Rolling Stones list of 100 guitar gods

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by howldog, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "howldog" <howldogAINTNOSPAMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:q98skvoomgc78o7imqj14lhmoulsr85hqa@4ax.com...
    >
    > 1. Jimi Hendrix
    > 2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
    > 3 B.B. King
    > 4 Eric Clapton
    > 5 Robert Johnson
    > 6 Chuck Berry
    > 7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
    > 8 Ry Cooder
    > 9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
    > 10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
    >

    Doing good... not necessarily how I would place them, but on track at
    least.

    > 11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
    > 12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana


    SCREEEEEEEEEEEECH... CRASH!!!!

    Whoops, there it went. Now I have no idea what this list is supposed to
    be, because neither of those guys are gods of anything but their own minds.

    > 13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
    > 14 Jeff Beck
    >

    Yawn...

    > 15 Carlos Santana
    >

    Uuhhh... no. The cool thing about Santana wasn't the guitars (and note
    past tense, he's not cool anymore), it was the 4/4 rock played over a 7/8
    latin beat that was cool.

    > 16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
    > 17 Jack White of the White Stripes
    >

    Bleh. Love the Ramones, not what I would call guitar gods.

    > 18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
    >

    Hardly a top 20 player.

    > 19 Richard Thompson
    > 20 James Burton
    > 21 George Harrison
    > 22 Mike Bloomfield
    > 23 Warren Haynes
    >

    Doing good now, but these guys should probably be 10 places up.

    > 24 The Edge of U2
    >

    He only knows one lick, and needs a freakin' delay to do that!

    > 25 Freddy King
    >

    Rulez. Not blazingly fast, but one of the originals.

    > 26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave
    >

    How does he ^...

    > 27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
    > 28 Stephen Stills
    >

    Come before these two ^? In what world does that happen? Oh yeah...
    sorry, forgot where the list came from.

    > 29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
    > 30 Buddy Guy
    > 31 Dick Dale
    > 32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service
    >

    At least we're talking about people who can play guitar again...

    > 39 Brian May of Qeen
    >

    39?

    > 52 Lou Reed
    >

    heh...

    > 55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple
    >

    55?

    > 58 Dickey Betts
    >

    58?!?

    > 63 Danny Gatton
    >

    63?!?!?!

    > 70 Eddie Van Halen
    >

    70?!?!?!?!?!

    > 74 Johnny Winter
    >

    74?!?!?!?!?!?!

    > 81 Derek Trucks
    > 82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd
    >

    Now I'm totally confused. I can't think of any list where these guys are
    81 and 82, unless you're doing them from worst to best...

    > 85 Randy Rhoads
    > 86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath
    >

    85 & 86! Hah!

    > 96 Angus Young of AC/DC
    >

    Whoosh!

    Wow, I haven't seen a more inaccurate list since VH1 did the top 100
    greatest female vocalists of all time.

    ryanm
  2. strat alot

    strat alot Guest

    What the fuck kinda list is that? Where the hell is Billy Gibbons?
  3. Teddy Salad <toneguru_uk@see-sig.invalid> writes:

    > Cobain may have had cultural impact but his guitar playing had little
    >or nothing to do with that. He could have been playing the kazoo.


    Cobain was IMO a front man who happend to play guitar. He happened to be
    a front man who really *connected* with his audience, too, which meant he
    was a darn good one.

    Nothing at all is wrong with that--lots of respectable front men/women play
    guitar--but as a *guitar* player? Pah.


    > How the hell do you make a list of the top 100 guitar players and not
    >factor in playing ability?


    Beats the fuck out of me. I've not even seen the list but I hesitate to
    look.
    >> >>87 Joan Jett


    Jay
    --
    J. Verkuilen jayv@uiuc.edu
    "You spend too much time reading, Spenser. You know more stuff that don't
    make you money than anyone I know." --Lennie Seltzer (Robert B. Parker)
  4. howldog <howldogAINTNOSPAMMAGNET@yahoo.com> writes:

    >I wonder if she was the "politically correct token chick". If so, why
    >her, and not Bonnie Raitt?


