Rolling Stones list of 100 guitar gods

Discussion in 'rec.music.guitar' started by howldog, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. Road Warrior

    Road Warrior Guest

    "JMK" <nope@nope.sorry.so.sorry> wrote in message
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    > Two of my favorite non-shredder, supportive, non-spotlight
    > hogging guitarists were James Honeyman-Scott of the
    > Pretenders


    I have no idea how I left him off my short list!

    Jeff
  2. Road Warrior

    Road Warrior Guest

    "ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in message
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    > "Road Warrior" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    > news:bir3cl$cf5t0$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > >
    > > Whoa... Yer a singer, what do YOU know about guitar players...? Just
    > > kidding, but really I don't see anything in TM that reminds me of KT...

    > They
    > > both play guitar, but that's about it.
    > >

    > Bah, guitar players don't know nothing but wheedly-deedly. ; )


    > They both played in bands that were more about the rhythm section and
    > the vocals than the lead guitar. The result is the KT style (weird-ass and
    > decidedly un-metal chords, strange directions in solos having less to do
    > with fast chops and traditional leads and more with weird sound beds and
    > other "artful noise"), which, IMO, TM does a decent job of, but not up to
    > par with KT.


    I'll give you that. I thought you were saying TM "sounded" like a KT protégé
    is all.

    Damned singers! ;-)

    Jeff
  3. JMK <nope@nope.sorry.so.sorry> writes:

    >That's true, but for better or worse, more women have probably wanted to
    >take up guitar after seeing Joan Jett or Chrissie Hynde (who SHOULD HAVE
    >BEEN ON THIS LIST) than (maybe) Emily Remler (an excellent guitarist once
    >she got past her Wes Montgomery fixation - her death was a goddamn shame.).


    I agree about Chrissie rather than Joan Jett. Chrissie took a very unique
    approach.

    I still think Ani de Franco would have been a good choice. I suspect A LOT
    of younger women have taken up guitar because of her.

    Jay
    --
    J. Verkuilen jayv@uiuc.edu
    "You spend too much time reading, Spenser. You know more stuff that don't
    make you money than anyone I know." --Lennie Seltzer (Robert B. Parker)
  4. Nil

    Nil Guest

    "ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in
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    > *Chuck's* licks, as in his signature stuff like the intro to JBG, etc,
    > were copped from his piano player.


    I've heard this said plenty of times, but has anyone actually heard Johnnie
    Johnson playing the original licks on piano? Maybe I've just heard them too
    often on guitar, but I can't really imagine them played on piano. They
    sound very guitar-y, and they lay comfortably right under the fingers.

    The little chugging 5th-to-6th-and-back lick sounds like a piano thing, but
    I assume we're talking about the intro and break.
  5. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "Road Warrior" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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    >
    > I'll give you that. I thought you were saying TM "sounded" like a KT

    protégé
    > is all.
    >

    I think that if KT were in Rage they would've been better, but I also
    think that if TM were in Soundgarden the results would've been similar, if
    not quite as cool. But that's coming from a long-time fan of Soundgarden and
    KT.

    > Damned singers! ;-)
    >

    It'll be easier on everyone when they just finally accept that I'm
    always right. :p

    ryanm
  6. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net> wrote in message
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    >
    > Not all of 'em. Some came from T-Bone Walker.
    >

    Those would be t-bone licks. *Chuck's* licks, as in his signature stuff
    like the intro to JBG, etc, were copped from his piano player.

    ryanm
  7. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "Nil" <rednoise0@lycos.com> wrote in message
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    >
    > I've heard this said plenty of times, but has anyone actually heard

    Johnnie
    > Johnson playing the original licks on piano? Maybe I've just heard them

    too
    > often on guitar, but I can't really imagine them played on piano. They
    > sound very guitar-y, and they lay comfortably right under the fingers.
    >
    > The little chugging 5th-to-6th-and-back lick sounds like a piano thing,

    but
    > I assume we're talking about the intro and break.
    >

    I haven't personally heard JJ playing them, but I've heard them played
    (correctly) on piano, and when you hear them that way you will go
    "Ooooohhh.... so *that's* where it came from..."

    ryanm
  8. As "Robert Barker" <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> so eloquently put:
    [...]
    [] But any 'Guitar Gods' list that doesn't include Dan Hicks ain't
    [] worth the air it's written on, IMO.

