Replacing Midi tracks

Discussion in 'comp.music.midi' started by Gary, Jun 25, 2003.

  1. Gary

    Gary Guest

    I'm rather new at midi and am considering replacing my Yamaha
    Portasound 225 with a Roland JV1010 module. I was told by a salesman
    at Sam Ash Music, "To get the best sound out of my midi files each
    patch should be replaced in cakewalk 9.0 with the Roland patches".
    How do I go about replacing them? How involved is it to do this?
    Doesn't the "better" module do this automatically, when it interprets
    the files? Is each individual track manually changed? This sounds
    very time consuming to me? I can use some guidance on this before
    purchasing.
    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
    Gary
  2. In article <cc8fc030.0306242152.58902856@posting.google.com>, Gary
    <gbanlowe@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > I'm rather new at midi and am considering replacing my Yamaha
    > Portasound 225 with a Roland JV1010 module.


    I thought a portasound was a tape recorder and the JV1010a synth.

    > I was told by a salesman
    > at Sam Ash Music, "To get the best sound out of my midi files each
    > patch should be replaced in cakewalk 9.0 with the Roland patches".
    > How do I go about replacing them? How involved is it to do this?


    From inconsequential to interminable.

    > Doesn't the "better" module do this automatically, when it interprets
    > the files?


    It depends. If you judiciously selected the patches you like best, say
    patch #47 with a hip string pad, and coded that patch change right into
    the sequence, then when you replace your synth there's every good
    reason to think that #47 on the new synth won't be the same.

    You'll have to find one you like and then modify the patch change in
    the sequence to the new number.

    > Is each individual track manually changed?


    Does each individual track have your explicitly coded patch number? If
    not, then answer is no.

    > This sounds
    > very time consuming to me? I can use some guidance on this before
    > purchasing.


    Buying a better synth will give you better sounds. Is that important.

    Do you have hundreds of tunes with thousands of patch changes that
    you'd need to modify? If so, and you don't play them that much, is not
    that big a deal to change them when you load them up.

    > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


    Also if you've been using your previous synth with General Midi patch
    numbers, then the new synth, if it has General Midi, will play
    approximately the same sounds.

    But by all means read all manuals.

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  3. JB Seattle

    JB Seattle Guest

    If you have not purchased the 1010 yet, don't--it is only 16 part and try to
    get a SC8820 or SD20 online somewhere and get not only 32 parts but 64
    insertion effects.
    Cakewalk support has lots of instrument definitions on their web site for
    almost any Roland mod. You download them and put the IDF i(usually one for
    the instruments and one for the drum) in the Cakewalk folder.
    Then you goto a blank track and click on any Banks field in any track--this
    opens the Instruments menu. Click on Define and then Import, find the IDF
    file you just put in Cakewalk and Import it. Then assign the IDF to each
    port on the left window, not fogetting to make channel 10 for the Drum IDF
    for your module.
    Then when the Instrument window calls for a Bank Select, use the pull down
    menu and select the IDF for your mod you just assigned and bingo, all the
    instruments are there to choose.
    JB
    "Gary" <gbanlowe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:cc8fc030.0306242152.58902856@posting.google.com...
    > I'm rather new at midi and am considering replacing my Yamaha
    > Portasound 225 with a Roland JV1010 module. I was told by a salesman
    > at Sam Ash Music, "To get the best sound out of my midi files each
    > patch should be replaced in cakewalk 9.0 with the Roland patches".
    > How do I go about replacing them? How involved is it to do this?
    > Doesn't the "better" module do this automatically, when it interprets
    > the files? Is each individual track manually changed? This sounds
    > very time consuming to me? I can use some guidance on this before
    > purchasing.
    > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
    > Gary
    >
  4. On 24 Jun 2003 22:52:27 -0700, gbanlowe@hotmail.com (Gary) wrote:

    >I'm rather new at midi and am considering replacing my Yamaha
    >Portasound 225 with a Roland JV1010 module. I was told by a salesman
    >at Sam Ash Music, "To get the best sound out of my midi files each
    >patch should be replaced in cakewalk 9.0 with the Roland patches".
    >How do I go about replacing them? How involved is it to do this?


    Using the instrument selector in Cakewalk, pick a new one for each
    track. It can be a lot of work, especially if you use other
    controllers to change the sounds, as they are editable.

