you don't like the girls voice, you don't like the
    > song, that there is too much stuff going on, or not enough stuff,
    > it's too sparce etc.....
    >
    > Those are Production details, which I am NOT looking for a critique
    > on.
    >
    > I AM HOWEVER hoping to get some thoughts from some great professional
    > ears that post in here on a frequent basis.
    >
    > It's a mushy, new country ballad, so many of you won't like the
    > song, or the production right off the bat.
    >
    > There is however, lots of stuff going on.....and at times, not much
    > at all.
    >
    > The track has...
    >
    > Drums (lots of drum room)
    > Bass
    > 3 Acoustics
    > Whirlitzer
    > Grand Piano
    > Mandolin
    > 4 electric guitars
    > 9 piece string section
    > Synth Pad
    > 3 vocals
    >
    > I know mp3 is a horrible sonic representation compared to a hi-res
    > mix, obviously take that into account, I don't have the bandwidth for
    > the potential traffic generated by this post, for everyone to
    > download a 38meg 44,100 16 aiff
    >
    > Basically, I'm going for an intimate sounding, warm, wide mix, and
    > need to know if I'm getting there by leaving most things flat, and
    > dry, except for the vocals.
    >
    > Intimate, and "organic" can easilly cross into "amateur" mode, and
    > sound like a rough 2, lots of room, no rev on anything except for the
    > vocals and steel guitar.
    >
    > All sonic thoughts, critiques, praise, dislikes, and advice are
    > welcome.
    >
    > http://members.rogers.com/studio/Heart'sStillBreaking.mp3
    >
    > --
    >
    > David Kalmusky
    >
    > Visit the "DRAWER OF SHAME" if you dare,
    > audio that should never be heard !!!
    > http://www.kalmusky.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40
    >
    > Or...
    >
    > Post your crazy studio mishaps,
    > and funny studio stories, in my
    > "studio s
    > HOSes forum"
    > http://www.kalmusky.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=6
  4. Sorry. On one listen through I heard the string line before the 2nd verse
    and fired off a reply saying that would be a good intro figure. When I
    listened to the piece again from the beginning I saw that indeed the string
    line was right where I suggested it should be. Probably why I thought it was
    such a good idea. Ha! I should have referenced the post I posted right
    before this one (that one?).

    Who is the artist? Where is she in her career? Is this her first project?
    Good work and good luck. Patric

    David Kalmusky wrote:

    > In article <3F54335C.6FDB4C28@gci.net>, patric@gci.net says...
    > > Ha! Now that I listen again....that's what IS there isn't it. I'm done
    > > now. Patric
    > >

    >
    > Can you please elaborate ??? I'm not sure i get it ??
    >
    > David Kalmusky

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