    I'm guessing that Dan Hicks wouldn't care to be associated with any
    such list, but I'm happy that you mentioned him.

    Chris

    ----
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    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    -- Mark Garvin
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  9. jimmyd

    jimmyd Guest

    On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:53:23 GMT, NJD <njd@NIXSPAAMcultv.com> wrote:

    >
    >> > 15 Carlos Santana
    >> >

    >> Uuhhh... no. The cool thing about Santana wasn't the guitars (and note
    >> past tense, he's not cool anymore), it was the 4/4 rock played over a 7/8
    >> latin beat that was cool.

    >
    >He was a great player IMHO. I really love his tone and playing though
    >he seems like a cosmic fruit loop in every other respect.
    >

    Carlos was awesome...back in 1976 during the Moonflower tour. He's
    phoned them in ever since.

    Jim
  10. jimmyd

    jimmyd Guest

    On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:48:21 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net>
    wrote:

    >>
    >> > 32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service

    >>
    >> Alright, stop fucking around.

    >
    >I can't really say I've heard a lot of QMS. Gotta hold my comments on this
    >one, but it is a pretty high ranking. Odd.


    I can help you here. RS always love QMS, their from SF where RS got
    their start. I liked QMS back in the day, but realistically their a
    minor footnote in all things rock.

    Jim
  11. "Not A Speck Of Cereal" <XchrissherwoodX@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in message
    news:vgh5lv44hlad8oqfoepjlk7hmncp1march@4ax.com...
    > As "Robert Barker" <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> so eloquently put:
    > [...]
    > [] But any 'Guitar Gods' list that doesn't include Dan Hicks ain't
    > [] worth the air it's written on, IMO.
    >
    > I'm guessing that Dan Hicks wouldn't care to be associated with any
    > such list, but I'm happy that you mentioned him.
    >
    > Chris
    >
    > ----
    > "...there would have been no Holdsworth or
    > Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    > -- Mark Garvin
    > Remove X's from my email address above to reply
    > [These opinions are personal views only and only my personal views]


    Hopefully, he won't hold it against me...Heh. ;+)
  12. NJD

    NJD Guest

    In article <n8b6lvkukc3bccm78muh4jjtb918cfpaqv@4ax.com>,
    jjdolcqa@enter.net says...
    > Carlos was awesome...back in 1976 during the Moonflower tour. He's
    > phoned them in ever since.


    Certainly my favorite time for him. Love that live album.

    --
    Nick
    http://www.cultv.com Fine arts & more
    http://www.ironia.net My last band
  13. Road Warrior

    Road Warrior Guest

    "ryanm" <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote in message
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    > "Road Warrior" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    > news:bit12t$cglo6$1@ID-70176.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > >
    > > I'll give you that. I thought you were saying TM "sounded" like a KT

    > protégé
    > > is all.


    > I think that if KT were in Rage they would've been better, but I also
    > think that if TM were in Soundgarden the results would've been similar, if
    > not quite as cool. But that's coming from a long-time fan of Soundgarden

    and
    > KT.


    Well, I have "Superunknown" and "Bad Motorfinger" and KT definitely had his
    own thing going. I don't know if I could picture TM doing that thing. A lot
    of TM's stuff is more sparse.

    > > Damned singers! ;-)


    > It'll be easier on everyone when they just finally accept that I'm
    > always right. :p


    LSD? ;-)

    Actually, most singers that I know are appreciative of their guitar players,
    especially if they play some guitar themselves. I usually get along with
    singers, although you guys can get a little weird sometimes!!!

