Simple Approach to CD Labeling

Discussion in 'rec.audio.pro' started by Mike Rivers, Aug 20, 2003.

  1. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    My rant for the day:

    I don't make CDs very often, but this morning I transferred a half
    hour live program from tape to CD. First was the half-hour transfer
    time, then a little editing. No problem so far.

    Then I opened up the file in Nero and dropped markers in between songs
    so that it would "look" like a CD when played. Burned a CD. Checked
    it. One track, 12 indexes. OK, so I forgot that you have to click on
    "Split on markers" before it will separate the file into individual
    tracks. On to Take Two.

    Checked that out. OK, now there are 12 tracks, but it seems like
    there's too long of a pause between them. I look at the Nero track
    list and find that it's inserted 2 seconds between them. Took that
    out, and burned another CD. Take Two is OK.

    So I thought I'd make a neat liner for the case, and maybe even a
    label since I have the stuff. I opened up Nero's label designer and
    absolutely couldn't figure out how to use it. All I wanted to do was
    type text on to something that I could cut out to fit the CD case, and
    put a simple label on the disk.

    So I went to a program that came with my CD Stomper. It gave me a
    choice of dozens of backgrounds, none of which were "blank." So I pick
    the simplest one, and again try to put in the text. Couldn't figure
    out how to fit it in. Tried different font sizes, tried stretching and
    moving the text box, nothing seemed to make any sense.

    I finally just typed the text in Word, printed it out on a sheet of
    blank paper, and trimmed it to fit into the case. Total time from
    start to finish was about 2 hours. Admittedly much of this was
    fumbling with programs that I don't use often enough to work correctly
    the first time (or any time, obviously) but if this was a paying job
    instead of a favor for a friend, I would be at a loss to know how to
    charge for it.

    But that's not really what I want to know though I'm sure you'll
    discuss it. What I really want is a simple and straightforward CD
    label template that works like a word processor, or maybe even works
    with a word processor. It would be nice if it printed fine lines for
    cutting and folding, and let me choose fonts and sizes to make the
    text fit. That's all. No fancy stuff, no backgrounds, no logos, no
    learning curve.

    Any suggestions?



    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  2. I used MS Word and a lot of trial and error to arrive at a template that
    works.

    I just modify the one that works from there to make other ones.

    If you find a program that does what you describe, let me know.

    CT
  3. Bob Smith

    Bob Smith Guest

    Mike Rivers wrote:
    >
    > My rant for the day:
    >


    > But that's not really what I want to know though I'm sure you'll
    > discuss it. What I really want is a simple and straightforward CD
    > label template that works like a word processor, or maybe even works
    > with a word processor. It would be nice if it printed fine lines for
    > cutting and folding, and let me choose fonts and sizes to make the
    > text fit. That's all. No fancy stuff, no backgrounds, no logos, no
    > learning curve.
    >
    > Any suggestions?


    Adaptec CD Jewel Case Creator. Change "Theme" to none to get rid of the
    background crap. Has everything you asked for. U-Line makes U-cards and
    inserts that line up nicely with preset layouts. Makes easy work of
    short runs.

    bobs

    Bob Smith
    BS Studios
    we organize chaos
    http://www.bsstudios.com
  4. Jay Kadis

    Jay Kadis Guest

    In article <cthomas-A2CA99.15124920082003@teta.doit.wisc.edu> Charles Thomas
    <cthomas@REMOVE_SPAM_BLOCK.facstaff.wisc.edu> writes:
    > I used MS Word and a lot of trial and error to arrive at a template that
    > works.
    >
    > I just modify the one that works from there to make other ones.
    >
    > If you find a program that does what you describe, let me know.
    >
    > CT


    For more control, I use PageMaker. Once the templates are set up, it's very
    easy to use.

    -Jay
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  5. Brian Takei

    Brian Takei Guest

    Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com) wrote:
    > But that's not really what I want to know though I'm sure you'll
    > discuss it. What I really want is a simple and straightforward CD
    > label template that works like a word processor, or maybe even works
    > with a word processor. It would be nice if it printed fine lines for
    > cutting and folding, and let me choose fonts and sizes to make the
    > text fit. That's all. No fancy stuff, no backgrounds, no logos, no
    > learning curve.
    >
    > Any suggestions?



