Redbook CD/Firewire Drive/Mac

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Mike Caffrey, Aug 21, 2003.

  1. EggHd <egghd@aol.com> wrote:

    > << So i bring a single
    > large file into MLCD and then add track numbers throughout that one
    > item. >>
    >
    > Where do you work on the spacing?


    SoundDesigner II. I make a region for each song, put them all in a
    playlist, then use the playlist nudge editor to get the crossfades just
    right. I'm into matching (or blending) roomtone between takes. It
    sounds so much more natural than fading to black. I hate that.
    Anyway, then I generate a new soundfile from the playlist and do
    post-production processing to that file. It starts out at 24-bit and I
    dither into 16 before I get to MLCD. So I don't rely on the
    discburning program to crunch any audio at all. I don't trust it.

    ulysses
  2. Chris Smalt <smalt@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

    > You can also look into Waveburner by Emagic. Its user interface is a bit
    > like Sonic Solutions, and it can work with VST plugins. I don't know why
    > it hardly gets mentioned.


    I like WB Pro; though as seems routine, my ability to grasp its finer
    points from the manuals is somewhat lacking. But it is a cool program
    and as I get to know it better I like it better.

    --
    hank alrich * secret mountain
    audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
    "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
  3. EggHd <egghd@aol.com> wrote:

    > << You can also look into Waveburner
    > by Emagic. Its user interface is a bit like Sonic Solutions, and it can
    > work with VST plugins. >>


    > Is it still being made?


    Yes.

    --
    hank alrich * secret mountain
    audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
    "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
  4. Justin Ulysses Morse <ulysses@rollmusic.com> wrote:

    > Chris Smalt <smalt@wanadoo.nl> wrote:


    > > You can also look into Waveburner
    > > by Emagic. Its user interface is a bit like Sonic Solutions, and it can
    > > work with VST plugins. I don't know why it hardly gets mentioned.


    > The version I looked at only supports SCSI burners, and only particular
    > models, which is exactly the same problem MLCD has. Other than that,
    > the only real difference seems to be the interface: Lists in MLCD, and
    > graphics in Waveburner Pro.


    WB Pro 2.2 supports shitloads of FW burners. I run it with the internal
    in the TiBook and with an exernal Glyph/Plextor FW burner.

    --
    hank alrich * secret mountain
    audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
    "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
  5. EggHd <egghd@aol.com> wrote:

    > << So i bring a single
    > large file into MLCD and then add track numbers throughout that one
    > item. >>


    > Where do you work on the spacing?


    In Waverburner Pro you can spec a number (i.e., amount of time) for each
    space.

    --
    hank alrich * secret mountain
    audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
    "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
  6. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << SoundDesigner II. I make a region for each song, put them all in a
    playlist, then use the playlist nudge editor to get the crossfades just
    right. >>

    Right. So you don't need Jam or MLCD to do anything other than burn the CD,
    correct?

    So you then send an audio CD to a mastering engineer? I'm a bit foggy on that
    part.




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  7. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << In Waverburner Pro you can spec a number (i.e., amount of time) for each
    space >>

    I checked out Wave Burner Pro yesterday after the thread and it seems very much
    like Peak and Spark. The editing seemed a bit goofy, but first time looking at
    something can be deceiving.



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  8. EggHd <egghd@aol.com> wrote:

    > << In Waverburner Pro you can spec a number (i.e., amount of time) for each
    > space >>


    > I checked out Wave Burner Pro yesterday after the thread and it seems very
    > much like Peak and Spark. The editing seemed a bit goofy, but first time
    > looking at something can be deceiving.


    The editing is a bit goofy, and I think they didn't intend it as a
    full-on editor. I think Emagic means for us to edit in a regular editor
    and then do some special things realting to premastering in WBP. It also
    supports the CD text thing.

    That first look comment is right on; it is not at first easy to
    understand how one really edits in WBP; I have managed some groovy
    edits, but it wasn't nearly as direct and sensible as I might like.
    Hopefully I'll grok that better as I use it more.

    --
    hank alrich * secret mountain
    audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
    "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"
  9. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << I think Emagic means for us to edit in a regular editor
    and then do some special things realting to premastering in WBP. >>

    That makes sense. Kinda like MLCD or Jam on steriods.



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  10. Mike Caffrey

    Mike Caffrey Guest

    In article <20030822121313.08111.00001507@mb-m06.aol.com>, egghd@aol.com
    (EggHd) wrote:

    > << I've been doing live albums that are one solid audiofile and need PQ
    > codes. >>
    >
    > I don't know what software you are using, but you could do this with

    regions in
    > Pro Tools and export to Jam or MLCD and I believe it will work.
    >


    The audio content prevents that in the specific cases I'm haing to deal with.