    Or several other guitarists of the female persuasion who are either
    quite skilled as players (the late Emily Remler or Bonnie Raitt) and/or have
    been otherwise influential for the direction in which they've taken the
    instrument (Joni Mitchell or Ani de Franco).

    Jay







    --
    J. Verkuilen jayv@uiuc.edu
    "You spend too much time reading, Spenser. You know more stuff that don't
    make you money than anyone I know." --Lennie Seltzer (Robert B. Parker)
  5. NJD <njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> writes:

    >"Best of" lists are really quite ridiculous when applied to anything in
    >the arts. At least when speculating on the best -- oh, I don't know --
    >boxer of all time could be reasonably debated based on various stats.
    >But even then it's pretty damned silly.


    Yep, even with sports teams since you can't pit them against each other
    most matchups are hypothetical.

    I mean would the Mickey Mantle and Joe di Maggio be competitive these days?
    I don't know. Baseball's a different game than back then. (Of course they'd
    probably be good whatever era they played in. :)

    Jay
    --
    J. Verkuilen jayv@uiuc.edu
    "You spend too much time reading, Spenser. You know more stuff that don't
    make you money than anyone I know." --Lennie Seltzer (Robert B. Parker)
  6. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message

    > >I wonder if she was the "politically correct token

    chick". If so, why
    > >her, and not Bonnie Raitt?
    > >

    > ..or some other female
    > who's actually known for
    > her guitar playing? I
    > wonder why those models
    > in the Robert Palmer
    > videos were left out,
    > weren't most of them
    > holding guitars?
    > Shoot, there must be
    > teenage camp counselors
    > strumming "Kumbaya" who
    > are at least as
    > proficient as Joan
    > Jett!
    >
    > Even if it's all about
    > cultural impact,
    > shouldn't be at least
    > guitar-related cultural
    > impact?


    Where was Lita Ford? And Jewel? And the whales from Heart?
    And Jennifer Batten - never mind, she can play.
  7. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    > > >>87 Joan Jett
    >
    > You know, if that guy had boobs he'd look just like a chick.


    Only Thursday, and already I'm spending the rest of Labor Day weekend
    dead....

    Dan
  8. In fairness to RS they did say 'guitar gods' and not 'guitar players' meaning that anyone who looked cool or inspired
    kids to pick up guitars could qualify. So cobain, white stripes guy, hendrix are on equal footing in that respect.
  9. Les Cargill

    Les Cargill Guest

    howldog wrote:
    >
    > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:36:36 -0400, Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >That said, does anyone
    > >seriously see her as a
    > >guitarist? Songwriter,
    > >sure, archtypical rocker
    > >chick public image, yes,
    > >but guitar god(ess)? They
    > >can't possibly be serious!

    >
    > "and Rolling stone has always placed "kewlness" and "cultural impact"
    > and lyrics, over instrumental chops. Half this list is people that are
    > "kewl"
    >
    > sounds like, via your description, she fits Rolling Stone's apparent
    > criteria.
    >
    > I wonder if she was the "politically correct token chick". If so, why
    > her, and not Bonnie Raitt?


    Nah. She was just the chick that actually banged out some decent
    rawk toons. Besides whassername from The Pretenders, anyway.
    --
    Les Cargill
  10. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in message news:3f4e3f38@shknews01...
    > I'm bored (surprise) so I'm gonna offer my unsolicited
    > opinions on this list one by one. First, I'll assume that
    > by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a
    > major influence on music and other guitarists, NOT that the
    > person was an outstanding guitarist. That the only
    > explanation for most of the people on the list, because most
    > of them aren't outstanding and many of them are Polfus level
    > players.
    >
    >
    >
    > > 1. Jimi Hendrix

    >
    > OK. Not my pick, but I can't fault their reasoning.
    >
    > > 2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band

    >
    > Number two? Not even close.


    A lot to be said for dying young.

    > > 3 B.B. King

    >
    > OK.


    Sort of a token though. Why not Albert, or Freddie?
    I guess there's also a lot to be said for living to be old, too.

    > > 4 Eric Clapton

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 5 Robert Johnson

    >
    > This is a joke, right?