    Jeff
  14. Phil V.

    Phil V. Guest

    > 9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin

    definately a god in his own mind. Recyled the rifts that worked for him
    again and again.

    > 12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana


    Yow - good rhythm section, but what gods we prayin' to?

    > 18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers


    WTF? guy can't even play his own songs live.

    > 45 Frank Zappa


    Zappa would be amused by this.

    > 52 Lou Reed


    Good songwriter - not a guitar god.

    > 61 Ike Turner


    good percussion... *mgrin*

    > 91 Robby Krieger of the Doors


    Competent

    > 96 Angus Young of AC/DC


    Why's he down here?
    a - great performer
    b - great guitarist
    c - massive influence on cock rock, metal, punk, etc...

    > 100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden


    Ever see him live? Phew...
  15. As Pete Kerezman <petekerez@aol.com> so eloquently put:

    [] On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:41:12 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net>
    [] wrote:
    []
    [] >Boy Howdy!
    [] >http://www.creemmedia.com/
    []
    [] Worth its weight in titanium:
    []
    [] http://www.creemmedia.com/BeatGoesOn/Replacements/DrinkingWithReplacements.html
    []
    [] Texas Pete

    Hey, in the 4 frame sequence below the 2nd paragraph, 2nd frame --
    s'at Elvis in the background?


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    Hendrix without the genius of Boxcar Willie"
    -- Mark Garvin
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  16. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:40:22 GMT, "Robert Barker"
    <rwbarker@spambegonecox.net> wrote:


    > Mel *could* play, though. OK, I know, you knew
    >that. ;+)
    >


    Mel Bay probably taught more guitar players at least something, than
    all them other guys combined. If the criteria of the list was,
    "influential", I'd say Mel Bay was one of the most influential
    guitarists ever.
  17. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:47:57 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2bjcf@verizon.net>
    wrote:


    >
    >> a list of "musicians" from rolling stone is about as useful as tits on
    >> a bull.

    >
    >Your point being?



    i dont like fur covered titties.
  18. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:42:07 -0500, "Road Warrior" <me@privacy.net>
    wrote:


    >> noo yawk art snobs. velvet underground syndrome. "we're too kewl to be
    >> bothered with actually learning how to play".

    >
    >I don't know about that. Them guys know how to write a tune.



    Radiohead or Velvet Underground? I like Sweet Jane.

    Radiohead, i'm..... not as familar with, i went to kazaa and
    downloaded about ten things, just tyring to figure out if i wanted to
    buy anything by them. Didnt like anything i heard all that much. Just
    nothing impressed me at all, creative, or otherwise. Maybe I heard
    "the wrong stuff".
  19. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:19:24 -0600, "ryanm"
    <ryanm@fatchicksinpartyhats.com> wrote:


    >>

    > Bah, guitar players don't know nothing but wheedly-deedly. ; )



    interesting.

    maybe Rolling Stone should have titled the list,

    "GODS OF WHEEDLY"


    actually thats too good of a prog rock band name to waste.











    >
    > They both played in bands that were more about the rhythm section and
    >the vocals than the lead guitar. The result is the KT style (weird-ass and
    >decidedly un-metal chords, strange directions in solos having less to do
    >with fast chops and traditional leads and more with weird sound beds and
    >other "artful noise"), which, IMO, TM does a decent job of, but not up to
    >par with KT.
    >
    >ryanm
    >
  20. howldog

    howldog Guest

    On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:28:15 GMT, jimmyd <jjdolcqa@enter.net> wrote:



    >Carlos was awesome...back in 1976 during the Moonflower tour.



    I saw that tour. 77 or 78 i think.... long time ago. Carlos still in
    his sort of DevaDip with sunglasses trip. Yamaha guitar, some kinda
    sustainer pedal. Cant remember the amps. Smoking band.

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