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  11. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << The audio content prevents that in the specific cases I'm haing to deal
    with. >>

    This begs for the question "what is the audio content?"



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  12. In article <20030823134938.05431.00000434@mb-m16.aol.com>, EggHd
    <egghd@aol.com> wrote:

    > << SoundDesigner II. I make a region for each song, put them all in a
    > playlist, then use the playlist nudge editor to get the crossfades just
    > right. >>
    >
    > Right. So you don't need Jam or MLCD to do anything other than burn the CD,
    > correct?


    Spezackly.

    > So you then send an audio CD to a mastering engineer? I'm a bit foggy on that
    > part.


    Often times (most of the time) I AM the mastering engineer. I tend to
    work on projects with no budget (be advised, this is bad business
    practice) and although I tell my clients they need to find a budget for
    mastering, the $100 or so they could usually scrape together would put
    the project into the hands of somebody far less qualified than myself,
    so I usually take care of a rather minimalist final polish. When I do
    use a real mastering house, I typically have brought them a single
    24-bit SDII file, though I've learned that most mastering guys would
    prefer to have individual song files to process separately. So when I
    have the budget for a mastering engineer I actually trust, I just leave
    the whole mess for them.


    ulysses
  13. LeBaron & Alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote:

    > WB Pro 2.2 supports shitloads of FW burners. I run it with the internal
    > in the TiBook and with an exernal Glyph/Plextor FW burner.


    Hey, that's awesome. I was using 2.0, and now that I look at it again
    I can't be positive it wouldn't see FW drives. I'll have to try again.
    Isn't Emagic the company that got bought up by Apple? Will they
    discontinue WB Pro?

    ulysses
  14. In article <1g04xr2.151f1ltyhbwngN%walkinay@thegrid.net>, LeBaron &
    Alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote:

    > EggHd <egghd@aol.com> wrote:
    >
    > > << So i bring a single
    > > large file into MLCD and then add track numbers throughout that one
    > > item. >>

    >
    > > Where do you work on the spacing?

    >
    > In Waverburner Pro you can spec a number (i.e., amount of time) for each
    > space.


    I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing, but I *think* WBP will
    do what I want. I want to put ONE sound file into the program, and
    tell it to have 15 different CD tracks, each with different pre-gap
    times, and the audio will continue to play during the pre-gap. No
    digital silence anywhere except the first two and last two seconds of
    the whole CD.

    ulysses
  15. EggHd <egghd@aol.com> wrote:

    > << I think Emagic means for us to edit in a regular editor
    > and then do some special things realting to premastering in WBP. >>
    >
    > That makes sense. Kinda like MLCD or Jam on steriods.


    Yeah, it seems basically to be like MLCD but with a graphical
    interface, and support for plug-ins and non-digi audio hardware and
    new, non-SCSI burners. In other words, exactly what I need to migrate
    away from these archaeic machines I'm using. But is it OSX-compatible?

    ulysses
  16. Mike Caffrey <mike@monsterisland.com> wrote:

    > In article <20030822121313.08111.00001507@mb-m06.aol.com>, egghd@aol.com
    > (EggHd) wrote:
    >
    > > << I've been doing live albums that are one solid audiofile and need PQ
    > > codes. >>
    > >
    > > I don't know what software you are using, but you could do this with

    > regions in
    > > Pro Tools and export to Jam or MLCD and I believe it will work.
    > >

    >
    > The audio content prevents that in the specific cases I'm haing to deal with.



    I think I understand what you're saying, and I think you're right about
    JAM but not about MLCD.

    ulysses
  17. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << Often times (most of the time) I AM the mastering engineer. >>

    Cool. Somehow I thought you then sent this to a mastering engineer and I was
    wondering how they could keep all the PQ in place.



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  18. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << I think I understand what you're saying, and I think you're right about
    JAM but not about MLCD. >>

    I thought both Jam and MLCD will imprt regions and set them up as tracks.



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  19. EggHd

    EggHd Guest

    << But is it OSX-compatible? >>

    I believe the newest version is. FYI Spark and Peak burn directly to disc now
    as well.



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  20. Chris Smalt

    Chris Smalt Guest

    EggHd wrote:

    > I checked out Wave Burner Pro yesterday after the thread and it seems very
    > much like Peak and Spark. The editing seemed a bit goofy, but first time
    > looking at something can be deceiving.



    Chapter 3 of the 64-page Wave Burner manual begins "The Wave Window is
    one of the most important and useful windows in Emagic Waveburner". I
    guess that's why they begin explaining it on page 35! And when you
    begin a new session in WB, the Wave Window is obscured by the other
    windows. Sigh... In response to your other post - I haven't seen a
    Sonic Solutions workstation in years, but it used to have a similar wave
    display with the crossfade graph adapting automatically as you move a
    file in time.


    Chris



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