    Nah. You said it yerself, right up there:
    " First, I'll assume that by "guitar god" they are implying that the person
    was a
    major influence on music and other guitarists..."
    RJ was a huge primary or secondary influence on the guys at #1, #2, #3, #4,
    #6, #7, #8, #9, #10,...it isn't until we hit #11 that he isn't a major
    influence. And Kirk Hammet at #11 sort of makes me want to weep...

    > > 6 Chuck Berry

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 7 Stevie Ray Vaughan

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 8 Ry Cooder

    >
    > Kinda "underground" unless you're a player.


    But a player's player, you gotta admit. Been playing a lot of Ry here at the
    ranch last couple weeks.

    > > 9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 11Kirk Hammett of Metallica

    >
    > Not even close. James Hetfield wrote and played all of the
    > riffs, Hammett was a weak replacement for Dave Mustaine and
    > he's a mediocre metal player at best. Hetfield deserves the
    > recognition for the "Metallica guitar sound".
    >
    > > 12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana

    >
    > Make it stop. This turd couldn't even tune his guitar, let
    > alone play it.


    "...First, I'll assume that
    by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a major influence on
    music and other guitarists..."
    For good or bad, that's why he's there.


    > > 13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead

    >
    > The horror. I hate the Dead.


    Heh. Also in heavy rotation here at the lab this summer is a whole handful
    of Dicks Picks and sundry other live Grateful Dead. Come on by sometime,
    Odin, we'll have a gay old time...

    > > 14 Jeff Beck

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 15 Carlos Santana

    >
    > Ignoring everything he's done in the past decade...OK
    >
    > > 16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones

    >
    > Nope.


    "...First, I'll assume that
    by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a major influence on
    music and other guitarists..."

    > > 17 Jack White of the White Stripes

    >
    > I take it this guy is related to someone at Rolling Stone to
    > have made this list.


    Here is where my jaw pretty much fell off. I think I might need some medical
    attention, or at least a competent chiropractor. Can't even call this guy a
    "major influence" at this stage of the game, and...well, nope, even I can't
    figure it. And in the top 20, to boot!

    > > 18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers

    >
    > And this guy has naked pics of the editor.
    >
    > > 19 Richard Thompson

    >
    > Number 19, I don't think so.


    Sort of in the same place as Ry, I guess. Not for everyone, odd placement in
    the list, given RS demographic.

    > > 20 James Burton

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 21 George Harrison

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 22 Mike Bloomfield

    >
    > Maybe not so high on the list.


    I was thinking he should have been higher...top 10 in my personal list, fer
    shore.

    > > 23 Warren Haynes

    >
    > I love him, but I don't know about #23.


    Me either too as well also.

    > > 24 The Edge of U2

    >
    > Get the fuck outta here.


    "...First, I'll assume that
    by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a major influence on
    music and other guitarists..."
    Sometimes we all have to bite the bullet.

    > > 25 Freddy King

    >
    > OK. He's no "The Edge", but he did play guitar, right?


    Yeah, but he was no Jack White, either.

    > > 26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave

    >
    > OK, I get it, that *was* a joke. Now I'm laughing.


    Tom's pretty good. I don't dig either band, but I think, once again....
    "...First, I'll assume that
    by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a major influence on
    music and other guitarists..."
    Still, his career is youngish, and inside the top 30? Must be his
    revolutionary good looks.

    > > 27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 28 Stephen Stills

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges

    >
    > Try again


    "...First, I'll assume that
    by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a major influence on
    music and other guitarists..."


    > > 30 Buddy Guy

    >
    > Hmmm....


    Yeah. I like him, but...

    > > 31 Dick Dale

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service

    >
    > Alright, stop fucking around.


    I can't really say I've heard a lot of QMS. Gotta hold my comments on this
    one, but it is a pretty high ranking. Odd.

    > > 33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth

    >
    > I said stop fucking around, this is getting old. Get
    > serious.


    Um...
    "...First, I'll assume that
    by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a major influence on
    music and other guitarists..."
    No, doesn't really work here, I don't think. Maybe, I dunno.

    > > 35 John Fahey

    >
    > Last warning.


    Obrtain Fahey. You'll dig it.

