Redbook CD/Firewire Drive/Mac

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Mike Caffrey, Aug 21, 2003.

  1. Mike Caffrey

    Mike Caffrey Guest

    Is there anyway to brun a rebook standard CD with an internal or firewire
    drive using a Mac? I can do ithe with MasterList CD and a SCSI drive but
    Iv'e heard that Jam does not burn redbook standad CDs and Toast doesn't
    allow you to tweak the P&Q codes. what can I use on a G4 running 9.2?



    www.monsterisland.com
  2. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << Is there anyway to brun a rebook standard CD with an internal or firewire
    drive using a Mac? >>

    I burn discs with Jam on a firewire drive and a mac.

    << Iv'e heard that Jam does not burn redbook standad CDs and Toast doesn't
    allow you to tweak the P&Q codes. >>

    I have not heard that. I used to use Jam 2.6 and now use the Jam 5 and Toast
    combo. Works great. I have recently sent discs to EMI, Sony, BMG and
    Universal plants that were all accepted and released, so something must be
    working.



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  3. You can get aPCI SCSI card for next to nothing nowadaze. Assuming your
    G4 isn't a powerbook or ibook, and assuming you already own MLCD,
    that's probably the cheapes way to go.

    On the other hand, I'd be surprised if a disc written by Jam isn't
    replicator-ready. There may be some index manipulation that you can't
    do as well as with MLCD, but that's about it.

    ulysses


    In article <mike-2108030414090001@mcaff.dialup.access.net>, Mike
    Caffrey <mike@monsterisland.com> wrote:

    > Is there anyway to brun a rebook standard CD with an internal or firewire
    > drive using a Mac? I can do ithe with MasterList CD and a SCSI drive but
    > Iv'e heard that Jam does not burn redbook standad CDs and Toast doesn't
    > allow you to tweak the P&Q codes. what can I use on a G4 running 9.2?
  4. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << There may be some index manipulation that you can't do as well as with
    MLCD, but that's about it. >>

    MLCD is a very cool program and compared to Jam you nailed it. Of course Digi
    doesn't support MLCD anymore.

    Also a goofy part of Jam (that I find goofy, anyway) is on the PQ sheet, you
    can't rename the song titles like you can in MLCD. THAT sucks.


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  5. Chris Smalt

    Chris Smalt Guest

    Mike Caffrey <mike@monsterisland.com> wrote:

    > Is there anyway to brun a rebook standard CD with an internal or firewire
    > drive using a Mac? I can do ithe with MasterList CD and a SCSI drive but
    > Iv'e heard that Jam does not burn redbook standad CDs and Toast doesn't
    > allow you to tweak the P&Q codes. what can I use on a G4 running 9.2?




    Which PQ codes would you like to tweak? Jam and Toast both make CDs
    that are acceptable for replication, only Toast can't create a PQ list
    as is usually required by the plant. You can also look into Waveburner
    by Emagic. Its user interface is a bit like Sonic Solutions, and it can
    work with VST plugins. I don't know why it hardly gets mentioned.


    Chris
  6. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << Which PQ codes would you like to tweak? >>

    Index points are faster in MLCD.

    << You can also look into Waveburner
    by Emagic. Its user interface is a bit like Sonic Solutions, and it can
    work with VST plugins. >>

    Is it still being made?



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  7. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << ou can also look into Waveburner
    by Emagic. Its user interface is a bit like Sonic Solutions, and it can
    work with VST plugins. >>

    How do you see it being anything like Sonic?


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  8. Chris Smalt <smalt@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

    > You can also look into Waveburner
    > by Emagic. Its user interface is a bit like Sonic Solutions, and it can
    > work with VST plugins. I don't know why it hardly gets mentioned.


    The version I looked at only supports SCSI burners, and only particular
    models, which is exactly the same problem MLCD has. Other than that,
    the only real difference seems to be the interface: Lists in MLCD, and
    graphics in Waveburner Pro.

    ulysses
  9. david

    david Guest

    In article <210820031444132224%ulysses@rollmusic.com>, Justin Ulysses
    Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:

    > You can get aPCI SCSI card for next to nothing nowadaze. Assuming your
    > G4 isn't a powerbook or ibook, and assuming you already own MLCD,
    > that's probably the cheapes way to go.