    For simple jewel cases, I use a Word document consisting of a table with
    three columns; the left and right columns/cells are narrow (for the
    folded-up edges), with the Text Direction/Orientation set to the
    respective vertical direction; the middle cell is for the main
    listings/notes; the row height is fixed; at will, you can format
    fonts, cut/paste, add graphics, etc.

    The perimeter is outlined for cutting. Instead of fold lines, it's
    faster to just use a commercial jewel case label as a folding template.
    Send me an email if you want the basic Word file.

    - Brian
  6. RB

    RB Guest

    Mike,

    If I recall correctly, you can download Word templates for just about
    anything from Avery (the label people). I think the templates have the
    cut/fold lines and marks too.

    Randy

    "Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
    news:znr1061398604k@trad...
    >
    > My rant for the day:
    >
    > I don't make CDs very often, but this morning I transferred a half
    > hour live program from tape to CD. First was the half-hour transfer
    > time, then a little editing. No problem so far.
    >
    > Then I opened up the file in Nero and dropped markers in between songs
    > so that it would "look" like a CD when played. Burned a CD. Checked
    > it. One track, 12 indexes. OK, so I forgot that you have to click on
    > "Split on markers" before it will separate the file into individual
    > tracks. On to Take Two.
    >
    > Checked that out. OK, now there are 12 tracks, but it seems like
    > there's too long of a pause between them. I look at the Nero track
    > list and find that it's inserted 2 seconds between them. Took that
    > out, and burned another CD. Take Two is OK.
    >
    > So I thought I'd make a neat liner for the case, and maybe even a
    > label since I have the stuff. I opened up Nero's label designer and
    > absolutely couldn't figure out how to use it. All I wanted to do was
    > type text on to something that I could cut out to fit the CD case, and
    > put a simple label on the disk.
    >
    > So I went to a program that came with my CD Stomper. It gave me a
    > choice of dozens of backgrounds, none of which were "blank." So I pick
    > the simplest one, and again try to put in the text. Couldn't figure
    > out how to fit it in. Tried different font sizes, tried stretching and
    > moving the text box, nothing seemed to make any sense.
    >
    > I finally just typed the text in Word, printed it out on a sheet of
    > blank paper, and trimmed it to fit into the case. Total time from
    > start to finish was about 2 hours. Admittedly much of this was
    > fumbling with programs that I don't use often enough to work correctly
    > the first time (or any time, obviously) but if this was a paying job
    > instead of a favor for a friend, I would be at a loss to know how to
    > charge for it.
    >
    > But that's not really what I want to know though I'm sure you'll
    > discuss it. What I really want is a simple and straightforward CD
    > label template that works like a word processor, or maybe even works
    > with a word processor. It would be nice if it printed fine lines for
    > cutting and folding, and let me choose fonts and sizes to make the
    > text fit. That's all. No fancy stuff, no backgrounds, no logos, no
    > learning curve.
    >
    > Any suggestions?
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  7. "Charles Thomas" <cthomas@REMOVE_SPAM_BLOCK.facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in
    message news:cthomas-A2CA99.15124920082003@teta.doit.wisc.edu...
    > I used MS Word and a lot of trial and error to arrive at a template that
    > works.
    >
    > I just modify the one that works from there to make other ones.
    >
    > If you find a program that does what you describe, let me know.


    Took the words right out of my mouth ...
    I have Nero, Adaptec and a utility that came with my little plastic doodad
    for applying self-adhesive labels to CDs ... and I use MSWord 'cos it's
    easier (or at least, more 'intuitive') !!
  8. Troy

    Troy Guest

    For about $80 dollars you can get a small CD printer that will print right
    on your CDs no more stickers.


    Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
    news:znr1061398604k@trad...
    >
    > My rant for the day:
    >
    > I don't make CDs very often, but this morning I transferred a half
    > hour live program from tape to CD. First was the half-hour transfer
    > time, then a little editing. No problem so far.
    >
    > Then I opened up the file in Nero and dropped markers in between songs
    > so that it would "look" like a CD when played. Burned a CD. Checked
    > it. One track, 12 indexes. OK, so I forgot that you have to click on
    > "Split on markers" before it will separate the file into individual
    > tracks. On to Take Two.
    >
    > Checked that out. OK, now there are 12 tracks, but it seems like
    > there's too long of a pause between them. I look at the Nero track
    > list and find that it's inserted 2 seconds between them. Took that
    > out, and burned another CD. Take Two is OK.
    >
    > So I thought I'd make a neat liner for the case, and maybe even a
    > label since I have the stuff. I opened up Nero's label designer and
    > absolutely couldn't figure out how to use it. All I wanted to do was
    > type text on to something that I could cut out to fit the CD case, and
    > put a simple label on the disk.
    >
    > So I went to a program that came with my CD Stomper. It gave me a
    > choice of dozens of backgrounds, none of which were "blank." So I pick
    > the simplest one, and again try to put in the text. Couldn't figure
    > out how to fit it in. Tried different font sizes, tried stretching and
    > moving the text box, nothing seemed to make any sense.
    >
    > I finally just typed the text in Word, printed it out on a sheet of
    > blank paper, and trimmed it to fit into the case. Total time from
    > start to finish was about 2 hours. Admittedly much of this was
    > fumbling with programs that I don't use often enough to work correctly
    > the first time (or any time, obviously) but if this was a paying job
    > instead of a favor for a friend, I would be at a loss to know how to
    > charge for it.
    >
    > But that's not really what I want to know though I'm sure you'll
    > discuss it. What I really want is a simple and straightforward CD
    > label template that works like a word processor, or maybe even works
    > with a word processor. It would be nice if it printed fine lines for
    > cutting and folding, and let me choose fonts and sizes to make the
    > text fit. That's all. No fancy stuff, no backgrounds, no logos, no
    > learning curve.
    >
    > Any suggestions?
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  9. Carey Carlan

    Carey Carlan Guest

    I have a word template you may use for a tray card (back cover).

    http://ccarlan.home.mindspring.com/traycard.doc

    You will have to fine tune the positioning of the text boxes for the
    program name on the edge. Each printer has a slightly different
    understanding of the page dimensions.

    For the CD insert (front cover) use your favorite drawing program or Word
    to create a document 9.5" x 4.75". Trim to size and fold in half.
  10. On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:29:41 -0700, Bob Smith <rsmith@bsstudios.com>
    wrote:

    >Adaptec CD Jewel Case Creator. Change "Theme" to none to get rid of the
    >background crap. Has everything you asked for.


    I can second that. And my old 3.5 version doesn't even
    have themes. Or maybe I just never saw one.
    Prints a scissors line around the edges. Very un-fancy.

    Chris Hornbeck
    http://www.votetoimpeach.org/
  11. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    In article <3F43DA35.2648AEBE@bsstudios.com> rsmith@bsstudios.com writes:

    > Adaptec CD Jewel Case Creator. Change "Theme" to none to get rid of the
    > background crap. Has everything you asked for.


    I had that on my old laptop, but my mew laptop has a version of Easy
    CD Creator that doesn't have the jewel case creator. I really miss it.
    I think that the version of Easy CD Creator that I had on the laptop
    came along with my iOmega USB CD-R drive (which has since died, good
    thing I don't need it any longer). I'll have to dig out the CD that
    came with it and see if the jewel case creator is a separate program
    that I can install on the current computers.



    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  12. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    In article <bi0mau$c9q$1@news.Stanford.EDU> jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU writes:

    > For more control, I use PageMaker. Once the templates are set up, it's very
    > easy to use.


    Ack! Another program that's difficult to use (and expensive to buy).


    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  13. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    In article <MPG.19ad9a1df7a51251989732@news.chi.sbcglobal.net> btakei@mindspring.com writes:

    > For simple jewel cases, I use a Word document consisting of a table with
    > three columns; the left and right columns/cells are narrow (for the
    > folded-up edges), with the Text Direction/Orientation set to the
    > respective vertical direction


    Cool idea.


    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  14. Mike Rivers

    Mike Rivers Guest

    In article <w6S0b.284880$BA.63572013@twister.columbus.rr.com> nospam@nowhere.com writes:

    > If I recall correctly, you can download Word templates for just about
    > anything from Avery (the label people). I think the templates have the
    > cut/fold lines and marks too.


    I think I might have that template. I'll have to dig through the old
    Word files that I don't know what they are any more.