    > > 36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's

    >
    > Thank you.
    >
    > > 37 Bo Diddley

    >
    > Pretty guitar godlike stuff he played, yessir.


    I think so. You know the saying, "...it's turtles all the way down"? Well,
    Bo is one of the REALLY big turtles holding the mess up.


    > > 38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac

    >
    > Hmmm....


    Got any early Mac? You'll love it. You'll incorporate it into your set.
    You'll thank me.

    > > 39 Brian May of Qeen

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival

    >
    > I just changed my idea of what a guitar god is.


    Good. Because he belongs.

    > > 41 Clarence White of the Byrds

    >
    > OK. And Lowell George, too.


    Well, see he got booted to make room for Jack White...

    > > 42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson

    >
    > Yawn.
    >
    > > 43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic

    >
    > Why not Eddie Haskell while we're at it?


    Obtain "Maggot Brain".

    > > 44 Scotty Moore

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 45 Frank Zappa

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 46 Les Paul

    >
    > OK


    No Django? No Chet Atkins? I wonder why they bothered with Les. Not that he
    doesn't deserve it, he certainly does.

    > > 47 T-Bone Walker

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith

    >
    > OK


    I love Joe. Local boy. Love the band. Plays with all his heart and soul,
    but...

    > > 49 John McLaughlin

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 50 Pete Townshend

    >
    > Well, I guess so.
    >
    > > 51 Paul Kossoff of Free

    >
    > Nope.


    Vibrato to die for. I'd certainly put him higher than Joe Perry, on my
    personal list. So would Joe Perry, I bet.

    > > 52 Lou Reed

    >
    > Hey, you're doing that thing again, knock it off.


    "...First, I'll assume that
    by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a major influence on
    music and other guitarists..."
    Sort of works, here...not.
    I think when they SAY Lou Reed they mean whatisisname and whatsisname...you
    know the guys I'm taking about. Oh, and also Robert Quine.

    > > 53 Mickey Baker

    >
    > Who?


    MICKEY BAKER!

    > > 54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane

    >
    > Let's focus here people, stop messing around.


    Jorma's good. Except they probably should have said "Jorma Kaukonen of Hot
    Tuna".

    > > 55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple

    >
    > OK


    OK? While Kirk Hammet is at #11? No, not ok.

    > > 56 Tom Verlaine of Television

    >
    > What the fuck is this.


    I know. They should have included Richard Lloyd, like they did with Lee
    Ranaldo, Thurston Moore back up there at #33 or whatever it was. THEN it
    might have made sense.

    > > 57 Roy Buchanan

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 58 Dickey Betts

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead

    >
    > Whoever did this should be kicked in the balls. Except this
    > list must have been made by a woman.
    >
    > > 61 Ike Turner

    >
    > Hmmm....


    Ike's a hell of a player. Horrible human being. Played on what is arguably
    THE first rock and roll song ( "Rocket 88"...I think he played piano on
    that, though). Lot's of good stuff from Ike, he wasn't just Tina's back-up
    guy. Odd to see him on this list, though.

    > > 62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band

    >
    > That's it, I give up on this list.


    You'll allow Zappa, but not Rollo?

    > > 63 Danny Gatton

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 64 Mick Ronson

    >
    > Hmmm....I don't think so.
    >
    > > 65 Hubert Sumlin

    >
    > Not really.


    !!!!!
    "...First, I'll assume that
    by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a major influence on
    music and other guitarists..."
    Sumlin is a primary influence on all them guys up there in the top 10.

    > > 66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour

    >
    > No.
    >
    > > 67 Link Wray

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape

    >
    > This list was made from drawing names from a hat, right?


    I can't figure this one, either.

    > > 69 Steve Howe of Yes

    >
    > Uh-uh.


    It's that influential thing, again.

    > > 70 Eddie Van Halen

    >
    > Yes, number 70. I mean, there's no way I would place Eddie
    > Van Halen above guitar gods like Kurt Cobain, Jack White,
    > John Frusciante, The Edge, Ron Asheton, John Cipollina, Tom
    > Morello, Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore, John Fahey, Lou Reed,
    > Mickey Baker, Tom Verlaine, Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien,
    > Zoot Horn Rollo, or Jerry Miller.......but I guess ol' Eddie
    > deserves a plce somewhere on the list. I think I issed the
    > joke somewhere.