    The bitch will be authorizing the hard drive without a floppy.




    David Correia
    Celebration Sound
    Warren, Rhode Island

    CelebrationSound@aol.com
    www.CelebrationSound.com
  10. Mike Caffrey

    Mike Caffrey Guest

    In article <20030821115930.21906.00001268@mb-m07.aol.com>, egghd@aol.com
    (EggHd) wrote:

    > << Is there anyway to brun a rebook standard CD with an internal or firewire
    > drive using a Mac? >>
    >
    > I burn discs with Jam on a firewire drive and a mac.
    >
    > << Iv'e heard that Jam does not burn redbook standad CDs and Toast doesn't
    > allow you to tweak the P&Q codes. >>
    >
    > I have not heard that. I used to use Jam 2.6 and now use the Jam 5 and Toast
    > combo. Works great. I have recently sent discs to EMI, Sony, BMG and
    > Universal plants that were all accepted and released, so something must be
    > working.
    >
    >

    That makes me very happy to hear. I don't know enough about this stage of
    the process to know whether I can use Jam if people are going straight to
    a plant with the CD.

    Did your CDs go to a mastering engineer before the plant?



    www.monsterisland.com
  11. Mike Caffrey

    Mike Caffrey Guest

    In article <210820031444132224%ulysses@rollmusic.com>, Justin Ulysses
    Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:

    > You can get aPCI SCSI card for next to nothing nowadaze. Assuming your
    > G4 isn't a powerbook or ibook, and assuming you already own MLCD,
    > that's probably the cheapes way to go.
    >
    > On the other hand, I'd be surprised if a disc written by Jam isn't
    > replicator-ready. There may be some index manipulation that you can't
    > do as well as with MLCD, but that's about it.
    >
    > ulysses

    My new G4 won't start up with the my ATTO card in it. maybe I need to buy
    a new card. This was suppsed to be a chep and easy upgrade, not a five day
    battle that left me bleeding in three places with one permanent scar, and
    an hour out of session a week later. I won the war, but definitely took
    some casuaties during some of the battles. I'li never upgrade one piece of
    a ProTools system, or even digital systme again.



    www.monsterisland.com
  12. Mike Caffrey

    Mike Caffrey Guest

    In article <20030821155316.25480.00000370@mb-m15.aol.com>, egghd@aol.com
    (EggHd) wrote:

    > << There may be some index manipulation that you can't do as well as with
    > MLCD, but that's about it. >>
    >
    > MLCD is a very cool program and compared to Jam you nailed it. Of course Digi
    > doesn't support MLCD anymore.
    >
    > Also a goofy part of Jam (that I find goofy, anyway) is on the PQ sheet, you
    > can't rename the song titles like you can in MLCD. THAT sucks.
    >
    >

    Really? I haven't been able to burn with Jam and usually dont' ahve the
    time for the labels, but it seemd easier that MLCD.

    You can get additional validation disks from Digi that can be use with a
    specifc type of USB Superdrive that requires specific drivers off the web.

    Digi if you're reading this, since you're not selling it any more can you
    cut out the security portion and make it free. Comeon it will get the Digi
    band on everyon's computers.


    Btw, if you are buying a Mac for anyting. Tekserve in NYC has the most
    unbelieveble tech support. You probably don't need ot be NYC based for
    purchases or the folling support. I don't think the give support if you're
    not a customer. but boy did they got out of their way to help me get
    everything running. They're also a ProTools dealer, but I think their
    sales region has some limitations from Digi. I have no affiliation with
    them, but I will definitley buy from they without bothering to shop
    anywhere else. It's just safer. I also use the firewire drives that they
    assemble exclusively.They cot about $15 extra, btu have been for more
    reliabel than any other firewire drives I've used.



    www.monsterisland.com
  13. Mike Caffrey

    Mike Caffrey Guest

    In article <1g02bym.e2aq741hfbbusN%smalt@wanadoo.nl>, smalt@wanadoo.nl
    (Chris Smalt) wrote:

    > Mike Caffrey <mike@monsterisland.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Is there anyway to brun a rebook standard CD with an internal or firewire
    > > drive using a Mac? I can do ithe with MasterList CD and a SCSI drive but
    > > Iv'e heard that Jam does not burn redbook standad CDs and Toast doesn't
    > > allow you to tweak the P&Q codes. what can I use on a G4 running 9.2?