    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers - (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
  15. Tommy Bowen

    Tommy Bowen Guest

    "Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote
    >
    > jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU writes:
    >
    > > For more control, I use PageMaker. Once the templates are set up, it's

    very
    > > easy to use.

    >
    > Ack! Another program that's difficult to use (and expensive to buy).


    I use Autocad. It fails everything on your wish list, too. However
    you should look into the Casio CW-50 CD printer. It does a great job of
    printing on CDs and looks like an expenvie silk screen. Software is a
    little klunky, but is WYSIWYG and more like a Word Processor than any of the
    other things you've listed. Less than $100. You need to use blank CDs,
    trying to print on a branded one comes out lousy. Email me your mailing
    address and I'll send you a sample CD to look at.

    - Tommy
  16. Bob Smith

    Bob Smith Guest

    Mike Rivers wrote:
    >
    > In article <3F43DA35.2648AEBE@bsstudios.com> rsmith@bsstudios.com writes:
    >
    > > Adaptec CD Jewel Case Creator. Change "Theme" to none to get rid of the
    > > background crap. Has everything you asked for.

    >
    > I had that on my old laptop, but my mew laptop has a version of Easy
    > CD Creator that doesn't have the jewel case creator. I really miss it.
    > I think that the version of Easy CD Creator that I had on the laptop
    > came along with my iOmega USB CD-R drive (which has since died, good
    > thing I don't need it any longer). I'll have to dig out the CD that
    > came with it and see if the jewel case creator is a separate program
    > that I can install on the current computers.


    The Easy CD creator version I have does allow the jewel case creator to
    install separately. Nice to have one machine burn CDs and another to do
    the print work.

    bobs

    Bob Smith
    BS Studios
    we organize chaos
    http://www.bsstudios.com
  17. Geoff Wood

    Geoff Wood Guest

    www.surething.com. May be more than you need, but very configurable. And
    they start out 'blank', if you want.

    geoff
  18. Troy

    Troy Guest

    This is what he is using.It comes with CD Stomper.


    Geoff Wood <geoff@paf.co.nz-nospam> wrote in message
    news:8ZX0b.12833$9f7.1511224@news02.tsnz.net...
    > www.surething.com. May be more than you need, but very configurable. And
    > they start out 'blank', if you want.
    >
    > geoff
    >
    >
  19. Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:

    > My rant for the day:
    > But that's not really what I want to know though I'm sure you'll
    > discuss it.


    I take work all the time that I don't know how to do. I don't charge
    clients for the time it takes me to learn how to do what they hired me
    to do. I consider it free education. I take the time to make sure I
    do it right, then the next time I get a similar job I'm prepared.

    > What I really want is a simple and straightforward CD
    > label template that works like a word processor, or maybe even works
    > with a word processor. It would be nice if it printed fine lines for
    > cutting and folding, and let me choose fonts and sizes to make the
    > text fit. That's all. No fancy stuff, no backgrounds, no logos, no
    > learning curve.


    I use Quark Xpress. It may be more complicated than the E-Z-Graf-Icks
    programs that come with CD stompers. But it's intelligently laid out,
    and here's the best part: I can use it for everything, which means I
    know HOW to use it. It makes no sense to use 30 different specialized
    applications for different jobs you want to do. You own and use a
    computer for a bunch of different things, it makes a whole lot of sense
    for you to own and know one good desktop publishing program, and use it
    for whatever you want to do. The first time you use it to make a CD
    label, you get out your ruler and you make the measurements and
    generate a good document. Then you save it to use as a template in the
    future. It's not hard, and since CDs and jewel cases are standardized
    it'll be useful for a long time. Now you have all the utility of the
    E-Z-Crap programs, but in a professional application that has the exact
    same interface as the program you use to design labels for your
    homebrew bottles, your X-mas cards, your studio invoices, your track
    sheets, etc because it IS the same program. It doesn't even have to be
    such a great program if you know it well.


    ulysses
  20. ryanm

    ryanm Guest

    "Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
    news:znr1061398604k@trad...
    >

    I have templates I use for Illustrator, but you would need to have
    Illustrator and know at least a little bit about it. It always prints the
    right size (unlike Word templates) and is easy to insert artwork. Let me
    know if you want it.

    ryanm

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