    Yeah, I think ol' Eddie is too old to have died young, but young enough to
    not get any respect. What has he done LATELY?...not appear on the cover of
    RS, is what. Eddie belongs WAY up there, for sure, and I'm not even a fan.
    But I remember CLEARLY how he set the guitar world on it's collective ear.
    There was guitar BVH, and then AVH, and that's all there is to it. Kirk
    Hammet should write a letter to RS, and demand, at the very least, that he
    and Eddie be swapped.

    > > 71 Lightnin' Hopkins

    >
    > Hmmm...


    And no John Lee Hooker?

    > > 72 Joni Mitchell

    >
    > That's guitar goddess. Not really.
    >
    > > 73 Trey Anastasio of Phish

    >
    > Noisemaker.
    >
    > > 74 Johnny Winter

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 75 Adam Jones of Tool
    > > 76 Ali Farka Toure
    > > 77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat

    >
    > Stop, stop and stop.
    >
    > > 78 Robbie Robertson of the Band

    >
    > Hmmmm...


    He's a lot higher on my list, it's good to see him in this one. But still,
    he wouldn't make it on to MOST of these sorts of list, I don't think.

    > > 79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997)
    > > 80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids

    >
    > That settles it, this list was made by a geeky girl.


    But you're okay with Gallup, right? Hell of a player, pretty much wrote the
    book on hot rockabilly.
    Quine's great, but I can imagine he's not your cuppa meat.

    > > 81 Derek Trucks

    >
    > OK


    But NOT"... a major influence on music and other guitarists..."
    Not yet anyway. Great player, no doubt about it. Jack White has sold more
    records, though...

    > > 82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd
    > > 83 Neil Young
    > > 84 Eddie Cochran
    > > 85 Randy Rhoads
    > > 86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath

    >
    > How did these guys make this list, they were all influential
    > guitarists?


    Heh. Well, yeah, they're no Jack White(s), but then again, who is?

    > > 87 Joan Jett

    >
    > OK, I can see that sort of.


    <See Dan. See Dan's brain freeze>
    I'll bet the girls in the Go-gos or that other all girl band that I can't
    tell apart from the Go-gos inspired more pholks to play than Joan Jett.
    Shoot, why not Mellisa Etheridge, or, like, Leather Tuscedaro?
    Sorry, Joan Jett don't belong. Long may she do that thing she does,
    but....nope.

    > > 88 Dave Davies of the Kinks

    >
    > One riff a guitar god does not make.


    It's his ATTITUDE, MA-AN.

    > > 89 D. Boon of the Minutemen

    >
    > No
    >
    > > 90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper

    >
    > No


    Looked kewl, though. All them early Alice Cooper records RAWKED my world.

    > > 91 Robby Krieger of the Doors

    >
    > Get real.


    Love his stuff, but I pretty much agree.

    > > 92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5

    >
    > This is getting worse by the minute.


    I know. When are they going to get to Mark Farner, anyway? Not a lot of
    slots left...

    > > 94 Bert Jansch

    >
    > Why not Burt Reynolds?


    Obtain some Jansch. THEN let us know.

    > > 95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine

    >
    > He's certainly better than, say, Angus Young, right? Not.
    >
    > > 96 Angus Young of AC/DC

    >
    > OK
    >
    > > 97 Robert Randolph
    > > 98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer
    > > 99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag
    > > 100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden

    >
    > A fitting end to this joke of a list.
    >
    > What a fucking joke.


    Laugh with me, Odin. Laugh!

    Dan
  11. NJD

    NJD Guest

    In article <vkss5e5acce48a@corp.supernews.com>,
    ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com says...
    > "NJD" <njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.19b827bf7e80a2f2989b3c@news.optonline.net...
    > >
    > > You think Jeff Beck is a yawner? Yikes! I live in a different world.
    > >
    > > Best concert I ever saw by far.
    > >

    > He can play but his music bores me to tears. My favorite Jeff Beck album
    > is Truth, if that tells you anything.
    >
    > > He was a great player IMHO. I really love his tone and playing though
    > > he seems like a cosmic fruit loop in every other respect.