    >
    >
    >
    > Which PQ codes would you like to tweak? Jam and Toast both make CDs
    > that are acceptable for replication, only Toast can't create a PQ list
    > as is usually required by the plant. You can also look into Waveburner
    > by Emagic. Its user interface is a bit like Sonic Solutions, and it can
    > work with VST plugins. I don't know why it hardly gets mentioned.
    >
    >
    > Chris


    I've been doing live albums that are one solid audiofile and need PQ
    codes. They get sent for mastering, but the deadlines are tight and the
    P&Q codes have to be approved before they are sent for mastering.
    Otheriwse I'd let the masting engineer deal with it.



    www.monsterisland.com
  14. Mike Caffrey

    Mike Caffrey Guest

    In article <220820030141416082%ihate@spamo.com>, david <ihate@spamo.com> wrote:

    > In article <210820031444132224%ulysses@rollmusic.com>, Justin Ulysses
    > Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:
    >
    > > You can get aPCI SCSI card for next to nothing nowadaze. Assuming your
    > > G4 isn't a powerbook or ibook, and assuming you already own MLCD,
    > > that's probably the cheapes way to go.

    >
    >
    > The bitch will be authorizing the hard drive without a floppy.
    >

    USB Superdrive and extentions you can find in the digidesign site.



    www.monsterisland.com
  15. Mike

    Mike Guest

    egghd@aol.com (EggHd) wrote in message news:<20030821172329.28386.00000337@mb-m18.aol.com>...
    > << Which PQ codes would you like to tweak? >>
    >
    > Index points are faster in MLCD.
    >
    > << You can also look into Waveburner
    > by Emagic. Its user interface is a bit like Sonic Solutions, and it can
    > work with VST plugins. >>
    >
    > Is it still being made?
    >
    >
    >
    > ---------------------------------------
    > "I know enough to know I don't know enough"


    It is definately still being made. I think the retail sale version is
    simply called "Waveburner Pro" now.

    Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com
  16. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << Did your CDs go to a mastering engineer before the plant? >>

    No. Right from here to the plant.



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  17. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << I've been doing live albums that are one solid audiofile and need PQ
    codes. >>

    I don't know what software you are using, but you could do this with regions in
    Pro Tools and export to Jam or MLCD and I believe it will work.



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  18. Mike Caffrey <mike@monsterisland.com> wrote:

    > I've been doing live albums that are one solid audiofile and need PQ
    > codes. They get sent for mastering, but the deadlines are tight and the
    > P&Q codes have to be approved before they are sent for mastering.
    > Otheriwse I'd let the masting engineer deal with it.


    This is essentially the way I like to work. I'm not usually doing live
    work, but I like to edit an album together and really fine-tune the
    segues before I start worrying about making CDs. So i bring a single
    large file into MLCD and then add track numbers throughout that one
    item. My brief dabbling with Jam gave me the impression you couldn't
    do it with that program. Jam seems to insist that soundfiles and track
    IDs coincide, which is moronic.

    ulysses
  19. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << So i bring a single
    large file into MLCD and then add track numbers throughout that one
    item. >>

    Where do you work on the spacing?




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  20. Chris Smalt

    Chris Smalt Guest

    Ulysses wrote:

    > Jam seems to insist that soundfiles and track
    > IDs coincide, which is moronic.



    In theory you could load the same huge file as many times as there are
    to be tracks, then edit the start and stop times - you *can* do that in
    Jam, but it's not pretty.


    Chris

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