Rolling Stones list of 100 guitar gods

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by howldog, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:02:02 GMT, Robb Scott
    <robbscott@comcast.net.REMOVE> wrote:

    >In article <cocskvkfu1tvobmr1injvjh1c6sctgfrfc@4ax.com>,
    > howldog <howldogAINTNOSPAMMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> >No Brian Setzer?

    >>
    >> NOT KEWL ENOUGH
    >>
    >> apparently neither was Chet Atkins.

    >
    >Or Adrian Belew.



    they had these other "art noise" guys on there, like Sonic Youth....
    and those guys never once made me think, wow, thats kewl...
    belew did that constantly.
  2. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:33:15 -0500, Atlas <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM>
    wrote:

    >x-no-archive: yes
    >
    >On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:02:02 GMT, Robb Scott
    ><robbscott@comcast.net.REMOVE> wrote:
    >
    >>Or Adrian Belew.

    >
    > Or Junior Brown. (Who is WAY cool, and can play the
    >guit-steel like a mofo).



    only one southern rock player (altho they did give him the number two
    spot).. and very little of the whole country rock category, in
    general..... noo yawk snobs at work.

    you could spend all day long chastising them for their obvious
    omissions of amazing guitar players.

    a list of "musicians" from rolling stone is about as useful as tits on
    a bull.
  3. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:22:27 GMT, "Robert Barker"
    <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> wrote:

    >Or Adrian Belew.
    >> >

    >Or Junior Brown.
    > No Dimeola, either.


    > But no Johnny Smith, or Duane Eddy?



    fuck all those hack losers, WHERE IS MEL BAY?
  4. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:15:30 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net>
    wrote:



    >> Where was Lita Ford?


    retired now.


    > And Jewel?



    remade her image, lookit the cover of the new blender magazine, she
    went "Britney".


    > And the whales from Heart?
    >One of 'em CAN really play. Certainly more than Joan Jett. AND has had a
    >longer career, and in the big picture, has probably been more
    >influential...Heart was a big, big band.



    heh. they're big now in more ways than one.

    yeah, nancy wilson's omission is obvious; that gal can seriously play
    the acoustic, and inspired a lot of girls to play guitar. She was
    arguably the first girl to strap on an electric guitar and play pretty
    well in a big time, hi profile rock band format too. Bonnie Raitt
    obviously another pioneer and inspirational role model.

    Rolling Stone often ignored Heart, they hate "70s arena rock" and they
    lump them in with that cateogry. No Neil Schon because of Journey, no
    Gary Richrath, nobody from Styx, Kansas, Rush, Blue Oyster Cult, ZZ
    Top, etc

    NOT KEWL ENOUGH

    >


    >> And Jennifer Batten - never mind, she can play.



    NOT KEWL ENOUGH

    not hi profile enough

    theres quite a few ladies around that can kick out the jams brodude.
    I mean brosis. not thrombosis. I dunno. Quit stalking her, you quack
    misogenyst freak.


    >She can. I think that's a liability for girls, actually. Grrrlz, I mean.
    >Again, Howlie has more to say about this, no doubt.



    it's a tangled question. The answers are all drowned in stereotypes
    and unflattering.

    Batten once told me, many women arent really interested in learning
    advanced electric guitar skills, because their role models are all
    singers and songwriters. Battens entire audience of her own music, is
    all male.

    This doesnt really explain the Rolling Stone list however, because the
    editors clearly werent placing emphasis on sheer guitar playing
    ability. I dont really see any intentional patriarchal oppressive
    sexist descrimination. In fact there seems to be some attempts to be
    politically correct.
  5. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:27:51 GMT, JMK <nope@nope.sorry.so.sorry>
    wrote:


    >That's true, but for better or worse, more women have probably wanted to
    >take up guitar after seeing Joan Jett or Chrissie Hynde



    well, thats another point. Joan and Chrissy are seen as not only
    guitar players, but as singers, songwriters and *band leaders*.
  6. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:20:31 GMT, Peter Collin
    <pcollin@rochester.rr.com> wrote:



    >> sounds like, via your description, she fits Rolling Stone's apparent
    >> criteria.
    >>

    >Then why not put Elvis at #1 and be done with it?



    good point, ask them and see.

    Did Elvis inspire a bunch of people to play guitar? Probly. Dont know.

    I dont think "inspiring others to take up the instrument" was the full
    criteria for Rolling stones list either, altho it seems to be part of
    it.... who knows why they chose their selections.

    Maybe just to create controversy, and thru that, sales.
  7. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:23:07 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net>
    wrote:


    >Yeah, but don't you think you need to have more on your resume before you
    >get called a "guitar god", and stuck in the top 100 of any list? Let's see
    >where he is and what he's done after this brief burst of initial notoriety.
    >I wish him well, but why do I get the feeling that if this was '88 the Jeff
    >Healy would be on the list? He's a great player, still is, but....
    >



    another interesting point.

    you have to wonder what 70s rockers would be on the list, if this
    thing came out in 1979.