    It always comes down to personal taste. I love his stuff myself, but
    admittedly can think of other great players that just don't do it for
    me.

    --
    Nick
    http://www.cultv.com Fine arts & more
    http://www.ironia.net My last band
  12. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "howldog" <howldogAINTNOSPAMMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:8okskv8pbrblu1ifm2f5r8eut6fmj6733n@4ax.com...
    >
    > I agree. How you and Odin beat out 'Refrah Franklin will always shock
    > and confuse me.
    >

    One word... naked, toothless, tattooed, biker chicks! Wait...

    ryanm
  13. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "NJD" <njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.19b827bf7e80a2f2989b3c@news.optonline.net...
    >
    > You think Jeff Beck is a yawner? Yikes! I live in a different world.
    >
    > Best concert I ever saw by far.
    >

    He can play but his music bores me to tears. My favorite Jeff Beck album
    is Truth, if that tells you anything.

    > He was a great player IMHO. I really love his tone and playing though
    > he seems like a cosmic fruit loop in every other respect.
    >

    He can play allright, but has a tendency toward loose time 23 minute
    long space jams, which bore me to death. Don't get me wrong, I put Abraxas
    on my top 5 all time favorite albums ever, but it's not necessarily because
    of Carlos' playing abilities.

    ryanm
  14. Ed

    Ed Guest

    You ever get the idea that rolling stone is now run by a bunch of wankers
    who don't care about the music, as much as they do about the "music scene"?

    Kirk Hammett at #11?!?!?!?!

    That beeeyotch ripped off my one string noodling technique way back when
    metallica were carrying their own guitars because they didn't have a car.
    And now he's made a fortune off of it.
  15. It's not so much the obvious omissions that bother me. Heck, when I
    try to come up with my own top 20, it changes with every name I
    remember. It's really irelivent after the top 10 or so. What does
    bother me is the order of the guys here.....Eddie Van Halen at 70?
    Like him or not, he changed the guitar in a way that no one since
    Hendrix had. About the only other person I can think of that changed
    guitar that much is Charlie Christian who's single note work made the
    electric guitar a viable lead instrument in the big band days.
    My list starts like this...
    1. Hendrix
    2. EVH
    3. Charlie Christian
    4. Robert Johnson
    5. This is where the trouble starts....so many avenues to choose
    from....Chet Atkins or Merle Travis down the country road....
    Or I could take the heavy metal highway and pick George Lynch or Randy
    Rhodes. What about the rest of the classic rock guys....Duane Allman,
    Clapton, Beck, Page.....Oh yeah, they were just nicking riffs from the
    blues guys....Muddy Waters, Otis Rush, Jimmy Rogers, T Bone Walker,
    Ledbelly, Albert King, Howling Wolf, etc.....then there's jazz
    lane...Al Dimeola, John Scoffield, Grant Green,
    etc.....Heck....where's Segovia and Reinhardt? Where do they fit in?
    I've got tired head....I give up.
    later,
    m
    Wait a minute...I forgot about bluegrass...Doc Watson!
  16. Odin

    Odin Guest

    "howldog" <howldogAINTNOSPAMMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in message

    > > Wow, I haven't seen a more inaccurate list since VH1 did the top 100
    > >greatest female vocalists of all time.
    > >

    >
    >
    > I agree. How you and Odin beat out 'Refrah Franklin will always shock
    > and confuse me.


    I have better tits.
  17. JMK

    JMK Guest

    howldog <howldogAINTNOSPAMMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:79hskvghjqbq8btlc518jgkq84smet4d46@4ax.com:

    > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:41:17 GMT, NJD <njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> wrote:
    >
    >>I'm amazed that you seem to know who they all are. I've never heard of
    >>half of them. I guess I really am over the hill.

    >
    >
    > this one i dont know:
    >
    > 97 Robert Randolph
    >
    >


    He was at Jazzfest this year. The man can play.

    JMK
  18. JMK

    JMK Guest

    "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net> wrote in
    news:FMu3b.10709$v57.52@nwrdny02.gnilink.net:

    >
    >> > 56 Tom Verlaine of Television

    >>
    >> What the fuck is this.