    The PSR 225 is a General MIDI synth, 128 instrument sounds. The
    JV1010 has a lot more than that.

    >Doesn't the "better" module do this automatically, when it interprets
    >the files? Is each individual track manually changed? This sounds
    >very time consuming to me? I can use some guidance on this before
    >purchasing.


    Nope, not unless it was already programmed for your synth. The
    JV1010 is an expandable synth, meaning that files need to be
    customized for the particular expansion boards set in it.

    However, even GM standard files will play using the better sounds of
    its basic 128 GM instruments.

    As a general rule, if you want the best results with MIDI files you
    must remix them for the particular synth used. For files off the net,
    there are three basic sound standards:

    General MIDI: This is pretty universal, as far as defining the 128
    instruments. But it doesn't link to any particular sort of sound, so
    one maker's guitar or organ can sound very different from another.
    Still, it is the only universal instrumentation standard. Songs will
    rarely be mixed ideally for your particular synth, but they are
    usually good enough to work with.

    Roland GS standard: The JV1010 isn't in the primary Roland GS
    product line, but the GM sounds are the same sort, so files mixed for
    that standard should sound ok on a JV module.

    Yamaha XG standard: The PSR 225 is one of Yamaha's GM synths, so it
    doesn't have the large instrument set and effects of the XG models.
    But it should have Yamaha sounds, so files mixed for Yamaha XG models
    may sound OK.

    The JV1010 is a *real* synth, though, with loads of options to
    manipulate the sounds. Likely, you'll use one of the editor programs
    for it (it should come with one at least), and send that data to
    Cakewalk, or use it to change the MIDI file, rather than choosing
    instruments off a list of names.

    Note also that *all* of the expansion voices need to be selected
    deliberatey, and you're unlikely to find loads of files on the net
    configured for it. Some, but not as many as the big standardized
    synth lines.

    >Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
    > Gary


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  5. On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 02:01:50 GMT, "JB Seattle" <shnoozle8@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >If you have not purchased the 1010 yet, don't--it is only 16 part and try to
    >get a SC8820 or SD20 online somewhere and get not only 32 parts but 64
    >insertion effects.


    I was going to say that as well. For moving from a GM synth
    upwards, the SC8820 if you can find one (they've been discontinued,
    something I consider an unwise move on Roland's part because they are
    very popular and good) or the SD20 would give you a more convenient
    device to use. Double-plusses -- these two can be powered from USB as
    well as connected by it, freeing up your MIDI port for other things,
    such as continuing to use your Yamaha keyboard, sounds and all, along
    with your new synth.

    Plus the editors for these are a bit easier to work with than the
    1010. Note that for all of these, you really want a PC online with
    them in order to access the sounds, because the buttons on the module
    itself are a bit hard to use.

    The JV series has some great sounds, but may be harder to use,
    especially as a jump up from the PSR-225. But for the money, either
    of the two Sound Canvas series modules mentioned above offers more
    power out of the box, less messing around to get results.

    >Cakewalk support has lots of instrument definitions on their web site for
    >almost any Roland mod. You download them and put the IDF i(usually one for
    >the instruments and one for the drum) in the Cakewalk folder.
    >Then you goto a blank track and click on any Banks field in any track--this
    >opens the Instruments menu. Click on Define and then Import, find the IDF
    >file you just put in Cakewalk and Import it. Then assign the IDF to each
    >port on the left window, not fogetting to make channel 10 for the Drum IDF
    >for your module.
    >Then when the Instrument window calls for a Bank Select, use the pull down
    >menu and select the IDF for your mod you just assigned and bingo, all the
    >instruments are there to choose.
    >JB
    >"Gary" <gbanlowe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >news:cc8fc030.0306242152.58902856@posting.google.com...
    >> I'm rather new at midi and am considering replacing my Yamaha
    >> Portasound 225 with a Roland JV1010 module. I was told by a salesman
    >> at Sam Ash Music, "To get the best sound out of my midi files each
    >> patch should be replaced in cakewalk 9.0 with the Roland patches".
    >> How do I go about replacing them? How involved is it to do this?
    >> Doesn't the "better" module do this automatically, when it interprets
    >> the files? Is each individual track manually changed? This sounds
    >> very time consuming to me? I can use some guidance on this before
    >> purchasing.
    >> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
    >> Gary
    >>

    >


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