    Rolling Stone has always been hot for whatever new music trend they
    see developing.
  8. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:14:26 -0400, howldog
    <howldogAINTNOSPAMMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >noo yawk snobs at work.


    Begging yeh pahdon mac, but I believe that RS is a West Coast
    production.

    Texas Pete
  9. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:17:15 -0500, Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com>
    wrote:



    > You try playin' with the Howlin' Wolfman and your licks'd get
    >bizarre in a hurry. You just can't know what beat the man is gonna
    >kick in on.
    >


    theres that great old London Sessions Howlin Wolf thing, and they left
    the tape rolling, where he's trying to explain to Clapton, where the
    "kick" is on a certain song... and the poor guy is just hopelessly
    confused
  10. Jeff Gross

    Jeff Gross Guest

    Looks more like a list of 'Guitar Playing Fashion Gods" than anything else.
    Some great guitar players there, but also at least as many reasons why I
    no longer read Rolling Stone Ragazine (not a typo).
    Editors must have a cadence for content that goes something like this:
    Cover story, fashion, lifestyle, fashion, teenyboper, fashion,
    lifestyle, fashion, music, fashion, letters to the editor to make them
    look like they care, a little more fashion.
    It's not a music magazine, it's People magazine with slightly more
    musicians than actors.
    I hope it's not in true numerical order as far as who's above others -
    putting someone like Kirk Hammett before Johnny Winter is just plain stupid.

    Cheers,
    - Jeff G
    http://dirty-ernie.com


    howldog wrote:
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  11. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:10:19 -0500, Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com>
    wrote:

    >On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:14:26 -0400, howldog
    ><howldogAINTNOSPAMMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >>noo yawk snobs at work.

    >
    > Begging yeh pahdon mac, but I believe that RS is a West Coast
    >production.
    >


    man. them damn yankees is eve-whar.
  12. "howldog" <howldogAINTNOSPAMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote

    > 17 Jack White of the White Stripes


    i wasnt going to respond to this thread - but WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GUY
    DOING ON THE LIST?
  13. Les Cargill

    Les Cargill Guest

    Jdavyd Williams wrote:
    >
    > "howldog" <howldogAINTNOSPAMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote
    >
    > > 17 Jack White of the White Stripes

    >
    > i wasnt going to respond to this thread - but WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GUY
    > DOING ON THE LIST?


    He made some records that people liked. Gadda prahblum widdat?

    I personally like it when some guy with lousy technique ends
    up finding some interesting sound out of a guitar - keeps the
    thing from turning into a total Berklee-fest.

    --
    Les Cargill
  14. "Les Cargill" <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote

    > Jdavyd Williams wrote:
    > >
    > > "howldog" <howldogAINTNOSPAMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote
    > >
    > > > 17 Jack White of the White Stripes

    > >
    > > i wasnt going to respond to this thread - but WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GUY
    > > DOING ON THE LIST?

    >
    > He made some records that people liked. Gadda prahblum widdat?
    >
    > I personally like it when some guy with lousy technique ends
    > up finding some interesting sound out of a guitar - keeps the
    > thing from turning into a total Berklee-fest.


    i can agree... but i dont see or hear anything special in his guitar
    playing.

    but, to each their own.
  15. "chetatkinsdiet" <mwood5@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:c2fd0fae.0308281454.1eaba609@posting.google.com...
    > It's not so much the obvious omissions that bother me. Heck, when I
    > try to come up with my own top 20, it changes with every name I
    > remember. It's really irelivent after the top 10 or so. What does
    > bother me is the order of the guys here.....Eddie Van Halen at 70?
    > Like him or not, he changed the guitar in a way that no one since
    > Hendrix had. About the only other person I can think of that changed
    > guitar that much is Charlie Christian who's single note work made the
    > electric guitar a viable lead instrument in the big band days.
    > My list starts like this...
    > 1. Hendrix
    > 2. EVH
    > 3. Charlie Christian
    > 4. Robert Johnson
    > 5. This is where the trouble starts....so many avenues to choose
    > from....Chet Atkins or Merle Travis down the country road....
    > Or I could take the heavy metal highway and pick George Lynch or Randy
    > Rhodes. What about the rest of the classic rock guys....Duane Allman,
    > Clapton, Beck, Page.....Oh yeah, they were just nicking riffs from the
    > blues guys....Muddy Waters, Otis Rush, Jimmy Rogers, T Bone Walker,
    > Ledbelly, Albert King, Howling Wolf, etc.....then there's jazz
    > lane...Al Dimeola, John Scoffield, Grant Green,
    > etc.....Heck....where's Segovia and Reinhardt? Where do they fit in?
    > I've got tired head....I give up.
    > later,
    > m
    > Wait a minute...I forgot about bluegrass...Doc Watson!