    >
    > I know. They should have included Richard Lloyd, like they did with
    > Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore back up there at #33 or whatever it was.
    > THEN it might have made sense.


    I agree. But some of the solos on Verlaine's solo albums basically
    take Lloyd's domain of sheer melody and makes it his own. That
    said, he does do best with a partner.

    Musician Magazine's list from 1993 has both Lloyd and
    Verlaine.

    >> > 65 Hubert Sumlin

    >>
    >> Not really.

    >
    > !!!!!
    > "...First, I'll assume that
    > by "guitar god" they are implying that the person was a major
    > influence on music and other guitarists..."
    > Sumlin is a primary influence on all them guys up there in the top 10.


    One of my favorite photos has Ron Wood of the Stones looking right
    up close at Sumlin's hands as Hubert picks out another bizarre
    blues lick.

    >
    >> > 79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997)
    >> > 80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids

    >>
    >> That settles it, this list was made by a geeky girl.

    >
    > But you're okay with Gallup, right? Hell of a player, pretty much
    > wrote the book on hot rockabilly.
    > Quine's great, but I can imagine he's not your cuppa meat.


    Listen to an Matthew Sweet album (pre "Blue Sky on Mars") for
    evidence.

    >
    >> > 89 D. Boon of the Minutemen

    >>
    >> No


    No?

    >> > 95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine

    >>
    >> He's certainly better than, say, Angus Young, right? Not.


    Shields is great, actually. Not your cuppa tea, probably.

    JMK
  19. Nil

    Nil Guest

    On 28 Aug 2003, JMK <nope@nope.sorry.so.sorry> wrote in
    news:Xns93E5CA9A0AE1jkaihatubellsouthnet@216.77.188.51:

    > I agree. But some of the solos on Verlaine's solo albums basically
    > take Lloyd's domain of sheer melody and makes it his own. That
    > said, he does do best with a partner.
    >
    > Musician Magazine's list from 1993 has both Lloyd and
    > Verlaine.


    I'm a big Verlaine aficianado from long back, but I'm not as fond of
    Lloyd. I agree that they made a great team, though - Television rocked!
    (maybe still rocks?) Verlaine fully deserves to be on this list, IMO.

    > One of my favorite photos has Ron Wood of the Stones looking right
    > up close at Sumlin's hands as Hubert picks out another bizarre
    > blues lick.


    Sumlin is more a name to me than sound. The only think I know I've
    heard of his was on a Guitar Player flexidisk from a million years ago
    (I still have it here somewhere.) He sounded great there. Any
    recommendation on where I can check him out more fully? He was Howlin'
    Wolf's guitarist, right?
  20. Dan Stanley

    Dan Stanley Guest

    "Odin" <res0jmoj@verizon.net> wrote in message news:3f4e6a48$1@shknews01...
    >
    > "Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message
    >
    > > >I wonder if she was the "politically correct token

    > chick". If so, why
    > > >her, and not Bonnie Raitt?
    > > >

    > > ..or some other female
    > > who's actually known for
    > > her guitar playing? I
    > > wonder why those models
    > > in the Robert Palmer
    > > videos were left out,
    > > weren't most of them
    > > holding guitars?
    > > Shoot, there must be
    > > teenage camp counselors
    > > strumming "Kumbaya" who
    > > are at least as
    > > proficient as Joan
    > > Jett!
    > >
    > > Even if it's all about
    > > cultural impact,
    > > shouldn't be at least
    > > guitar-related cultural
    > > impact?

    >
    > Where was Lita Ford? And Jewel? And the whales from Heart?


    One of 'em CAN really play. Certainly more than Joan Jett. AND has had a
    longer career, and in the big picture, has probably been more
    influential...Heart was a big, big band.

    Howlie probably has something to contribute, here.
    Lita Ford probably has as many "hits" and as much visibility as Jett. Why
    *not* her, indeed?

    > And Jennifer Batten - never mind, she can play.


    She can. I think that's a liability for girls, actually. Grrrlz, I mean.
    Again, Howlie has more to say about this, no doubt.

    Dan

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