    I second your Van Halen comment. Although not a huge fan, I thought Jeff
    Beck finished low at 14.
  16. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:59:18 -0400, "Jdavyd Williams"
    <jsw2f@virginia.edu> wrote:


    >i can agree... but i dont see or hear anything special in his guitar
    >playing.



    me neither. they were hands down, my least favorite act on Saturday
    Night Live in quite some time.

    I havent heard a great deal of things out of the white stripes, but
    what l have heard, didnt impress me at all, for any reason.

    its all subjective, you like them, groovy.......
  17. Les Cargill

    Les Cargill Guest

    Atlas wrote:
    >
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:49:59 GMT, Les Cargill
    > <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
    >
    > >He made some records that people liked. Gadda prahblum widdat?

    >
    > Yeah. So did Tupac. Does he belong on a "List of 100 Guitar
    > Gods" too?
    >


    For Rolling Stone? Sure. Why not? Rolling Stone - "We're almost
    as irrelevant as PARADE Magazine!"

    > >I personally like it when some guy with lousy technique ends
    > >up finding some interesting sound out of a guitar - keeps the
    > >thing from turning into a total Berklee-fest.

    >
    > Yeah, that's a major concern - especially since it happens so
    > often. Just yesterday in fact, I went to Spencer Gifts in the
    > mall...and in the posters section...all they had were poster after
    > poster from Vai, Morse, DiMeola, Holdsworth...
    >


    God knows they do a report on the top posters at Spencers in
    lieu of the closing stock prices on MSNBC these days.

    > And I was like "Enough already!" I'm sick of all these
    > incredibly talented, highly skilled musicians. They're everywhere -
    > like cockroaches! You can't turn on Mtv or VH-1 without getting
    > virtually pummelled with high octane chops. It's all Hit Parader,
    > Guitar Player, and Kerrang write about anymore.
    >


    No fair volunteering for a subculture and then complaining
    about being marginalized. Of course, when Poison was
    on MTV, it was all so much better... :)

    > Atlas
    >
    >
    > --
    > http://www.geocities.com/cbpdoc/DiscHerniation_Main.html



    --
    Les Cargill
  18. "howldog" <howldogAINTNOSPAMMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote

    > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:59:18 -0400, "Jdavyd Williams"
    > <jsw2f@virginia.edu> wrote:
    >
    >
    > >i can agree... but i dont see or hear anything special in his guitar
    > >playing.

    >
    >
    > me neither. they were hands down, my least favorite act on Saturday
    > Night Live in quite some time.
    >
    > I havent heard a great deal of things out of the white stripes, but
    > what l have heard, didnt impress me at all, for any reason.
    >
    > its all subjective, you like them, groovy.......
    >


    personally, i cant stand them.
  19. Panda Wallop

    Panda Wallop Guest

    "Atlas" <c1sublux@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:36:02 -0400, howldog
    > <howldogAINTNOSPAMAGNET@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > >12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana

    >
    > This one caused the list to have zero credibility.
    >
    > >17 Jack White of the White Stripes

    >
    > LOL!
    >
    > >26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave

    >
    > LOL!
    >
    > >29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges

    >
    > LOL!
    >
    > >33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth

    >
    > LOL!
    >
    > >52 Lou Reed

    >
    > LOL!
    >
    > >59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead

    >
    > LOL!
    >
    > >70 Eddie Van Halen

    >
    > #70, eh?
    >
    > >75 Adam Jones of Tool

    >
    > LOL!
    >
    > >83 Neil Young

    >
    > LOL!
    >
    > >86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath

    >
    > LOL!


    How did this LOL guy make the list 9 times?!
  20. Atlas

    Atlas Guest

    x-no-archive: yes

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:49:59 GMT, Les Cargill
    <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

    >He made some records that people liked. Gadda prahblum widdat?


    Yeah. So did Tupac. Does he belong on a "List of 100 Guitar
    Gods" too?

    >I personally like it when some guy with lousy technique ends
    >up finding some interesting sound out of a guitar - keeps the
    >thing from turning into a total Berklee-fest.


    Yeah, that's a major concern - especially since it happens so
    often. Just yesterday in fact, I went to Spencer Gifts in the
    mall...and in the posters section...all they had were poster after
    poster from Vai, Morse, DiMeola, Holdsworth...

    And I was like "Enough already!" I'm sick of all these
    incredibly talented, highly skilled musicians. They're everywhere -
    like cockroaches! You can't turn on Mtv or VH-1 without getting
    virtually pummelled with high octane chops. It's all Hit Parader,
    Guitar Player, and Kerrang write about anymore.




    Atlas


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